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Inspector Gadget
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| miggz23 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | CamReddish wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | AD said in the post game that his hip was bothering him a little bit its ridiculous that we didn’t rest him in this game especially when this game seemed like it was gonna be tough |
What is wrong with his hip? He had it last season also. Why not address it |
Pretty sure it's the same hip he hurt against the Heat... Understandable specially in b2b games that it bothers him. |
So why not sit him? |
Ask Ham... |
Yeah I know what your trying to say.. he’s gonna run AD to the ground at some point  |
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kikanga
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He has a brittle body man. He doesn't handle physicality well. Maybe we should just move him to the 4 and live with the poor floor spacing. I dunno. I'm kinda at my wits end with this guy.
The inconsistency is frustrating.
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Bron2AD
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I am done with this clown. 12th game and we are talking about his effort.
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Bron2AD
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| kikanga wrote: | He has a brittle body man. He doesn't handle physicality well. Maybe we should just move him to the 4 and live with the poor floor spacing. I dunno. I'm kinda at my wits end with this guy.
The inconsistency is frustrating. |
29/16/7/3 by sabonis on his head is embarrassing |
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Cutheon
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:09 am Post subject: |
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| AD isn’t the new style big that Sabonis and Giannis etc are — he cannot actually handle the ball. He’s very scheme and spacing dependent. And while his effort was flagging, we do very little to put AD in a position of success. Early offense, facing the basket—this is where he excels. But too frequently last night we gave AD the ball in a congested half court, clock ticking, his back to the basket, double team immediately swarming him—and he looked AWFUL. Most would. Why we continue to go away from what brings us success is kind of mind boggling. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:09 am Post subject: |
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| Bron2AD wrote: | I am done with this clown. 12th season and we are talking about his effort.
Horrible |
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defense
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:19 am Post subject: |
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He is what he is. You decide if he is worth the money. I think he is (when healthy)
Good offensive player
Great defensive player
Not a leader
Up and Down
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Don Draper
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| Cutheon wrote: | | AD isn’t the new style big that Sabonis and Giannis etc are — he cannot actually handle the ball. He’s very scheme and spacing dependent. And while his effort was flagging, we do very little to put AD in a position of success. Early offense, facing the basket—this is where he excels. But too frequently last night we gave AD the ball in a congested half court, clock ticking, his back to the basket, double team immediately swarming him—and he looked AWFUL. Most would. Why we continue to go away from what brings us success is kind of mind boggling. |
the thinking basketball guy made a good point of calling AD a kind of failed unicorn, in that he never developed parts of his game like shooting or ball handling |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | He is what he is. You decide if he is worth the money. I think he is (when healthy)
Good offensive player
Great defensive player
Not a leader
Up and Down
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That is the player we traded for, it was the same story in NO. Inconsistency is what keeps him from being compared to the current great bigs like Jokic and Giannis.
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| wonder why LeBron hand picked AD as his running mate, and not Jimmy Butler, or PG or KL. if i remember correctly, PG got butt hurt because he thought he was the afterthought when we were pursuing LeBron, had LeBron reached out to PG, he would've signed with us easily. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | wonder why LeBron hand picked AD as his running mate, and not Jimmy Butler, or PG or KL. if i remember correctly, PG got butt hurt because he thought he was the afterthought when we were pursuing LeBron, had LeBron reached out to PG, he would've signed with us easily. |
PG refused to sign with the Lakers, we don’t have to wonder, it actually happened.
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Halflife
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:41 am Post subject: |
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| SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | wonder why LeBron hand picked AD as his running mate, and not Jimmy Butler, or PG or KL. if i remember correctly, PG got butt hurt because he thought he was the afterthought when we were pursuing LeBron, had LeBron reached out to PG, he would've signed with us easily. |
Kl didn’t want to play with him. Pg preferred Russ, jb wanted his own team. Assuming what was said is true. Ad was perfect. Embraced living in the shadow, scapegoat, talented, klutch.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:21 am Post subject: |
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| SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | wonder why LeBron hand picked AD as his running mate, and not Jimmy Butler, or PG or KL. if i remember correctly, PG got butt hurt because he thought he was the afterthought when we were pursuing LeBron, had LeBron reached out to PG, he would've signed with us easily. |
Fortunately for LeBron, he made the right choice. None of those dudes come close to 2020 AD. |
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| PenG_ wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | wonder why LeBron hand picked AD as his running mate, and not Jimmy Butler, or PG or KL. if i remember correctly, PG got butt hurt because he thought he was the afterthought when we were pursuing LeBron, had LeBron reached out to PG, he would've signed with us easily. |
Fortunately for LeBron, he made the right choice. None of those dudes come close to 2020 AD. |
prbably especially after hearing a recent lou williams interview where he said the clippers didnt want to be in the bubble when other players were saying it wouldnt be taken seriously. https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1724150290293698900?s=20
shows a lack of leadership from players and coach. IMHO Bron AD and especially Vogel knew to seize it.
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All I know is none of the players can use the "we were tired" "Playing back to backs" excuse.
Davis played limited mins on Tues - As did Lebron, and he dominated.
Sabonis was schooling Davis in all aspects. I wish Davis played as hard as Sabonis. It's in his DNA like his dad.
No excuses, Davis. You got the bank, now earn it.
I know I wasn't a huge fan of that giant extension he got.
Agree, when he is on, he is great. Top 5 talent.
When he is not engaged and lethargic, he just pisses us all off.
Play better, Davis. You sucked hard yesterday. Gotta do better. Can't pick and choose what games you want to play hard in.
He deserves all the lashing he gets. He is so inconsistent and he has been playing well so far this season. You can't have a 9 point, 9 rebound game when you should be getting 25 and 10 without effort, nightly. |
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If he was hurt he should have sat out, or not came back into the game in the 4th down 26 points
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | CamReddish wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | AD said in the post game that his hip was bothering him a little bit its ridiculous that we didn’t rest him in this game especially when this game seemed like it was gonna be tough |
What is wrong with his hip? He had it last season also. Why not address it |
To be honest with you… his body is created in a way were he can get injured just by a single defensive coverage or a rebound, we should have sat him in this game especially if he wasn’t feeling right |
He is like a normal person that got stretched out way too long, I don't know if there is anything we can do to prevent him having these types of injuries constantly. |
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| I'm not the biggest Doc Rivers fan, but I agreed with him when he said something like it's too early in the season to be worn down already playing back to backs. |
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Can’t have Domantas manhandle you, ever, AD. Be better
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| Bron2AD wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | He has a brittle body man. He doesn't handle physicality well. Maybe we should just move him to the 4 and live with the poor floor spacing. I dunno. I'm kinda at my wits end with this guy.
The inconsistency is frustrating. |
29/16/7/3 by sabonis on his head is embarrassing |
He's a tweener in a bad way. Too brittle to play the 5. Too poor of a floor spacer to play the 4.
As a 3rd option. He can make you a championship favorite.
As a 2nd option. No chance at a chip in Jokic's conference. Unless alot of things go well. Including a once in a century pandemic that gives him a multi-month break. Plus a PG who can be his offensive brain and spoon feed him points like Rondo.
And as a 1st option, when Bron leaves/retires.  You're dreaming.
That seems harsh. But it's true.
And to his credit. He is elite defensively. Top tier in the league when he's not up against Jokic. And if he's healthy enough. He's a lock for the all star team. Definitely top 20 in the league. Just nowhere near top 5. Now or in the foreseeable future.
I see why people believe in him though. He has the talent.
He just doesn't have the durability or mindset.
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| kikanga wrote: | | Bron2AD wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | He has a brittle body man. He doesn't handle physicality well. Maybe we should just move him to the 4 and live with the poor floor spacing. I dunno. I'm kinda at my wits end with this guy.
The inconsistency is frustrating. |
29/16/7/3 by sabonis on his head is embarrassing |
He's a tweener in a bad way. Too brittle to play the 5. Too poor of a floor spacer to play the 4.
As a 3rd option. He can make you a championship favorite.
As a 2nd option. No chance at a chip in Jokic's conference. Unless alot of things go well. Including a once in a century pandemic that gives him a multi-month break. Plus a PG who can be his offensive brain and spoon feed him points like Rondo.
And as a 1st option, when Bron leaves/retires. You're dreaming.
That seems harsh. But it's true.
And to his credit. He is elite defensively. Top tier in the league when he's not up against Jokic. And if he's healthy enough. He's a lock for the all star team. Definitely top 20 in the league. Just nowhere near top 5. Now or in the foreseeable future.
I see why people believe in him though. He has the talent.
He just doesn't have the durability or mindset. |
This is the reason I never wanted to give him that huge extension.
Once bron goes it’s all lottery years cause ad’s now a fat cat |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| kikanga wrote: | | Bron2AD wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | He has a brittle body man. He doesn't handle physicality well. Maybe we should just move him to the 4 and live with the poor floor spacing. I dunno. I'm kinda at my wits end with this guy.
The inconsistency is frustrating. |
29/16/7/3 by sabonis on his head is embarrassing |
He's a tweener in a bad way. Too brittle to play the 5. Too poor of a floor spacer to play the 4.
As a 3rd option. He can make you a championship favorite.
As a 2nd option. No chance at a chip in Jokic's conference. Unless alot of things go well. Including a once in a century pandemic that gives him a multi-month break. Plus a PG who can be his offensive brain and spoon feed him points like Rondo.
And as a 1st option, when Bron leaves/retires. You're dreaming.
That seems harsh. But it's true.
And to his credit. He is elite defensively. Top tier in the league when he's not up against Jokic. And if he's healthy enough. He's a lock for the all star team. Definitely top 20 in the league. Just nowhere near top 5. Now or in the foreseeable future.
I see why people believe in him though. He has the talent.
He just doesn't have the durability or mindset. |
AD gave Sabonis 30 and 16 the first time they met and held him to 12 points, and he only lost after Gabe fouled them late in the game. Right now they both, AD and Sabonis laid one egg versus one another game and got dominated by their matchup. |
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| BILBJH wrote: | | I'm not the biggest Doc Rivers fan, but I agreed with him when he said something like it's too early in the season to be worn down already playing back to backs. |
Doc rested Embid every year he coached in Phili in the same spot 😂 |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:03 am Post subject: |
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| kikanga wrote: | | Bron2AD wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | He has a brittle body man. He doesn't handle physicality well. Maybe we should just move him to the 4 and live with the poor floor spacing. I dunno. I'm kinda at my wits end with this guy.
The inconsistency is frustrating. |
29/16/7/3 by sabonis on his head is embarrassing |
He's a tweener in a bad way. Too brittle to play the 5. Too poor of a floor spacer to play the 4.
As a 3rd option. He can make you a championship favorite.
As a 2nd option. No chance at a chip in Jokic's conference. Unless alot of things go well. Including a once in a century pandemic that gives him a multi-month break. Plus a PG who can be his offensive brain and spoon feed him points like Rondo.
And as a 1st option, when Bron leaves/retires. You're dreaming.
That seems harsh. But it's true.
And to his credit. He is elite defensively. Top tier in the league when he's not up against Jokic. And if he's healthy enough. He's a lock for the all star team. Definitely top 20 in the league. Just nowhere near top 5. Now or in the foreseeable future.
I see why people believe in him though. He has the talent.
He just doesn't have the durability or mindset. |
He has his issues, but kind of not giving credit where it is due. He has already won a championship as 1A. Unless you think the bubble does not count? Its a matter of playing to his strengths and his running mate going 100 percent less than half the time. |
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