I have Tue, Feb 25 marked on my calendar. AD and Luka will face off at Crypto. Tickets as low as $243. What does that say about interest in the game?
The last game I attended was the Warriors when Adonal Foyle was the center.
Is that a normal price for a game?
Lakers-Knicks was $500 for 200 level floor _________________ “The main goal for the Lakers is to win a championship. All I care about, all we care about, is to raise another banner in the rafters.“
Total opposite of the way Luka looked on his introduction...
Face lit up when asked about him now playing at the 4...
I dont think he'll be able to play the 4 if he doesn't hit threes at a decent clip.
having two bigs who lack outside shooting doesn't fit the modern nba.
One of the reasons as to why AD worked so well when we won the title was because he shot an absurd percentage from middys and damn near 40% from three.
He's capable but he needs to want to shoot them as well.
To me this has always been nonsense, but time will reveal the answer. If Dallas is healthy, I expect them to be a top 3 team in the west.
Looking at the current standings, the Mavs would have to go 26-5 to finish with 52 wins. If they can win at that clip for the rest of the season they are a legit contender, that’s 83% winning percentage.
If this were to occur and the Laks tick it up just a bit, they both finish with 52 wins and could face each other as the 4 and 5 seeds. I wonder if the NBA or the rest of the world would like that.... _________________ Hey Doge, ever hear of “measure twice, cut once?” It is not cut first and measure later.
Total opposite of the way Luka looked on his introduction...
Face lit up when asked about him now playing at the 4...
I dont think he'll be able to play the 4 if he doesn't hit threes at a decent clip.
having two bigs who lack outside shooting doesn't fit the modern nba.
One of the reasons as to why AD worked so well when we won the title was because he shot an absurd percentage from middys and damn near 40% from three.
He's capable but he needs to want to shoot them as well.
To me this has always been nonsense, but time will reveal the answer. If Dallas is healthy, I expect them to be a top 3 team in the west.
Looking at the current standings, the Mavs would have to go 26-5 to finish with 52 wins. If they can win at that clip for the rest of the season they are a legit contender, that’s 83% winning percentage.
That's not what I meant. I mean from the moment AD and Irving starting player together, they should win at a top 3 percentage. Between .600 and .700 ball is my guess.
Don't get me wrong, I'm OK with these trades, but you gotta feel for the big guy. _________________ Hey Doge, ever hear of “measure twice, cut once?” It is not cut first and measure later.
Don't get me wrong, I'm OK with these trades, but you gotta feel for the big guy.
I think one of the issues is that the team never viewed AD as the franchise guy. They viewed Lebron as that guy and then view Luka as that.
This is a franchise that tends to view bigs as the stars who are instrumental but not the one you build around - that’s the guard. We even traded Shaq. We traded away Pau but got veto. We traded away all star Bynum for prime Dwight only to build a team around Kobe/Nash with MDA when Dwight wanted a team built around him.
So we view Luka as that guy and history says that they’ll be proven right. Magic won. Kobe won. Lebron won and probably Luka will win as the man.
Don’t think they ever viewed AD as the one just an elite player who helped Lebron (the one) win.
The final thing I’ll say on this with AD they didn’t have faith they could use picks beyond 2027. So trading for a quality big, using 2029/2031 FRPs was never an option. AD would have been 36 in 2029 and 38 in 2031. No way you can anticipate him being your franchise guy that long so those picks were never in play for helping AD.
Now with Luka they feel they can use those pieces in 2029/31. I honestly understand their reasoning I just wish we had Luka signed longer than 2026.
That's not what I meant. I mean from the moment AD and Irving starting player together, they should win at a top 3 percentage. Between .600 and .700 ball is my guess.
The flaw in that thinking is Kyrie.
Whenever he's been positioned as the Alpha, he's had Beta impact.
AD will do his part - if it was AD with Luka, Dallas would be unstoppable. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
Impressed by how AD seems to be taking this all in stride. Not even just acting like a professional but genuinely comes across as unbothered by everything and ready to hoop. Salute. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
Don't get me wrong, I'm OK with these trades, but you gotta feel for the big guy.
I think one of the issues is that the team never viewed AD as the franchise guy. They viewed Lebron as that guy and then view Luka as that.
This is a franchise that tends to view bigs as the stars who are instrumental but not the one you build around - that’s the guard. We even traded Shaq. We traded away Pau but got veto. We traded away all star Bynum for prime Dwight only to build a team around Kobe/Nash with MDA when Dwight wanted a team built around him.
So we view Luka as that guy and history says that they’ll be proven right. Magic won. Kobe won. Lebron won and probably Luka will win as the man.
Don’t think they ever viewed AD as the one just an elite player who helped Lebron (the one) win.
The final thing I’ll say on this with AD they didn’t have faith they could use picks beyond 2027. So trading for a quality big, using 2029/2031 FRPs was never an option. AD would have been 36 in 2029 and 38 in 2031. No way you can anticipate him being your franchise guy that long so those picks were never in play for helping AD.
Now with Luka they feel they can use those pieces in 2029/31. I honestly understand their reasoning I just wish we had Luka signed longer than 2026.
Kobe and Lebron could play both sides of the ball. Luka cant there's a difference lol
Is there a reason why AD didn't have a no trade clause on his contract....?
Maybe trusting this dude when he said this…
Quote:
“When Anthony and I first started talking about the roster, he did say, ‘I’d love to have some fives that can bang with some length,” said the GM. “He’s 26. We want a decade of dominance out of him here, so we have to do what’s best for his body and having him bang against the biggest centers in the West every night is not what’s best for his body, or the team or the franchise.
That was his first mistake.
In 2023 when he inked his max extension, he had already been a Laker for a minimum of 4 years and was already an 8+yr seasoned veteran, which are the minimum qualifiers for having a NTC included in a deal. However the nature of the contract was that it was an extension that was supposed to add 4 more years of new money to his current deal at the time that had him waive his ETO (early termination option). As a result, you can’t negotiate a NTC into that extension. He could have played out the 2023-24 season and then exercise the ETO on the 2024-25 season. Doing that, he would have gotten a new deal that demonstrated 35% max money for this current season and in doing so could have negotiated a NTC into such a deal since it wouldn’t be classified as an extension.
That was his second mistake.
But he continuously took less money & assets from the Lakers (as seen above by not having a max deal kick in this season where he could have made 49.2m instead of the 42.3m he is currently on…and by waiving the trade kicker that brought him to LA in the first place that would have taken more assets (like Kuz’s deal) to cover in salary matching so that we could still trade for him and maintain a near max slot for a kawhite free agency nonetheless.
Speaking of waiving trade kickers, he did it once again in the Luka trade, where he could have made nearly 7m more this year and Jeanie’s/ownership’s expense nonetheless and really muddled up the salary matching element once again…so I guess that makes it his third mistake and now he’s out.
But that’s AD…playing good soldier and hoping his asks get met…and they never did.
And while we’re on AD’s max extension that kicks in next year, I do find it peculiar that Nico wanted to avoid a tumultuous summer with Luka’s supermax eligibility kicking in, yet traded for AD whose 35% max extension number kicks in a year before Luka’s would at the same 35% (aka supermax) number.
Things that make you go hmmm 🤔
Man you can never trust this guys, and fans always questions players loyalties. They want players to go back to the old ways. But why, when you have snakes making deals like that.
I always thought AD would have to ask out just to be traded... Rob pretty much showed his true colors. It sucks the majority is only seeing this on Luka's side, when AD pretty much got the same treatment. Fans are under mining it because AD is the lesser of the 2 players. I was already iffy with Rob before all this went down.
Im not sold on Luka to be honest. Kobe and Lebron played both sides of the ball Luka cannot. I cant put a player in that elite category when you have to protect him defensively lol
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 7:58 pm Post subject:
Itsowheeze wrote:
miggz23 wrote:
vasashi17+ wrote:
miggz23 wrote:
Is there a reason why AD didn't have a no trade clause on his contract....?
Maybe trusting this dude when he said this…
Quote:
“When Anthony and I first started talking about the roster, he did say, ‘I’d love to have some fives that can bang with some length,” said the GM. “He’s 26. We want a decade of dominance out of him here, so we have to do what’s best for his body and having him bang against the biggest centers in the West every night is not what’s best for his body, or the team or the franchise.
That was his first mistake.
In 2023 when he inked his max extension, he had already been a Laker for a minimum of 4 years and was already an 8+yr seasoned veteran, which are the minimum qualifiers for having a NTC included in a deal. However the nature of the contract was that it was an extension that was supposed to add 4 more years of new money to his current deal at the time that had him waive his ETO (early termination option). As a result, you can’t negotiate a NTC into that extension. He could have played out the 2023-24 season and then exercise the ETO on the 2024-25 season. Doing that, he would have gotten a new deal that demonstrated 35% max money for this current season and in doing so could have negotiated a NTC into such a deal since it wouldn’t be classified as an extension.
That was his second mistake.
But he continuously took less money & assets from the Lakers (as seen above by not having a max deal kick in this season where he could have made 49.2m instead of the 42.3m he is currently on…and by waiving the trade kicker that brought him to LA in the first place that would have taken more assets (like Kuz’s deal) to cover in salary matching so that we could still trade for him and maintain a near max slot for a kawhite free agency nonetheless.
Speaking of waiving trade kickers, he did it once again in the Luka trade, where he could have made nearly 7m more this year and Jeanie’s/ownership’s expense nonetheless and really muddled up the salary matching element once again…so I guess that makes it his third mistake and now he’s out.
But that’s AD…playing good soldier and hoping his asks get met…and they never did.
And while we’re on AD’s max extension that kicks in next year, I do find it peculiar that Nico wanted to avoid a tumultuous summer with Luka’s supermax eligibility kicking in, yet traded for AD whose 35% max extension number kicks in a year before Luka’s would at the same 35% (aka supermax) number.
Things that make you go hmmm 🤔
Man you can never trust this guys, and fans always questions players loyalties. They want players to go back to the old ways. But why, when you have snakes making deals like that.
I always thought AD would have to ask out just to be traded... Rob pretty much showed his true colors. It sucks the majority is only seeing this on Luka's side, when AD pretty much got the same treatment. Fans are under mining it because AD is the lesser of the 2 players. I was already iffy with Rob before all this went down.
Im not sold on Luka to be honest. Kobe and Lebron played both sides of the ball Luka cannot. I cant put a player in that elite category when you have to protect him defensively lol
Same. This is a splash move. Substance remains to be seen for this new look team.
Everybody is all about Mark now. In with the new and out with the old.
Here’s a thought tho, imagine Mark’s ascension if he had to scrimmage with & against, work out & run drills with AD as his teammate in practices here. The big knock on the kid is that he’s not a great defender. AD would have shown him the way. Just imagine how dope of a mentor AD would be to a young center.
And we had yearS to go get AD one…from 2picks for Myles to trying move up in the draft to get a kid like Lively.
What bothers me the most is that we never tapped into dude’s superpowers. We wanted to convert him into an offensive center, when we really should have kept him a defensive 4 flanked with other wing defenders & Bron, while bringing in an actual center capable of deterring rim runs. Oh, yeah we did see it that one time fur the 2019/20 campaign. Anyways that should have been our identity in a league that’s all about imitating a splash on offense.
That’s why I really go in on this FO. They really wasted and opportunity here and I’m bracing for it to happen again. The honeymoon phase will soon end and folks around here and in our fanbase will realize, the group up top is all about trying to exploit stars, but not really putting them in positions to truly win. Hope I’m wrong, but I’ve seen how this script played out before. 1 Finals appearance for a squad led by 2 of the top 75 greatest players ever! Unforgivable! _________________ Not familiar with the salary cap/CBA rules & how it impacts our Lakers?
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It sounded like the crowd cheered for AD but the arena volume was so loud. They might’ve been trying to drown out any negative noise. I’ve never watched a player intro in Dallas before, so maybe it’s normal to be that loud.
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2025 12:14 pm Post subject:
No I feel like he got a good ovation. I mean it was super loud but I could it felt like the crowd was cheering pretty loudly when he was announced.
I have not seen anyone have any animus towards him people hate the fact that the trade happened but They've also gone out of their way to say that they like AD and Max they just wish that you know Luka wasn't dumped at the side of the road lol
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