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PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 12:22 pm    Post subject:

Well, or we could've also just kept Brook Lopez so like
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 12:25 pm    Post subject:

tox wrote:
Well, or we could've also just kept Brook Lopez so like


Lopez isn’t close to the player that Zubac is.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 12:48 pm    Post subject:

I would gladly take either.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 3:09 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
tox wrote:
Well, or we could've also just kept Brook Lopez so like


Lopez isn’t close to the player that Zubac is.

2019-2023 Lopez is better than Zubac is now.

Could have had him for all of those years.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 5:19 pm    Post subject:

Still cannot comprehend how/why it happened

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2828534-jerry-west-clippers-brass-reportedly-laughed-at-lakers-after-ivica-zubac-trade
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:28 pm    Post subject:

ContagiousInspiration wrote:
Still cannot comprehend how/why it happened

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2828534-jerry-west-clippers-brass-reportedly-laughed-at-lakers-after-ivica-zubac-trade

They traded him for shooting which is historically how you build around bron. AD wasn’t the main guy when move was made.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:34 pm    Post subject:

AD was still bad at the end again. 3 key plays.

FredV and Green shots over him. Both were easily able to knock him off balance by going into his body.

Offensive foul at the end.

Thompson offensive rebound just ball watching it was right in front of him. I give him a pass on that since an airball usually goes to the offensive player.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 11:45 pm    Post subject:

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AD was still bad at the end again. 3 key plays.

FredV and Green shots over him. Both were easily able to knock him off balance by going into his body.

Offensive foul at the end.

Thompson offensive rebound just ball watching it was right in front of him. I give him a pass on that since an airball usually goes to the offensive player.

He was bad to start the game. He forgets he's the leader. He sets a terrible tone on both ends to start games. He should just rest these games if he doesn't have it.

For the airball, that was just bad luck. His man was Sengun, Austin was checking Holiday on the baseline. If the ball hits any part of the rim they'd likely secure the rebound. It was a great trap but that's what happens when you double.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 6:11 pm    Post subject:

AD has scored today, but so far he’s been GOD AWFUL. Defense has been trash. And he’s blown 6 easy shots.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 6:42 pm    Post subject:

He just hasn't been the same dude since that ORL choke game. Ever since then he went downhill.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 6:43 pm    Post subject:

AD was pure ass today.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 6:49 pm    Post subject:

Just a despicable effort by our superstar, best player, in both these Texas games.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 6:57 pm    Post subject:

Lakeshow23_ wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
tox wrote:
Well, or we could've also just kept Brook Lopez so like


Lopez isn’t close to the player that Zubac is.

2019-2023 Lopez is better than Zubac is now.

Could have had him for all of those years.


Or we could have had both.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 6:59 pm    Post subject:

Is he angry after the loss?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 7:03 pm    Post subject:

Sorry, but criticizing Davis is ungrateful and ignorant. There is no player in the entire NBA with a heavier workload than Davis.

Since the beginning of the season, he has had to cover all the defensive gaps of the Lebron, Reaves, Rui frontcourt and then lead the offense.

Basically he is the Hodor from Game of Thrones! Have some respect.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 7:09 pm    Post subject:

svettarsalo wrote:
Sorry, but criticizing Davis is ungrateful and ignorant. There is no player in the entire NBA with a heavier workload than Davis.

Since the beginning of the season, he has had to cover all the defensive gaps of the Lebron, Reaves, Rui frontcourt and then lead the offense.

Basically he is the Hodor from Game of Thrones! Have some respect.

He went into a shell after magic choke. This is normal. He has stretches.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 10:17 pm    Post subject:

AD is great, but when we criticize his lack of fire….i think it’s because he really doesn’t want to compete in a physical/bruising type of style. You can see that’s how he plays…tries to finesse his way into being effective and only plays physical if he absolutely has to.

That’s the difference between him and Giannis. Giannis embraces the bruising and bumping and seeks it out even. AD wants nothing to do with that if he can help it. (With his injury history, that’s probably why)
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 8:41 am    Post subject:

AD seems to have aged in dog years
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:04 am    Post subject:

AD can average 30/14 and 2 blocks across 10 games and have a 20/10 game in the 11th game and people will question his ability.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:10 am    Post subject:

I wouldn't blame AD. I get mad at him plenty and he honestly pisses me off a lot but he has to cover for everyone on defense. That starting lineup JJ has out there is a travesty on defense outside f Christie and AD.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:17 am    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
AD can average 30/14 and 2 blocks across 10 games and have a 20/10 game in the 11th game and people will question his ability.


This so true, but I don't think it is the simple fact that some days he have less less success, but that sometimes it appears he isn't all in. Maybe it is unfair to be critical of those days, but I don't remember too many of them with Magic, or even Kobe for that matter. There is always Shaq, as a possible comparison, in this regard, but then Shaq, at his best, was so much better.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:23 am    Post subject:

ribeye wrote:
MJST wrote:
AD can average 30/14 and 2 blocks across 10 games and have a 20/10 game in the 11th game and people will question his ability.


This so true, but I don't think it is the simple fact that some days he have less less success, but that sometimes it appears he isn't all in. Maybe it is unfair to be critical of those days, but I don't remember too many of them with Magic, or even Kobe for that matter. There is always Shaq, as a possible comparison, in this regard, but then Shaq, at his best, was so much better.


Contrast that to Curry going 0fer missing all his shots and scoring 2pts when nobody bats an eye. AD and LBJ aren’t the problem. They were good enough in 2020 to overcome an inadequately constructed roster…LBJ had to play full time PG for crying out loud…but despite playing well they can’t do that now.

Using the picks for a legitimate back up C and a defensive PG that isn’t a liability offensively would fix this current team. It’s as plain as day to everyone but Rob won’t…or more likely can’t…do it.
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Brawn13 wrote:
AD is great, but when we criticize his lack of fire….i think it’s because he really doesn’t want to compete in a physical/bruising type of style. You can see that’s how he plays…tries to finesse his way into being effective and only plays physical if he absolutely has to.

That’s the difference between him and Giannis. Giannis embraces the bruising and bumping and seeks it out even. AD wants nothing to do with that if he can help it. (With his injury history, that’s probably why)


I don’t think you can be a great team with AD as the best player. He’s an ISO two point jump shooter that doesn’t really get anyone else involved. Ideally he’d be a 3rd option offensive player and a guy focused on rim protecting for a championship team.

If he’s the 1st option and he really doesn’t care about being a defensive force, your team will be mediocre.

He should be Chris Bosh. Problem is the Lakers don’t have a prime Lebron or DWade to compliment him
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:32 am    Post subject:

I do not know if AD or his friends or family were directly affected by the fire but some have mentioned that possibility

Foot bothering him?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:39 am    Post subject:

TMG wrote:
I wouldn't blame AD. I get mad at him plenty and he honestly pisses me off a lot but he has to cover for everyone on defense. That starting lineup JJ has out there is a travesty on defense outside f Christie and AD.

Except now he's not covering for anything on defense and missing point blank layups and free throws, and glancing up weak jumpers and floaters. And he's also getting beat on the perimeter a lot, making switching non-viable.

Great players can play like (bleep), full stop, without caveats. The truly elite ones brush it off and come back stronger. This guy let a regular season game with Orlando derail his MVP campaign, and then shrank into his shell further.

It's true he needs help at the 5 and even help at the 4, but starting to face the reality that his game is diametrically opposed to the direction of the NBA, and he seems to be aging too fast/doesn't have enough motor for his hustle to make up for that. He's never going to be a championship #1 again and regarding the next window, I'm not even sure he's a championship #2.
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