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miggz23
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It just evened out after getting lucky with Reaves contract....
But I think he is worth the contract. Comparing to the top 10 players in the league. He is probably the best two way player in there maybe besides Giannis. |
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| VindicatioN wrote: | | Yeah it's 3 more years, so 5 total. AD seems like the type that will mail it in after getting paid. I just don't see that passion in him like the greats before him. This is just a means to an end for him. Go ahead, flame on. |
I don't think he's going to "mail it in." However, I don't think the extension will provide any additional motivation for him. It's just some more big paychecks for a guy who has been getting big paychecks for a long time.
I don't expect AD to be any different than he's been in the past. He'll have the same hot spells, the same cold spells, and likely some injuries. |
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When you look at it from look at what Boston gave Jaylen Brown perspective, it looks about right. But many thought Brown was way overpaid.
I just hope there is a post-Lebron plan that isn't just about Reaves/DLO/Rui and some run at some star to replace Lebron. They need to really roster build, because Lebron's tenure is coming to an end sooner than later, and now AD's a Laker contractually for 5 more years. It won't be easy to move him in 2 years at this price, so you better have a plan. |
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That is a huge salary number! It demonstrates the extreme disparity from the star players to the mid-level players.
I was skeptical Anthony would re-sign; the first round exit in 2021, the lottery season in 2022, and Lebron’s farewell tour. I didn’t think Anthony would want to be a part of a rebuilding process.
Rob really stepped up!
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | When you look at it from look at what Boston gave Jaylen Brown perspective, it looks about right. But many thought Brown was way overpaid.
I just hope there is a post-Lebron plan that isn't just about Reaves/DLO/Rui and some run at some star to replace Lebron. They need to really roster build, because Lebron's tenure is coming to an end sooner than later, and now AD's a Laker contractually for 5 more years. It won't be easy to move him in 2 years at this price, so you better have a plan. |
Giannis? Tatum? Maybe even (Charlotte) Bridges? Or someone else? It’s probably too early to have a definite plan but never too soon to contemplate potential targets. In the mean time I’m ok with a Vinc/Dlo/AR/Vand/Rui/AD platform to build on after LBJ with the prospect of MaxC. Reddish is unlikely to return ala Monk if he does exceedingly well and like LWIV/MoBa if not. I’m not optimistic about any of the others Fino/MaxL/Prin/Hayes but hope they surprise me.
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | When you look at it from look at what Boston gave Jaylen Brown perspective, it looks about right. But many thought Brown was way overpaid.
I just hope there is a post-Lebron plan that isn't just about Reaves/DLO/Rui and some run at some star to replace Lebron. They need to really roster build, because Lebron's tenure is coming to an end sooner than later, and now AD's a Laker contractually for 5 more years. It won't be easy to move him in 2 years at this price, so you better have a plan. |
Comparatively Brown might have been underpaid. His contract will carry through his prime while AD’s extension will cover post-prime years.
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I am not particularly surprised by this news but congrats to AD and the Lakers nonetheless. 
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| Halflife wrote: | Too bad, but expected.
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I don’t understand why people still don’t get this
It’s not just about the money being paid out to the player who do you get to replace him?
We’re not gonna be picking in the lottery next year. LeBron‘s not getting any younger. There are no young free agents on their way here because NBA teams don’t let them go.
You pay your stars look Anthony Davis is a star Biggs get hurt more often than smaller players to not pay him would be ridiculous. It’s not your money. |
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| I still think one of the teams likely paths is to trade AD after LeBron is out in order to restock our shelves. This extension makes him more valuable as he will have 4 years left next summer and 3 years left the following summer. |
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Lakers could make the play-in even if AD didn't play a single game in the regular season so technically we wouldn't have to play him at all during the regular season. Playoffs are what play for keeps.
I'd say the best use of AD is to just play him the last 20 games or so of the regular season to get him acclimated for the playoffs. Screw what Silver and the league and the networks want. Our main objective is to win the championship so we will do whatever it takes that gives us the best chance to achieve that objective.
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| Dang, gonna be making over $1M per game played |
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| Halflife wrote: | | Polarbear wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | Too bad, but expected.
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Hasnt proven to be a #1 and we don't have a #1. |
I don’t understand why people still don’t get this
It’s not just about the money being paid out to the player who do you get to replace him?
We’re not gonna be picking in the lottery next year. LeBron‘s not getting any younger. There are no young free agents on their way here because NBA teams don’t let them go.
You pay your stars look Anthony Davis is a star Biggs get hurt more often than smaller players to not pay him would be ridiculous. It’s not your money. |
No one is boohooing it. Just posting reality. Funny people clowned the Jaylen max, yet praise this. Without the bubble he hasn’t been good enough to get us back. Let’s see what we do this year to determine if last year was a fluke. The shame with all of those games missed. Only a handful were load management.
We will have a fun regular season though and that’s good. |
So the last year was a fluke and the bubble was also? Lol. Stop trolling. You are already banned from the Lebron thread
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| CamReddish wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Polarbear wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | Too bad, but expected.
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Hasnt proven to be a #1 and we don't have a #1. |
I don’t understand why people still don’t get this
It’s not just about the money being paid out to the player who do you get to replace him?
We’re not gonna be picking in the lottery next year. LeBron‘s not getting any younger. There are no young free agents on their way here because NBA teams don’t let them go.
You pay your stars look Anthony Davis is a star Biggs get hurt more often than smaller players to not pay him would be ridiculous. It’s not your money. |
No one is boohooing it. Just posting reality. Funny people clowned the Jaylen max, yet praise this. Without the bubble he hasn’t been good enough to get us back. Let’s see what we do this year to determine if last year was a fluke. The shame with all of those games missed. Only a handful were load management.
We will have a fun regular season though and that’s good. |
So the last year was a fluke and the bubble was also? Lol. Stop trolling. You are already banned from the Lebron thread |
Its called bubble for a reason. Last year may not have been a fluke. If we don't get to WCF this year it may have been. On paper we are marginally better. We played one non dysfunctional team and got swept. Yes everything possible broke our way . Easy schedule, injured teams, weird year.
Its ok we disagree.
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CamReddish
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| Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Halflife wrote: | | CamReddish wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Polarbear wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | Too bad, but expected.
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Hasnt proven to be a #1 and we don't have a #1. |
I don’t understand why people still don’t get this
It’s not just about the money being paid out to the player who do you get to replace him?
We’re not gonna be picking in the lottery next year. LeBron‘s not getting any younger. There are no young free agents on their way here because NBA teams don’t let them go.
You pay your stars look Anthony Davis is a star Biggs get hurt more often than smaller players to not pay him would be ridiculous. It’s not your money. |
No one is boohooing it. Just posting reality. Funny people clowned the Jaylen max, yet praise this. Without the bubble he hasn’t been good enough to get us back. Let’s see what we do this year to determine if last year was a fluke. The shame with all of those games missed. Only a handful were load management.
We will have a fun regular season though and that’s good. |
So the last year was a fluke and the bubble was also? Lol. Stop trolling. You are already banned from the Lebron thread |
Its called bubble for a reason. Last year may not have been a fluke. If we don't get to WCF this year it may have been. On paper we are marginally better. We played one non dysfunctional team and got swept. Yes everything possible broke our way . Easy schedule, injured teams, weird year.
Its ok we disagree. |
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Why do you all feed the troll?
AD has had 2 very strong years. 19-20 (title) and 22-23 (WCF). No surprise they led to playoff success. However his other 2 years in LA were subpar for a max star. That's a fair assessment IMO. If he's making 50-60M a year, and Lebron is not on the team, there's no way we can get away with the type of seasons he had in 20-21 and 21-22.
That doesn't mean he isn't an elite player, because he is. However his tenure in LA has been marred with injuries and inconsistencies in RS level. In the playoffs he's a beast. But getting to the playoffs when you're best player commands that much of the cap, won't be so easy, with Lebron gone.
Said in the other thread, probably a move the Lakers would need to consider eventually is to move 2 out of Reaves/DLO/Rui by next offseason (Plus FRPs/Christie/JHS type assets) to attain a 2nd star to pair with AD. That will give them an opportunity to reduce the load on AD when he is 32, 33 etc.
You likely want to have something like AD, 2nd star, one of DLO/Reaves, and a lot of MLE level role playesr to complete a roster that has enough depth and another star to go with AD. You can't build a team around AD without a true 2nd star, because he's unlikely able to hold up the regular season grind. |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: |
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You likely want to have something like AD, 2nd star, one of DLO/Reaves, and a lot of MLE level role playesr to complete a roster that has enough depth and another star to go with AD. You can't build a team around AD without a true 2nd star, because he's unlikely able to hold up the regular season grind. |
I'm also wondering if his defensive game will age well; right now it relies on his superb defensive IQ, his length/reach and most of all his agility - he's really light on his feet. As he ages his agility will diminish, it will take him just a tad longer to get in position and to recover and his blocking reach will be a tad lower and slower. And as for his offensive game, his range has been diminishing so again I don't see it aging well. So trading him in a couple of years as he starts to descend from his peak may well be the optimal plan. |
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Its funny how everyone overlooks The "every other game davis" tag he was given in the playoffs. That is on top of his "street clothes" name. No doubt he is our best player and should be paid more than everyone else. Unfortunately that's the problem. I hope he all of a sudden gets healthier and plays more than 62 games. I hope night in and night out he shows out.
Lets see. Big contract for a guy who as the best player hasnt done anything.
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| ThePageDude wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: |
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You likely want to have something like AD, 2nd star, one of DLO/Reaves, and a lot of MLE level role playesr to complete a roster that has enough depth and another star to go with AD. You can't build a team around AD without a true 2nd star, because he's unlikely able to hold up the regular season grind. |
I'm also wondering if his defensive game will age well; right now it relies on his superb defensive IQ, his length/reach and most of all his agility - he's really light on his feet. As he ages his agility will diminish, it will take him just a tad longer to get in position and to recover and his blocking reach will be a tad lower and slower. And as for his offensive game, his range has been diminishing so again I don't see it aging well. So trading him in a couple of years as he starts to descend from his peak may well be the optimal plan. |
It's certainly a gamble. We all know about AD's injury history and we've all seen his decline. But I understand why the Lakers are making the gamble. And not signing AD to an extension and letting him walk would just be a different type of gamble.
I am cool with the extension but I'm not excited about it. It seemed fairly inevitable to me so I don't see a point in getting worked up about it either way. |
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| CamReddish wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | CamReddish wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Polarbear wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | Too bad, but expected.
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games player per year. now add the new and improved "Every other game davis"
Hasnt proven to be a #1 and we don't have a #1. |
I don’t understand why people still don’t get this
It’s not just about the money being paid out to the player who do you get to replace him?
We’re not gonna be picking in the lottery next year. LeBron‘s not getting any younger. There are no young free agents on their way here because NBA teams don’t let them go.
You pay your stars look Anthony Davis is a star Biggs get hurt more often than smaller players to not pay him would be ridiculous. It’s not your money. |
No one is boohooing it. Just posting reality. Funny people clowned the Jaylen max, yet praise this. Without the bubble he hasn’t been good enough to get us back. Let’s see what we do this year to determine if last year was a fluke. The shame with all of those games missed. Only a handful were load management.
We will have a fun regular season though and that’s good. |
So the last year was a fluke and the bubble was also? Lol. Stop trolling. You are already banned from the Lebron thread |
Its called bubble for a reason. Last year may not have been a fluke. If we don't get to WCF this year it may have been. On paper we are marginally better. We played one non dysfunctional team and got swept. Yes everything possible broke our way . Easy schedule, injured teams, weird year.
Its ok we disagree. |
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but it was a bubble for every team. A difficult season with all it's ups and downs that only one team capitalized on. |
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| The bubble season had 66 non-bubble games and 8 bubble games plus playoffs. 92% of the regular season was before the bubble. People like to forget that the lakers were first in the west and coming off big wins against the Clippers and The Bucks at the 91% mark of that season before the COVID shutdown. |
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Another thing to remember during the COVID season is Bron was shutdown the prior season after experiencing gro’in pains in his 1st season with the kiddies and after the Pels chose to hold AD ransom for longer. This came after dude came off 8 straight years of making it to the Finals and just removed from an 82 game campaign in his last year in Cleaveland.
As for AD, dude was also effectively shutdown in his final year with the Pels before flipping them the bird and “that’s all folk’n” em on his way to LA.
We started that 2019/20 campaign like gangbusters even with Bron running fulltime point duties with only playoff Rondo as the only other reliable perimeter playmaker. Meanwhile AD could mostly play the 4 in having McGee & Dwight handle the center duties. Then came the 4 month layoff…and they then run the table after recharging their batteries again. Bron could still carry point duties while, layoff Rondo used the time off to hop into the booth and become the playoff version of himself, while AD was called upon to pmay more center duty, but was successful in doing so due to the reCOVIDry period he experienced that season. But don’t forget just how many times he experienced some ugly spills in that postseason. I bet, without the time off, dude most likely stays grounded and with it our title hopes, but fortunately for us, he was able to get back up.
Last season, they once again licked their wounds and came back, all be it a lil rushed and once again that duo helped dig us out if a deep hole & got us to the WCF before running out of juice again.
The bottomline is, you get these dudes rested, recovered and gassed up before the postseason and they can run on fumes leading us to the promise land. But you gotta be diligent in having enough around them to remain afloat either without them or not completely reliant on them.
And all we did was bring AD a yet to be proven Hayes. As a result, forecasts for this season remain hazy imho. This coming off a season where dude literally was stressed out in playing fulltime center. Just a bad look in us offering dude protection. Might as well get the bag & insulate himself from a FO not sincerely looking out for dude’s health/longevity.
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| Halflife wrote: | | CamReddish wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Polarbear wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | Too bad, but expected.
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games player per year. now add the new and improved "Every other game davis"
Hasnt proven to be a #1 and we don't have a #1. |
I don’t understand why people still don’t get this
It’s not just about the money being paid out to the player who do you get to replace him?
We’re not gonna be picking in the lottery next year. LeBron‘s not getting any younger. There are no young free agents on their way here because NBA teams don’t let them go.
You pay your stars look Anthony Davis is a star Biggs get hurt more often than smaller players to not pay him would be ridiculous. It’s not your money. |
No one is boohooing it. Just posting reality. Funny people clowned the Jaylen max, yet praise this. Without the bubble he hasn’t been good enough to get us back. Let’s see what we do this year to determine if last year was a fluke. The shame with all of those games missed. Only a handful were load management.
We will have a fun regular season though and that’s good. |
So the last year was a fluke and the bubble was also? Lol. Stop trolling. You are already banned from the Lebron thread |
Its called bubble for a reason. Last year may not have been a fluke. If we don't get to WCF this year it may have been. On paper we are marginally better. We played one non dysfunctional team and got swept. Yes everything possible broke our way . Easy schedule, injured teams, weird year.
It’s ok we disagree. |
Halflife, you obviously hate Lebron and Davis, who do you like?
And it’s dumb to think that last year and the bubble were a fluke.
Since being in the league, Davis is a top 5-10 talent.
No disputing that.
It was a great deal for the Lakers.
I am happy for him. |
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| zagnut08 wrote: | | Dang, gonna be making over $1M per game played |
Wow! I never thought about that. Insane! That’s like $75,000 per basket?
Go Lakers!
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| windycitycane wrote: | | zagnut08 wrote: | | Dang, gonna be making over $1M per game played |
Wow! I never thought about that. Insane! That’s like $75,000 per basket?
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Factoring in for more long postseason runs then this extent is more palatable.....
55-60 regular season games
+15-25 playoff games
~80 games on average of 20/10/2 level production is what AD will be compensated for barring season ending injury.
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Why should we need his regular season production? With the extended playoffs, we'd only need to be better than five teams in order to make it so there's no point in using AD much during regular season. We should mimic KD's 2021 season. Pretend like AD was injured for most of the regular and then let him go off in the playoffs.
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