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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2024 2:38 pm    Post subject:

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Incredibly the Clippers rank just 27th in NBA attendance, averaging 16,643 fans per night in an arena built to hold 18,000, though they did manage a sell-out on Saturday night. The Clippers — who improved to 6-4 with the win, while the Raptors fell to 2-8 — are an entertaining product too. They may not have the championship ceiling their trio of superstars was supposed to provide, but they’re a relatively deep team that competes hard. If Leonard can get healthy — he’s out indefinitely with inflammation in his surgically-repaired knee — they would be a tough out in the post-season. – via SportsNet


Build it and they will come?

Doesn't help that they limited public transit to the stadium and charge $70 for parking.


The reason to go to a Clipper game at Staples was that it was much cheaper than watching a Laker game. The discount is now gone, the fans are now expected to help pay for the shiny new building they have now. If you had a choice between the Lakers or Clippers, no sane person is going to go to a Clipper game for the same price.
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Incredibly the Clippers rank just 27th in NBA attendance, averaging 16,643 fans per night in an arena built to hold 18,000, though they did manage a sell-out on Saturday night. The Clippers — who improved to 6-4 with the win, while the Raptors fell to 2-8 — are an entertaining product too. They may not have the championship ceiling their trio of superstars was supposed to provide, but they’re a relatively deep team that competes hard. If Leonard can get healthy — he’s out indefinitely with inflammation in his surgically-repaired knee — they would be a tough out in the post-season. – via SportsNet


Build it and they will come?

Doesn't help that they limited public transit to the stadium and charge $70 for parking.


The reason to go to a Clipper game at Staples was that it was much cheaper than watching a Laker game. The discount is now gone, the fans are now expected to help pay for the shiny new building they have now. If you had a choice between the Lakers or Clippers, no sane person is going to go to a Clipper game for the same price.


It’s like Mercedes and Daewoo, nobody gonna question u dropping $100G for a Mercedes but people would think u crazy dropping $50G for a Daewoo
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 8:46 am    Post subject:

Had Clippers gotten LBJ and AD, they would have won multiple rings.
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Had Clippers gotten LBJ and AD, they would have won multiple rings.


But they didn't. Those guys wanted the only team in LA that matters.



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 10:21 am    Post subject:

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Had Clippers gotten LBJ and AD, they would have won multiple rings.


The far superior supporting casts they've built over the same time period and with equal, if not more limitations than the Lakers within their respective big 2 eras should be noted.

I like pointing it out because I'm just so disgusted with the supporting casts the Lakers have put together over the years, including the current one.

There's no way the Lakers should be this mediocre with 2 stars still playing at this level.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 10:25 am    Post subject:

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Had Clippers gotten LBJ and AD, they would have won multiple rings.

in the bubble? Maybe. Otherwise no.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2024 9:49 pm    Post subject:

Clippers are tied with the Lakers record-wise, with 1 extra win and 1 extra loss.

The Clippers have built better teams. It's just pretty obvious to me.

It's pathetic how they've bettered or equaled the Lakers in the regular season despite all the time their stars have missed over the years.

With the Lakers failing miserably with their supporting casts over the years, I just can't help but look at them longingly with their balanced teams that plays defense.

They put together their team the same year and gave up MORE assets than the Lakers did to put their duo together.

They succeeded in putting together workable supporting casts, which I can't help but appreciate when I look at the Lakers.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2024 10:09 pm    Post subject:

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Clippers are tied with the Lakers record-wise, with 1 extra win and 1 extra loss.

The Clippers have built better teams. It's just pretty obvious to me.

It's pathetic how they've bettered or equaled the Lakers in the regular season despite all the time their stars have missed over the years.

With the Lakers failing miserably with their supporting casts over the years, I just can't help but look at them longingly with their balanced teams that plays defense.

They put together their team the same year and gave up MORE assets than the Lakers did to put their duo together.

They succeeded in putting together workable supporting casts, which I can't help but appreciate when I look at the Lakers.


This is where having good management comes in.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2024 10:31 pm    Post subject:

James Harden is honestly one of the GOAT floor raisers
But is also a warning lesson for roster building as he is a ceiling limiter too
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 12:54 am    Post subject:

Japago wrote:
Clippers are tied with the Lakers record-wise, with 1 extra win and 1 extra loss.

The Clippers have built better teams. It's just pretty obvious to me.

It's pathetic how they've bettered or equaled the Lakers in the regular season despite all the time their stars have missed over the years.

With the Lakers failing miserably with their supporting casts over the years, I just can't help but look at them longingly with their balanced teams that plays defense.

They put together their team the same year and gave up MORE assets than the Lakers did to put their duo together.

They succeeded in putting together workable supporting casts, which I can't help but appreciate when I look at the Lakers.



Well, another way of looking at it is that they have been consistently better than us since the Chris Paul trade except for one year, and the ring count in that timeframe is still 1-0.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 6:40 am    Post subject:

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Clippers are tied with the Lakers record-wise, with 1 extra win and 1 extra loss.

The Clippers have built better teams. It's just pretty obvious to me.

It's pathetic how they've bettered or equaled the Lakers in the regular season despite all the time their stars have missed over the years.

With the Lakers failing miserably with their supporting casts over the years, I just can't help but look at them longingly with their balanced teams that plays defense.

They put together their team the same year and gave up MORE assets than the Lakers did to put their duo together.

They succeeded in putting together workable supporting casts, which I can't help but appreciate when I look at the Lakers.


Dude, you're the biggest "concern troll" on the board.

Just own the fact that you're a Clippers fan. You won't get banned.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 6:42 am    Post subject:

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Clippers are tied with the Lakers record-wise, with 1 extra win and 1 extra loss.

The Clippers have built better teams. It's just pretty obvious to me.

It's pathetic how they've bettered or equaled the Lakers in the regular season despite all the time their stars have missed over the years.

With the Lakers failing miserably with their supporting casts over the years, I just can't help but look at them longingly with their balanced teams that plays defense.

They put together their team the same year and gave up MORE assets than the Lakers did to put their duo together.

They succeeded in putting together workable supporting casts, which I can't help but appreciate when I look at the Lakers.


Dude, you're the biggest "concern troll" on the board.

Just own the fact that you're a Clippers fan. You won't get banned.


100% he's not a Laker fan. Nothing but negativity from him.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 7:08 am    Post subject:

Clips lol, if u live up here in the northeast, tell Mets fan they’re like the clippers version of baseball and see how offended they get lol.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 7:34 am    Post subject:

"Clippers have built better teams"

Every year in the Playoffs the Lakers go further than them or they do the same, no matter how much hype their 'team' got to start the season or during it, or how much Lue is called a 'great' Coach.

The gap between the Clippers and the Lakers is the Clippers keep getting called this better team whose 'time is now' and the Lakers get underrated, and then when it matters the Clippers either lose in the same round the Lakers do, or the Lakers go further than them.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 10:22 am    Post subject:

Accurate post, both LA teams are mediocre 5-8 seeds in the West. Both live by the star theory, big names are important in Tinseltown, even to the detriment of good team building. The Clippers never should have brought Kawhi back but it wasn’t like they could have just used that salary somewhere else. The top teams in the West don’t fear either team and the main difference is that Balmer will spend whatever he thinks it takes while the Buss kids are adverse to spending more.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 10:35 am    Post subject:

I will say this, Lue for me has shown the Lakers made a mistake not bringing him...I like JJ and think he has a chance to be really good....Lue though seems to maximize whatever talent he has
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 10:49 am    Post subject:

Zubac, Mann, Harden, and Powell were the Clippers role players last season around Kawhi and PG.

Now compare that to DLO, Reaves, Rui, and Vando
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 10:59 am    Post subject:

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Accurate post, both LA teams are mediocre 5-8 seeds in the West. Both live by the star theory, big names are important in Tinseltown, even to the detriment of good team building. The Clippers never should have brought Kawhi back but it wasn’t like they could have just used that salary somewhere else. The top teams in the West don’t fear either team and the main difference is that Balmer will spend whatever he thinks it takes while the Buss kids are adverse to spending more.


The evidence says otherwise:

2020-21 - Clippers 139.7 Lakers 139.3
2021-22 - Clippers 168.3 Lakers 164.4
2022-23 - Clippers 192.3 Lakers 169.4
2023-24 - Clippers 201.4 Lakers 169.9
2024-25 - Clippers 175.5 Lakers 189.9 (GSW - 178.4)

As soon as Ballmer could cut payroll, he did. So did the "model ownership group" in Golden State. For every single franchise, winning is important only for how it drives profitability.

You don't spend whatever it takes to keep winning - you spend whatever it takes to keep the business profitable and build franchise value. There isn't a single owner in the Big 3 USA pro sports who's more ego driven than Mark Cuban . . . but once he saw the profitability model changing, he cashed out.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 11:36 am    Post subject:

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venturalakersfan wrote:
Accurate post, both LA teams are mediocre 5-8 seeds in the West. Both live by the star theory, big names are important in Tinseltown, even to the detriment of good team building. The Clippers never should have brought Kawhi back but it wasn’t like they could have just used that salary somewhere else. The top teams in the West don’t fear either team and the main difference is that Balmer will spend whatever he thinks it takes while the Buss kids are adverse to spending more.


The evidence says otherwise:

2020-21 - Clippers 139.7 Lakers 139.3
2021-22 - Clippers 168.3 Lakers 164.4
2022-23 - Clippers 192.3 Lakers 169.4
2023-24 - Clippers 201.4 Lakers 169.9
2024-25 - Clippers 175.5 Lakers 189.9 (GSW - 178.4)

As soon as Ballmer could cut payroll, he did. So did the "model ownership group" in Golden State. For every single franchise, winning is important only for how it drives profitability.

You don't spend whatever it takes to keep winning - you spend whatever it takes to keep the business profitable and build franchise value. There isn't a single owner in the Big 3 USA pro sports who's more ego driven than Mark Cuban . . . but once he saw the profitability model changing, he cashed out.


I got u on this one VLF, it’s prob the new CBA apron thing for this year
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 11:55 am    Post subject:

I've said all along we should have gotten Harden to take over for LBJ to play with AD when his value was low.

Now it's too late.

You have to get players when their value is low. Not wait until they become too expensive.

We should have tried to get Hartenstein too.

This is what Andrew Friedman does best. He identifies a player like Edman who is hurt or not doing well and gets them when they are cheap.

Getting Ohtani or Snell doesn't take skill but getting a player you don't expect is the hard part.

It's like if Friedman worked in basketball and got Ingram, you'd know it was probably the right choice.

Takes balls to make an unpopular decision when people generally think a players not that good or finished.
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governator wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Accurate post, both LA teams are mediocre 5-8 seeds in the West. Both live by the star theory, big names are important in Tinseltown, even to the detriment of good team building. The Clippers never should have brought Kawhi back but it wasn’t like they could have just used that salary somewhere else. The top teams in the West don’t fear either team and the main difference is that Balmer will spend whatever he thinks it takes while the Buss kids are adverse to spending more.


The evidence says otherwise:

2020-21 - Clippers 139.7 Lakers 139.3
2021-22 - Clippers 168.3 Lakers 164.4
2022-23 - Clippers 192.3 Lakers 169.4
2023-24 - Clippers 201.4 Lakers 169.9
2024-25 - Clippers 175.5 Lakers 189.9 (GSW - 178.4)

As soon as Ballmer could cut payroll, he did. So did the "model ownership group" in Golden State. For every single franchise, winning is important only for how it drives profitability.

You don't spend whatever it takes to keep winning - you spend whatever it takes to keep the business profitable and build franchise value. There isn't a single owner in the Big 3 USA pro sports who's more ego driven than Mark Cuban . . . but once he saw the profitability model changing, he cashed out.


I got u on this one VLF, it’s prob the new CBA apron thing for this year


If one thinks small and believes that the only spending that an owner does is player payroll. Of course that isn’t the case, there are long lists of people that an owner pays. Take scouting, the Clippers have 2 pro scouts, a college scout and an advanced scout, the Lakers have no one scouting other NBA teams. Teams are tied into a player payroll range but spending on other facets of the business is unlimited.
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venturalakersfan wrote:
governator wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Accurate post, both LA teams are mediocre 5-8 seeds in the West. Both live by the star theory, big names are important in Tinseltown, even to the detriment of good team building. The Clippers never should have brought Kawhi back but it wasn’t like they could have just used that salary somewhere else. The top teams in the West don’t fear either team and the main difference is that Balmer will spend whatever he thinks it takes while the Buss kids are adverse to spending more.


The evidence says otherwise:

2020-21 - Clippers 139.7 Lakers 139.3
2021-22 - Clippers 168.3 Lakers 164.4
2022-23 - Clippers 192.3 Lakers 169.4
2023-24 - Clippers 201.4 Lakers 169.9
2024-25 - Clippers 175.5 Lakers 189.9 (GSW - 178.4)

As soon as Ballmer could cut payroll, he did. So did the "model ownership group" in Golden State. For every single franchise, winning is important only for how it drives profitability.

You don't spend whatever it takes to keep winning - you spend whatever it takes to keep the business profitable and build franchise value. There isn't a single owner in the Big 3 USA pro sports who's more ego driven than Mark Cuban . . . but once he saw the profitability model changing, he cashed out.


I got u on this one VLF, it’s prob the new CBA apron thing for this year


If one thinks small and believes that the only spending that an owner does is player payroll. Of course that isn’t the case, there are long lists of people that an owner pays. Take scouting, the Clippers have 2 pro scouts, a college scout and an advanced scout, the Lakers have no one scouting other NBA teams. Teams are tied into a player payroll range but spending on other facets of the business is unlimited.


The usual BS:

LAKERS SCOUTING STAFF

Irving Thomas - Head Scout
Aaron Jackson - Scout
Elan Vinokurov - Scout
Sean Buss - Scout
Cal Pelister - International Scout
Antonio Maceiras - International Scout
Moses Zapata - Scout Support

Lakers have a staff of 202, with 7 involved in scouting. Clippers have a staff of 191, with 8 involved in scouting.

Ballmer needs to update his trolls' talking points.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 2:22 pm    Post subject:

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Clippers are tied with the Lakers record-wise, with 1 extra win and 1 extra loss.

The Clippers have built better teams. It's just pretty obvious to me.

It's pathetic how they've bettered or equaled the Lakers in the regular season despite all the time their stars have missed over the years.

With the Lakers failing miserably with their supporting casts over the years, I just can't help but look at them longingly with their balanced teams that plays defense.

They put together their team the same year and gave up MORE assets than the Lakers did to put their duo together.

They succeeded in putting together workable supporting casts, which I can't help but appreciate when I look at the Lakers.


Dude, you're the biggest "concern troll" on the board.

Just own the fact that you're a Clippers fan. You won't get banned.


100% he's not a Laker fan. Nothing but negativity from him.




I'm sorry if I'm getting tired of watching teams with lesser stars and lesser health luck outplay the Lakers.

LeBron declining has just brought out the "what ifs" in me again.

Out of 5 years now, the Lakers have had a workable supporting cast for 2 years, and competed for 1 year since the other year was injury-plagued.

The Clippers will always be the comparison to me because they put their team together the same year and faced EVERY handicap the Lakers faced, but didn't let that stop them from putting together the supporting casts.

I know they haven't won and the Lakers have, but that was based on what happened in the 2019 off-season, not what's happened since. It's also based on Kawhi and PG letting them down due to injury or play.

Watching the Clippers just makes it fully evident how awful the Lakers have been run ever since.

And, while they haven't won, I am envious that the Clippers aren't left with "what ifs." Their stars couldn't stay healthy and weren't good enough.

I hate that we have no idea what the declined, but still very good versions of LeBron/AD could've done. The Lakers squandered the only star power they've had since 2013 and WILL have for the foreseeable future.

The detractors could be right in thinking the Lakers wouldn't have won anyway, but we'll never know.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 3:37 pm    Post subject:

av3773 wrote:
I will say this, Lue for me has shown the Lakers made a mistake not bringing him...I like JJ and think he has a chance to be really good....Lue though seems to maximize whatever talent he has


But but but... NVM does not fit the Klutch run the Lakers narrative.
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Dr. Laker wrote:
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Dr. Laker wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Accurate post, both LA teams are mediocre 5-8 seeds in the West. Both live by the star theory, big names are important in Tinseltown, even to the detriment of good team building. The Clippers never should have brought Kawhi back but it wasn’t like they could have just used that salary somewhere else. The top teams in the West don’t fear either team and the main difference is that Balmer will spend whatever he thinks it takes while the Buss kids are adverse to spending more.


The evidence says otherwise:

2020-21 - Clippers 139.7 Lakers 139.3
2021-22 - Clippers 168.3 Lakers 164.4
2022-23 - Clippers 192.3 Lakers 169.4
2023-24 - Clippers 201.4 Lakers 169.9
2024-25 - Clippers 175.5 Lakers 189.9 (GSW - 178.4)

As soon as Ballmer could cut payroll, he did. So did the "model ownership group" in Golden State. For every single franchise, winning is important only for how it drives profitability.

You don't spend whatever it takes to keep winning - you spend whatever it takes to keep the business profitable and build franchise value. There isn't a single owner in the Big 3 USA pro sports who's more ego driven than Mark Cuban . . . but once he saw the profitability model changing, he cashed out.


I got u on this one VLF, it’s prob the new CBA apron thing for this year


If one thinks small and believes that the only spending that an owner does is player payroll. Of course that isn’t the case, there are long lists of people that an owner pays. Take scouting, the Clippers have 2 pro scouts, a college scout and an advanced scout, the Lakers have no one scouting other NBA teams. Teams are tied into a player payroll range but spending on other facets of the business is unlimited.


The usual BS:

LAKERS SCOUTING STAFF

Irving Thomas - Head Scout
Aaron Jackson - Scout
Elan Vinokurov - Scout
Sean Buss - Scout
Cal Pelister - International Scout
Antonio Maceiras - International Scout
Moses Zapata - Scout Support

Lakers have a staff of 202, with 7 involved in scouting. Clippers have a staff of 191, with 8 involved in scouting.

Ballmer needs to update his trolls' talking points.


Lol, u gotta update ur facts VLF
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