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levon wrote: | TMG wrote: | I wouldn't blame AD. I get mad at him plenty and he honestly pisses me off a lot but he has to cover for everyone on defense. That starting lineup JJ has out there is a travesty on defense outside f Christie and AD. |
Except now he's not covering for anything on defense and missing point blank layups and free throws, and glancing up weak jumpers and floaters. And he's also getting beat on the perimeter a lot, making switching non-viable.
Great players can play like (bleep), full stop, without caveats. The truly elite ones brush it off and come back stronger. This guy let a regular season game with Orlando derail his MVP campaign, and then shrank into his shell further.
It's true he needs help at the 5 and even help at the 4, but starting to face the reality that his game is diametrically opposed to the direction of the NBA, and he seems to be aging too fast/doesn't have enough motor for his hustle to make up for that. He's never going to be a championship #1 again and regarding the next window, I'm not even sure he's a championship #2. |
I think he's a championship #2. This team just isn't good enough and we want AD to somehow magically make us good enough.
AD gets a lot of crap but Lebron at 40 is shocking to watch on defense. He has to be up there with Rui and Knecht as a liability. Cant even count how many times he gave up a wide open basket or let guys like PJ and Naji blow past him.
Exactly who is able to cover for this team deficiencies on the defensive end?
oh i know Wemby and his dhalsim arms. |
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levon Franchise Player

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TMG wrote: | levon wrote: | TMG wrote: | I wouldn't blame AD. I get mad at him plenty and he honestly pisses me off a lot but he has to cover for everyone on defense. That starting lineup JJ has out there is a travesty on defense outside f Christie and AD. |
Except now he's not covering for anything on defense and missing point blank layups and free throws, and glancing up weak jumpers and floaters. And he's also getting beat on the perimeter a lot, making switching non-viable.
Great players can play like (bleep), full stop, without caveats. The truly elite ones brush it off and come back stronger. This guy let a regular season game with Orlando derail his MVP campaign, and then shrank into his shell further.
It's true he needs help at the 5 and even help at the 4, but starting to face the reality that his game is diametrically opposed to the direction of the NBA, and he seems to be aging too fast/doesn't have enough motor for his hustle to make up for that. He's never going to be a championship #1 again and regarding the next window, I'm not even sure he's a championship #2. |
I think he's a championship #2. This team just isn't good enough and we want AD to somehow magically make us good enough.
AD gets a lot of crap but Lebron at 40 is shocking to watch on defense. He has to be up there with Rui and Knecht as a liability. Cant even count how many times he gave up a wide open basket or let guys like PJ and Naji blow past him.
Exactly who is able to cover for this team deficiencies on the defensive end?
oh i know Wemby and his dhalsim arms. |
If we need 4 defensive dynamos for AD to exert any effort in space or jog back instead of slumping on his 9th missed floater, then AD isn't the defensive player we give him credit for. His impact numbers don't bear out that he's an amazing defender, nor does his reputation around players and GMs (for years now).
I've been calling people questioning AD idiots. Now I feel like the idiot. If LeBron's shocking at 40, why is AD looking like a 45 year old out there? What's it going to take for this dude to give a (bleep) and hit his all-defense ceiling in any given game? These days he doesn't even contest with conviction unless it's going to get him a block inside. Have you seen his closeouts? And then once he gets a block or contested rebound he walks back on offense. I legitimately can't remember the last time he had a two-possession stretch where he got the stop, then scored. Those were so common in 2020. Hell, LeBron got one this season.
Defense aside, he starts the game like he's on the 2017 Warriors and he's just going to turn it on for one run in the 3rd quarter and blow the team out by 20. Except instead it's LeBron hauling ass to try to make it competitive in 3rd quarters. This guy aint it. |
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levon wrote: | TMG wrote: | levon wrote: | TMG wrote: | I wouldn't blame AD. I get mad at him plenty and he honestly pisses me off a lot but he has to cover for everyone on defense. That starting lineup JJ has out there is a travesty on defense outside f Christie and AD. |
Except now he's not covering for anything on defense and missing point blank layups and free throws, and glancing up weak jumpers and floaters. And he's also getting beat on the perimeter a lot, making switching non-viable.
Great players can play like (bleep), full stop, without caveats. The truly elite ones brush it off and come back stronger. This guy let a regular season game with Orlando derail his MVP campaign, and then shrank into his shell further.
It's true he needs help at the 5 and even help at the 4, but starting to face the reality that his game is diametrically opposed to the direction of the NBA, and he seems to be aging too fast/doesn't have enough motor for his hustle to make up for that. He's never going to be a championship #1 again and regarding the next window, I'm not even sure he's a championship #2. |
I think he's a championship #2. This team just isn't good enough and we want AD to somehow magically make us good enough.
AD gets a lot of crap but Lebron at 40 is shocking to watch on defense. He has to be up there with Rui and Knecht as a liability. Cant even count how many times he gave up a wide open basket or let guys like PJ and Naji blow past him.
Exactly who is able to cover for this team deficiencies on the defensive end?
oh i know Wemby and his dhalsim arms. |
If we need 4 defensive dynamos for AD to exert any effort in space or jog back instead of slumping on his 9th missed floater, then AD isn't the defensive player we give him credit for. His impact numbers don't bear out that he's an amazing defender, nor does his reputation around players and GMs (for years now).
I've been calling people questioning AD idiots. Now I feel like the idiot. If LeBron's shocking at 40, why is AD looking like a 45 year old out there? What's it going to take for this dude to give a (bleep) and hit his all-defense ceiling in any given game? These days he doesn't even contest with conviction unless it's going to get him a block inside. Have you seen his closeouts? And then once he gets a block or contested rebound he walks back on offense. I legitimately can't remember the last time he had a two-possession stretch where he got the stop, then scored. Those were so common in 2020. Hell, LeBron got one this season.
Defense aside, he starts the game like he's on the 2017 Warriors and he's just going to turn it on for one run in the 3rd quarter and blow the team out by 20. Except instead it's LeBron hauling ass to try to make it competitive in 3rd quarters. This guy aint it. |
Levon both of them ain't it Thats the point.
And i dont know if Lebron was hauling ass at any point in this game  |
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levon Franchise Player

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TMG wrote: | levon wrote: | TMG wrote: | levon wrote: | TMG wrote: | I wouldn't blame AD. I get mad at him plenty and he honestly pisses me off a lot but he has to cover for everyone on defense. That starting lineup JJ has out there is a travesty on defense outside f Christie and AD. |
Except now he's not covering for anything on defense and missing point blank layups and free throws, and glancing up weak jumpers and floaters. And he's also getting beat on the perimeter a lot, making switching non-viable.
Great players can play like (bleep), full stop, without caveats. The truly elite ones brush it off and come back stronger. This guy let a regular season game with Orlando derail his MVP campaign, and then shrank into his shell further.
It's true he needs help at the 5 and even help at the 4, but starting to face the reality that his game is diametrically opposed to the direction of the NBA, and he seems to be aging too fast/doesn't have enough motor for his hustle to make up for that. He's never going to be a championship #1 again and regarding the next window, I'm not even sure he's a championship #2. |
I think he's a championship #2. This team just isn't good enough and we want AD to somehow magically make us good enough.
AD gets a lot of crap but Lebron at 40 is shocking to watch on defense. He has to be up there with Rui and Knecht as a liability. Cant even count how many times he gave up a wide open basket or let guys like PJ and Naji blow past him.
Exactly who is able to cover for this team deficiencies on the defensive end?
oh i know Wemby and his dhalsim arms. |
If we need 4 defensive dynamos for AD to exert any effort in space or jog back instead of slumping on his 9th missed floater, then AD isn't the defensive player we give him credit for. His impact numbers don't bear out that he's an amazing defender, nor does his reputation around players and GMs (for years now).
I've been calling people questioning AD idiots. Now I feel like the idiot. If LeBron's shocking at 40, why is AD looking like a 45 year old out there? What's it going to take for this dude to give a (bleep) and hit his all-defense ceiling in any given game? These days he doesn't even contest with conviction unless it's going to get him a block inside. Have you seen his closeouts? And then once he gets a block or contested rebound he walks back on offense. I legitimately can't remember the last time he had a two-possession stretch where he got the stop, then scored. Those were so common in 2020. Hell, LeBron got one this season.
Defense aside, he starts the game like he's on the 2017 Warriors and he's just going to turn it on for one run in the 3rd quarter and blow the team out by 20. Except instead it's LeBron hauling ass to try to make it competitive in 3rd quarters. This guy aint it. |
Levon both of them ain't it Thats the point. |
The expectations shouldn't be the same. One of them is 31 and getting excuses about the team defense around him being porous and how is workload is so large. His ask might be large, but he's doing about 50% of it on any given night. He's no longer a 2-way player, he's a one way player who toggles back and forth between offense and defense. |
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levon Franchise Player

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Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 10:20 am Post subject: |
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TMG wrote: |
And i dont know if Lebron was hauling ass at any point in this game  |
I don't want to make this a Bron vs AD thing just because others have, but read the 3rd quarter play-by-play, when the game was still somewhat in doubt.
https://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay/_/gameId/401705070
It's LeBron assisting or scoring on everything, and doing it on drives. AD had one basket without LeBron. He's not generating offense when it matters, either for himself or others (that's another thing, what happened to AD as a passer). We talk about our offense stagnating and blame it on Bron, DLo, Austin, but we have a guy taking the bulk of the shots from 2, highly contested, and basically never kicking out to shooters. He's like the C equivalent of Demar DeRozan on O. |
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Still don't have another center to help out AD. JJ is empowering AD to be an MVP player. Like, really? You want to win regular season games by absolutely running AD into the ground? Who cares about the playoffs?
We need a (bleep) center to help lighten the load on AD and STOP using him 35 minutes a game like he's still in his 20's. _________________ Lakers used to average one championship every four years under Dr. Buss but I'd gladly take one every ten years now. |
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I think we’re just at the point where if Lebron and AD are your two best players….you’re unlikely to win a title.
AD isn’t good enough on offense to be a number 1, Lebron only when fully rested can play like a number 2 for a couple of weeks before he’s burnt out again.
Nothing to else matters unless we somehow get a player better than they are. So in other words, we’re cooked. |
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levon wrote: | TMG wrote: |
And i dont know if Lebron was hauling ass at any point in this game  |
I don't want to make this a Bron vs AD thing just because others have, but read the 3rd quarter play-by-play, when the game was still somewhat in doubt.
https://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay/_/gameId/401705070
It's LeBron assisting or scoring on everything, and doing it on drives. AD had one basket without LeBron. He's not generating offense when it matters, either for himself or others (that's another thing, what happened to AD as a passer). We talk about our offense stagnating and blame it on Bron, DLo, Austin, but we have a guy taking the bulk of the shots from 2, highly contested, and basically never kicking out to shooters. He's like the C equivalent of Demar DeRozan on O. |
I might be wrong but isn't Lebrons On/off vastly against him? There are people on Realgm posting his numbers and from the looks of it doesn't look good. Could be attributed to JJ doing weird lineups but even so just from looking at the game Lebron isn't looking good on defense. By far he's the biggest liability at times.
But that doesn't matter since the expcetations of this team isn't to contend. |
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TMG wrote: | levon wrote: | TMG wrote: |
And i dont know if Lebron was hauling ass at any point in this game  |
I don't want to make this a Bron vs AD thing just because others have, but read the 3rd quarter play-by-play, when the game was still somewhat in doubt.
https://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay/_/gameId/401705070
It's LeBron assisting or scoring on everything, and doing it on drives. AD had one basket without LeBron. He's not generating offense when it matters, either for himself or others (that's another thing, what happened to AD as a passer). We talk about our offense stagnating and blame it on Bron, DLo, Austin, but we have a guy taking the bulk of the shots from 2, highly contested, and basically never kicking out to shooters. He's like the C equivalent of Demar DeRozan on O. |
I might be wrong but isn't Lebrons On/off vastly against him? There are people on Realgm posting his numbers and from the looks of it doesn't look good. Could be attributed to JJ doing weird lineups but even so just from looking at the game Lebron isn't looking good on defense. By far he's the biggest liability at times.
But that doesn't matter since the expcetations of this team isn't to contend. |
LeBron's raw netrtg is bad, but everyone's has declined across the board, primarily on defense. We suck at switching. JJ's schemes improved after that Miami game but last night we inexplicably went back to switching 1-5, and then AD rebelled for three straight possessions resulting in 3 straight 3s, not to mention the first Klay 3. LeBron's impact metrics on defense have actually been fine, at least if you look at EPM. We'll see what RAPM says in a bit, but that's usually so noisy you have to look at it in 3 year windows. |
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TMG wrote: | levon wrote: | TMG wrote: |
And i dont know if Lebron was hauling ass at any point in this game  |
I don't want to make this a Bron vs AD thing just because others have, but read the 3rd quarter play-by-play, when the game was still somewhat in doubt.
https://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay/_/gameId/401705070
It's LeBron assisting or scoring on everything, and doing it on drives. AD had one basket without LeBron. He's not generating offense when it matters, either for himself or others (that's another thing, what happened to AD as a passer). We talk about our offense stagnating and blame it on Bron, DLo, Austin, but we have a guy taking the bulk of the shots from 2, highly contested, and basically never kicking out to shooters. He's like the C equivalent of Demar DeRozan on O. |
I might be wrong but isn't Lebrons On/off vastly against him? There are people on Realgm posting his numbers and from the looks of it doesn't look good. Could be attributed to JJ doing weird lineups but even so just from looking at the game Lebron isn't looking good on defense. By far he's the biggest liability at times.
But that doesn't matter since the expcetations of this team isn't to contend. |
Lebron playing with the second unit a ton is probably what has killed his net rating. Our second unit is awful and he’s not good enough to hold up lesser players anymore |
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Brawn13 wrote: | I think we’re just at the point where if Lebron and AD are your two best players….you’re unlikely to win a title.
AD isn’t good enough on offense to be a number 1, Lebron only when fully rested can play like a number 2 for a couple of weeks before he’s burnt out again.
Nothing to else matters unless we somehow get a player better than they are. So in other words, we’re cooked. |
Dont even need a player better than them since they're hard to find.
Getting Fox would completely change this team depending on what you give up for him. Both on offense and defense.
No way it happens though but one can dream. |
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TMG wrote: | Brawn13 wrote: | I think we’re just at the point where if Lebron and AD are your two best players….you’re unlikely to win a title.
AD isn’t good enough on offense to be a number 1, Lebron only when fully rested can play like a number 2 for a couple of weeks before he’s burnt out again.
Nothing to else matters unless we somehow get a player better than they are. So in other words, we’re cooked. |
Dont even need a player better than them since they're hard to find.
Getting Fox would completely change this team depending on what you give up for him. Both on offense and defense.
No way it happens though but one can dream. |
Hypothetically….would we be a better team if we had Kessler as our defensive anchor, and Fox/Lebron as our 1-2 punch on offense?
AD could fetch a haul and no one is trading for a 40 year old lebron. Another reason I’m open to trading AD is because by the time Lebron retires…he will be too old to build around. AD will be 33 going on 34 in his first year without Lebron (assuming Lebron retires next year)
If we wait until then to look for trades, his value will be a lot less. |
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Jimmy Butler has more fire in him then AD, plays with more fierce and doesn’t back down from any 1 check my trade proposal in the FA/Trade trade, I’m more then willing to trade AD to Miami for a Butler package |
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Brawn13 wrote: | TMG wrote: | Brawn13 wrote: | I think we’re just at the point where if Lebron and AD are your two best players….you’re unlikely to win a title.
AD isn’t good enough on offense to be a number 1, Lebron only when fully rested can play like a number 2 for a couple of weeks before he’s burnt out again.
Nothing to else matters unless we somehow get a player better than they are. So in other words, we’re cooked. |
Dont even need a player better than them since they're hard to find.
Getting Fox would completely change this team depending on what you give up for him. Both on offense and defense.
No way it happens though but one can dream. |
Hypothetically….would we be a better team if we had Kessler as our defensive anchor, and Fox/Lebron as our 1-2 punch on offense?
AD could fetch a haul and no one is trading for a 40 year old lebron. Another reason I’m open to trading AD is because by the time Lebron retires…he will be too old to build around. AD will be 33 going on 34 in his first year without Lebron (assuming Lebron retires next year)
If we wait until then to look for trades, his value will be a lot less. |
The problem ain’t AD. It is sinking ~$45m in unproductive non/low contributing players such as Rui/Vincent/Vando/JHS/Wood. Change that $45m into a legitimate (rebounding/contributor on offense or defense) back up C and a combo 2way PG using the picks then AD’s production along with LBJ puts the team on a ship path. _________________ When it’s a reasonable possibility, I expect the Lakers to go after a ship like it can’t be denied. I haven’t seen a respectable effort by the Front Office for the last two off seasons nor the last trade deadline. What is going on? |
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Hanging from Rafters wrote: | Brawn13 wrote: | TMG wrote: | Brawn13 wrote: | I think we’re just at the point where if Lebron and AD are your two best players….you’re unlikely to win a title.
AD isn’t good enough on offense to be a number 1, Lebron only when fully rested can play like a number 2 for a couple of weeks before he’s burnt out again.
Nothing to else matters unless we somehow get a player better than they are. So in other words, we’re cooked. |
Dont even need a player better than them since they're hard to find.
Getting Fox would completely change this team depending on what you give up for him. Both on offense and defense.
No way it happens though but one can dream. |
Hypothetically….would we be a better team if we had Kessler as our defensive anchor, and Fox/Lebron as our 1-2 punch on offense?
AD could fetch a haul and no one is trading for a 40 year old lebron. Another reason I’m open to trading AD is because by the time Lebron retires…he will be too old to build around. AD will be 33 going on 34 in his first year without Lebron (assuming Lebron retires next year)
If we wait until then to look for trades, his value will be a lot less. |
The problem ain’t AD. It is sinking ~$45m in unproductive non/low contributing players such as Rui/Vincent/Vando/JHS/Wood. Change that $45m into a legitimate (rebounding/contributor on offense or defense) back up C and a combo 2way PG using the picks then AD’s production along with LBJ puts the team on a ship path. |
I agree that AD is not the problem. I’d trade Lebron if we could. But trading AD might be the only way to get rid of the deadweight on this roster. |
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AD need a big that boards and blocks, 2-way wings (DFS-Max-Vando) and guards to feed him that can shoot (AR)… Bron and Rui need to BOARD and protect the paint!!! Get this dude Kessler _________________ “The main goal for the Lakers is to win a championship. All I care about, all we care about, is to raise another banner in the rafters.“ |
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We're running our offense through him (as we should).
He has similar responsibilities to Jokic and Embiid (which he should).
I think it really comes down to his shooting.
Becoming a legitimate pick and pop threat and drawing the big to close out, opens up everything else.
1/4 of his shots come between 10 ft and the 3PT line, but he's far below 40% from mid range.
And he's shooting 31.6% from 3.
He doesn't have to be KAT level. But there is room for improvement to help us win games. _________________ When the world grows. Grow with it. |
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kikanga wrote: | We're running our offense through him (as we should).
He has similar responsibilities to Jokic and Embiid (which he should).
I think it really comes down to his shooting. Becoming a legitimate pick and pop threat. He doesn't have to be KAT level. But drawing the big to close out at the 3PT line opens up everything else. |
AD doesn’t have much of a post up game tbh either. He can get some floaters to fall but not a guy you can throw the ball down low and say get a bucket. Also not a good passer with a live dribble.
A few reasons why it’s hard for him to be a 1A on a championship team. In 2020 Lebron could be a 1A on offense reliably and play great defense still.
Now that Lebron has declined, ADs flaws on offense more noticeable |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | Jimmy Butler has more fire in him then AD, plays with more fierce and doesn’t back down from any 1 check my trade proposal in the FA/Trade trade, I’m more then willing to trade AD to Miami for a Butler package |
That’s a damn lie. If AD never made an all star game. If AD chose to average 17 because he doesn’t care to look to score to the playoffs. And if AD chose to sit out a lot of games would be killed. AD has more all stars, more games played, more points, more defensive selections, more everything than Jimmy and his heart. Let’s not use hyperbole, Jimmy doesn’t give a f all regular season and hasn’t and AD would get killed for games if he didn’t score 20. Even if he had 15 rebounds, 5 blocks, steals, deflections, and guarded the rim or chased the perimeter he would be killed and called inconsistent for not scoring 20. He would also get killed and called steeet clothes when he’s logged more games than Embid, George, Ja, Steph, KD, Kyrie, Book, Dame, Zion, Ingram, Jimmy all have since he’s been a laker.
Ain’t no way in hell you accept Jimmy being Jimmy |
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Brawn13 wrote: | kikanga wrote: | We're running our offense through him (as we should).
He has similar responsibilities to Jokic and Embiid (which he should).
I think it really comes down to his shooting. Becoming a legitimate pick and pop threat. He doesn't have to be KAT level. But drawing the big to close out at the 3PT line opens up everything else. |
AD doesn’t have much of a post up game tbh either. He can get some floaters to fall but not a guy you can throw the ball down low and say get a bucket. Also not a good passer with a live dribble.
A few reasons why it’s hard for him to be a 1A on a championship team. In 2020 Lebron could be a 1A on offense reliably and play great defense still.
Now that Lebron has declined, ADs flaws on offense more noticeable |
AD also doesn’t have similar responsibilities as Joker and Embid. He doesn’t. He started the year with similar responsibilities of just look to score and he was 30+ leading the league and double digit rebounds. Then people wanted defensive ad to cover for everyone which Gianni’s, Joker, and Embiid are never asked to do … then they (bleep) when he knocked the 30 points games out to play and cover for everyone on defense. There’s no big in the league with the same offense and defense load as him because no big is expected to do both.
Guys like Bam can score 9 and be loved for his defense.
Joker can give up a layup line and be loved for offense
If AD locks in either way like every other big he gets killed, and even when he offers balance he still gets killed for something as he was the only front court player to make all nba and all defense |
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MJST wrote: | AD can average 30/14 and 2 blocks across 10 games and have a 20/10 game in the 11th game and people will question his ability. |
This. I'm not excusing his recent play but these are definitely knee jerk reactions. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points." |
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Kblo247! wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | Jimmy Butler has more fire in him then AD, plays with more fierce and doesn’t back down from any 1 check my trade proposal in the FA/Trade trade, I’m more then willing to trade AD to Miami for a Butler package |
That’s a damn lie. If AD never made an all star game. If AD chose to average 17 because he doesn’t care to look to score to the playoffs. And if AD chose to sit out a lot of games would be killed. AD has more all stars, more games played, more points, more defensive selections, more everything than Jimmy and his heart. Let’s not use hyperbole, Jimmy doesn’t give a f all regular season and hasn’t and AD would get killed for games if he didn’t score 20. Even if he had 15 rebounds, 5 blocks, steals, deflections, and guarded the rim or chased the perimeter he would be killed and called inconsistent for not scoring 20. He would also get killed and called steeet clothes when he’s logged more games than Embid, George, Ja, Steph, KD, Kyrie, Book, Dame, Zion, Ingram, Jimmy all have since he’s been a laker.
Ain’t no way in hell you accept Jimmy being Jimmy |
^^^ This! Cosign 👍  _________________ When it’s a reasonable possibility, I expect the Lakers to go after a ship like it can’t be denied. I haven’t seen a respectable effort by the Front Office for the last two off seasons nor the last trade deadline. What is going on? |
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Kblo247! Star Player

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manlisten wrote: | MJST wrote: | AD can average 30/14 and 2 blocks across 10 games and have a 20/10 game in the 11th game and people will question his ability. |
This. I'm not excusing his recent play but these are definitely knee jerk reactions. |
ADs current month (3 games) is literally 23 points, 15 Reb, 3 ast, 3 blk, 1 stil at 37 mins per night. |
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Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Brawn13 wrote: | I think we’re just at the point where if Lebron and AD are your two best players….you’re unlikely to win a title.
AD isn’t good enough on offense to be a number 1, Lebron only when fully rested can play like a number 2 for a couple of weeks before he’s burnt out again.
Nothing to else matters unless we somehow get a player better than they are. So in other words, we’re cooked. |
tbh this is where I'm at with it as well
As great as Bron is and what he is doing from a historical POV, I also can't wait til he hangs it up and we can flip a new page as a franchise |
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miggz23 Star Player

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Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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AD's salary next 4 years... Next year his salary jumps $14.4M. Will be one year older.
2024: $43,219,440
2025: $57,604,894
2026: $62,213,285
2027: $66,821,676 |
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