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Djokoic vs Alcaraz final Sunday
Joker won semi today
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The player I was pulling for lost. I think Joker is gonna have his hands full with Carlos
B. Krejčíková 6 2 6
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Djokovic vs Alcaraz is entering Djokovic vs Federer territory.
The age difference is just too much for Djokovic to overcome. And it’s not getting better.
If Djokovic is going to continue to hang around make more finals (like Federer did), his head to head vs Alcaraz is going to become lopsided. |
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Nice win by Alcaraz.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 7:46 am Post subject: |
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When he blew those three match points, one would reasonably expect that Djokovic would take advantage of that and win the set and make it somewhat competitive. But no, Alcaraz calmly takes it to a tie break and wins the match.
The torch has been passed.
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| Theres a new sheriff in town. Glad Alcaraz won. The Wimbledon crowd gets the last laugh. |
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Alcaraz ascension continues. Djokovic amazing post-surgery to play and get there to a final weeks later. I am not sure if torch got passed given the knee and that it might have been an off day, but I know it's not a great sign of the torch NOT being passed to have a knee surgery at his age to begin with and get beaten comprehensively and for the second year in a row to a 21 year old legend with still unreached potential. Sinner still number 1 with some injury issue to get over. Olympics should be interesting coming up in 13 days now on clay, play every day for one week. Really tough with knee to even medal for Djokovic maybe, unless fully fit.
Hard court season could be amazing between Alcaraz and Sinner at least. |
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| focus wrote: | Alcaraz ascension continues. Djokovic amazing post-surgery to play and get there to a final weeks later. I am not sure if torch got passed given the knee and that it might have been an off day, but I know it's not a great sign of the torch NOT being passed to have a knee surgery at his age to begin with and get beaten comprehensively and for the second year in a row to a 21 year old legend with still unreached potential. Sinner still number 1 with some injury issue to get over. Olympics should be interesting coming up in 13 days now on clay, play every day for one week. Really tough with knee to even medal for Djokovic maybe, unless fully fit.
Hard court season could be amazing between Alcaraz and Sinner at least. |
We may never see Djoker win another major. You just never know when the last one will be. We may have already seen it. I thought Alcaraz was well-priced at only -160 going into the match; Djoker had an easy draw and was a month from surgery. |
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Djokovic didn't play with any energy. He seemed disinterested. I didn't see the Joker fire. He was too calm. He didn't look slowed by the knee. In tennis 34 or 35 is the “new old”, and yet there are several players past that age. Is Novak on the downside of his career? Carlos is only 21 and maybe hasn't reached his full potential. As lakersken80 said, "There's a new sheriff in town.
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| The Olympics are only best of 3 sets so it should be easier for the men's side. |
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| Quote: | Novak Djokovic beats Carlos Alcaraz for first Olympic gold
For all of his Grand Slam championships and other titles, for all of his time at No. 1, Novak Djokovic really, really wanted an Olympic gold medal for Serbia, the last significant accomplishment missing from his glittering résumé.
He finally got one at age 37, and it doesn't matter a bit how long it took.
Djokovic beat Carlos Alcaraz 7-6 (3), 7-6 (2) in an enthralling and evenly matched men's tennis singles final at the 2024 Games on Sunday.
| Quote: | | "I put my heart, my soul, my body, my family -- my everything -- on the line to win Olympic gold," Djokovic said. "Incredible battle. Incredible fight." |
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I'm shocked and glad for him. |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | Quote: | Novak Djokovic beats Carlos Alcaraz for first Olympic gold
For all of his Grand Slam championships and other titles, for all of his time at No. 1, Novak Djokovic really, really wanted an Olympic gold medal for Serbia, the last significant accomplishment missing from his glittering résumé.
He finally got one at age 37, and it doesn't matter a bit how long it took.
Djokovic beat Carlos Alcaraz 7-6 (3), 7-6 (2) in an enthralling and evenly matched men's tennis singles final at the 2024 Games on Sunday.
| Quote: | | "I put my heart, my soul, my body, my family -- my everything -- on the line to win Olympic gold," Djokovic said. "Incredible battle. Incredible fight." |
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I'm shocked and glad for him. |
This was his last chance. The mad man did it. What a legend! |
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Also for a bit of trivia in the future: Nadal beat Novak on hardcourt to win his gold; Novak beat Nadal on clay on the path to win his gold.  |
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| His reaction to winning said it all. Whether you like the guy or don't like him, the Olympic gold medal was basically the last accomplishment on his resume that he didn't have until now. |
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| Also the sportsmanship shown by Alcaraz in this was amazing (he overturned the umpire and gave Novak first serve at 6-5 in the second). Tennis is in good hands moving forward. |
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| Pretty stunning. What an achievement. GOAT was settled years ago, but I was convinced he was almost finished, with what Sinner and Alcaraz had done, and done to him. He just had knee surgery. |
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| focus wrote: | | Pretty stunning. What an achievement. GOAT was settled years ago, but I was convinced he was almost finished, with what Sinner and Alcaraz had done, and done to him. He just had knee surgery. |
This.
I'm shocked. I thought he was done for the year after knee surgery. Amazing. |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | focus wrote: | | Pretty stunning. What an achievement. GOAT was settled years ago, but I was convinced he was almost finished, with what Sinner and Alcaraz had done, and done to him. He just had knee surgery. |
This.
I'm shocked. I thought he was done for the year after knee surgery. Amazing. |
Alcaraz should bounce back well with hard courts on the menu. |
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| focus wrote: | | LongBeachPoly wrote: | | focus wrote: | | Pretty stunning. What an achievement. GOAT was settled years ago, but I was convinced he was almost finished, with what Sinner and Alcaraz had done, and done to him. He just had knee surgery. |
This.
I'm shocked. I thought he was done for the year after knee surgery. Amazing. |
Alcaraz should bounce back well with hard courts on the menu. |
Yeah. The roles have been reversed.
Alcaraz = prime Djokovic
Djokovic = old Federer
Djokovic will steal one here and there (especially 3 sets) but Alcaraz wins the matchups most of the time. |
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| It was very good for the Djoker that it was a best of 3. I don't think he would have won a best of 5 even up 2 sets to none today. He emptied the tank in those 2 sets and it took like 2 hours and 30 mins. Huge win for him, completes the resume. He's done it all. |
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I am not the biggest Djokovic fan but you can't deny his accomplishments.
| Quote: | | The Golden Slam has only been won previously by Germany's Steffi Graf (1988), the United States' Andre Agassi (1999), Spain's Rafael Nadal (2010) and the United States' Serena Williams (2012). |
I will be shocked if Alcaraz doesn't join the club by the end of his career. |
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| snakepit wrote: | I am not the biggest Djokovic fan but you can't deny his accomplishments.
| Quote: | | The Golden Slam has only been won previously by Germany's Steffi Graf (1988), the United States' Andre Agassi (1999), Spain's Rafael Nadal (2010) and the United States' Serena Williams (2012). |
I will be shocked if Alcaraz doesn't join the club by the end of his career. |
Seems that way, but when you break it down, it wouldn’t be that shocking.
He’s 21 right now, so I’d say he has 3 great chances left to win?
| Quote: | Age 25
Age 29
Age 33
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Djokovic is age 37 right now. I don’t think you’d expect a 37 yr old to win a gold medal.
So Alcaraz has 3 realistic chances left.
Would it be shocking to see him going 0 for 3?
When you factor in injuries and future players stepping up, not to me. |
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| focus wrote: | | Pretty stunning. What an achievement. GOAT was settled years ago, but I was convinced he was almost finished, with what Sinner and Alcaraz had done, and done to him. He just had knee surgery. |
2014 Wimbledon settled for me the GOAT conversation when I saw that Djokovic was legitimately outplaying Federer (by a very small margin but still noticeable) at Wimbledon when Fed was throwing everything at him and had returned to form by recovering from the back issues of 2013 and was now playing with a bigger racket. Federer had everything back by 2014 Wimbledon and it still wasnt enough against a Djokovic who at the time was reeling from having lost several grand slams in recent times. God I rooted so hard for Fed and yet my gut told me Djokovic was the better player ever so slightly. Since that year, the only year Fed would have beaten Djokovic at Wimbledon was 2017 - the aggressive backhand return Federer of 2017 against Djokovic at near his lowest point. |
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| 1995Lakers wrote: | | focus wrote: | | Pretty stunning. What an achievement. GOAT was settled years ago, but I was convinced he was almost finished, with what Sinner and Alcaraz had done, and done to him. He just had knee surgery. |
2014 Wimbledon settled for me the GOAT conversation when I saw that Djokovic was legitimately outplaying Federer (by a very small margin but still noticeable) at Wimbledon when Fed was throwing everything at him and had returned to form by recovering from the back issues of 2013 and was now playing with a bigger racket. Federer had everything back by 2014 Wimbledon and it still wasnt enough against a Djokovic who at the time was reeling from having lost several grand slams in recent times. God I rooted so hard for Fed and yet my gut told me Djokovic was the better player ever so slightly. Since that year, the only year Fed would have beaten Djokovic at Wimbledon was 2017 - the aggressive backhand return Federer of 2017 against Djokovic at near his lowest point. |
That’s crazy if you felt that way in 2014.
Djokovic had 7 majors by that point:
| Quote: | AO - 4
FO - 0
W - 2
USO - 1 |
Also here’s the grand slam counts at that time:
| Quote: | Federer - 17
Nadal - 14
Djokovic - 7 |
To be considered the GOAT at that point? That’s a bit premature. |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | 1995Lakers wrote: | | focus wrote: | | Pretty stunning. What an achievement. GOAT was settled years ago, but I was convinced he was almost finished, with what Sinner and Alcaraz had done, and done to him. He just had knee surgery. |
2014 Wimbledon settled for me the GOAT conversation when I saw that Djokovic was legitimately outplaying Federer (by a very small margin but still noticeable) at Wimbledon when Fed was throwing everything at him and had returned to form by recovering from the back issues of 2013 and was now playing with a bigger racket. Federer had everything back by 2014 Wimbledon and it still wasnt enough against a Djokovic who at the time was reeling from having lost several grand slams in recent times. God I rooted so hard for Fed and yet my gut told me Djokovic was the better player ever so slightly. Since that year, the only year Fed would have beaten Djokovic at Wimbledon was 2017 - the aggressive backhand return Federer of 2017 against Djokovic at near his lowest point. |
That’s crazy if you felt that way in 2014.
Djokovic had 7 majors by that point:
| Quote: | AO - 4
FO - 0
W - 2
USO - 1 |
Also here’s the grand slam counts at that time:
| Quote: | Federer - 17
Nadal - 14
Djokovic - 7 |
To be considered the GOAT at that point? That’s a bit premature. |
I think its similar to how many people considered Jordan the GOAT after his three-peat beating Phoenix in 1993 even though he had only won 3 at the time whereas Magic had still won 5 and Kareem 6. You just know it in your gut who the better player is by watching them and you realize who has the fundamental advantage.
To me there are 2 consistent reasons why Federer could not beat Djokovic after 2012 but really Djokovic had surpassed Fed by 2011. 1. The tennis skill aspect: Djokovic's backhand down the line to Federer's forehand as Fed tries desperately to reach/lunge for the ball was always a problem as well as Fed's backhand holding up in a prolonged rally. But this in itself is not enough for why Fed could not beat Nole. 2. The true difference why one handed backhand and inferior player Wawinka could at times trouble and beat even prime Djokovic whereas Fed could not: Fed's lack of power to bully Djokovic and really move him around the court and control the point consistently. With just only a little (whisker) more natural power that could get Djokovic out of his comfort zone, Federer would still be considered the GOAT.
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