"Kawhi’s Agent in China “There might be some bad news, so let me give you a heads up. We’ll have to wait and see what happens during the Clippers’ media day.”"
I just want to say to everyone who had faith in Kawhi, that I told you so. I told you so. He was never going to lead anyone anywhere ever, his success at the Spurs was behind legends, his success at Toronto was because half of GSW was injured, he has the dickiest knee on the planet and a flaky personality.
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Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:58 pm Post subject:
drae wrote:
"Kawhi’s Agent in China “There might be some bad news, so let me give you a heads up. We’ll have to wait and see what happens during the Clippers’ media day.”"
I just want to say to everyone who had faith in Kawhi, that I told you so. I told you so. He was never going to lead anyone anywhere ever, his success at the Spurs was behind legends, his success at Toronto was because half of GSW was injured, he has the dickiest knee on the planet and a flaky personality.
I told you so.
What would have happened if we got him in 2019? _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
"Kawhi’s Agent in China “There might be some bad news, so let me give you a heads up. We’ll have to wait and see what happens during the Clippers’ media day.”"
I just want to say to everyone who had faith in Kawhi, that I told you so. I told you so. He was never going to lead anyone anywhere ever, his success at the Spurs was behind legends, his success at Toronto was because half of GSW was injured, he has the dickiest knee on the planet and a flaky personality.
I told you so.
People were actually saying he was better than Lebron James. The guy is a fraud as a competitor... always sitting out. Im not mad at him though. Get your money, put yourself before the team.
Clippers suck, but let's be fair here: both organizations are clown shows in their own way. The Anna Karenina principle legitimately applies to both LA organizations, and that's a bitter pill for me to swallow because we used to own them 99 out of a 100 times. It really is a race to the bottom for both teams this season.
It doesn't matter how they manage Kawhi this season. He's going to get hurt in any scenario, and it's not a matter of if, but when. There's just no way he'll ever be normal again. Toronto is lucky they had such a stellar supporting cast around him. _________________ Yi Jianlian Fanboy. Respect The Chair.
Starting anew. I'm retiring my main.
Clippers suck, but let's be fair here: both organizations are clown shows in their own way. The Anna Karenina principle legitimately applies to both LA organizations, and that's a bitter pill for me to swallow because we used to own them 99 out of a 100 times. It really is a race to the bottom for both teams this season.
It doesn't matter how they manage Kawhi this season. He's going to get hurt in any scenario, and it's not a matter of if, but when. There's just no way he'll ever be normal again. Toronto is lucky they had such a stellar supporting cast around him.
Let's be even more fair here. Tomorrow is the fifth anniversary of this historic thread and what's the score? Our Lakers with one championship and their Clippers with zero championships.
Clippers suck, but let's be fair here: both organizations are clown shows in their own way. The Anna Karenina principle legitimately applies to both LA organizations, and that's a bitter pill for me to swallow because we used to own them 99 out of a 100 times. It really is a race to the bottom for both teams this season.
It doesn't matter how they manage Kawhi this season. He's going to get hurt in any scenario, and it's not a matter of if, but when. There's just no way he'll ever be normal again. Toronto is lucky they had such a stellar supporting cast around him.
Let's be even more fair here. Tomorrow is the fifth anniversary of this historic thread and what's the score? Our Lakers with one championship and their Clippers with zero championships.
I wish I could agree with you, but a 5 year drought isn't anything to write home about. We can't keep clinging to the past while the organization crashes and burns due to incompetent and inept leadership. Worse than that we just hung up and celebrated a vanity IST banner, which is only something bottom of the barrel, poverty level franchises like the Clippers would do. If we don't see legitimate progress this year, I have no qualms with saying both of these franchises are garbage-tier and need massive ownership and organizational changes. _________________ Yi Jianlian Fanboy. Respect The Chair.
Starting anew. I'm retiring my main.
Clippers suck, but let's be fair here: both organizations are clown shows in their own way. The Anna Karenina principle legitimately applies to both LA organizations, and that's a bitter pill for me to swallow because we used to own them 99 out of a 100 times. It really is a race to the bottom for both teams this season.
It doesn't matter how they manage Kawhi this season. He's going to get hurt in any scenario, and it's not a matter of if, but when. There's just no way he'll ever be normal again. Toronto is lucky they had such a stellar supporting cast around him.
Let's be even more fair here. Tomorrow is the fifth anniversary of this historic thread and what's the score? Our Lakers with one championship and their Clippers with zero championships.
Don’t forget homegrown Reaves, Max and now Knecth, all are NBA caliber players _________________ “The main goal for the Lakers is to win a championship. All I care about, all we care about, is to raise another banner in the rafters.“
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Clippers suck, but let's be fair here: both organizations are clown shows in their own way. The Anna Karenina principle legitimately applies to both LA organizations, and that's a bitter pill for me to swallow because we used to own them 99 out of a 100 times. It really is a race to the bottom for both teams this season.
It doesn't matter how they manage Kawhi this season. He's going to get hurt in any scenario, and it's not a matter of if, but when. There's just no way he'll ever be normal again. Toronto is lucky they had such a stellar supporting cast around him.
Let's be even more fair here. Tomorrow is the fifth anniversary of this historic thread and what's the score? Our Lakers with one championship and their Clippers with zero championships.
I wish I could agree with you, but a 5 year drought isn't anything to write home about. We can't keep clinging to the past while the organization crashes and burns due to incompetent and inept leadership. Worse than that we just hung up and celebrated a vanity IST banner, which is only something bottom of the barrel, poverty level franchises like the Clippers would do. If we don't see legitimate progress this year, I have no qualms with saying both of these franchises are garbage-tier and need massive ownership and organizational changes.
You are spoiled. Back in the pre-salary cap days, the Lakers basically "bought" Dr. Buss' first 5 rings - one year they had DOUBLE the payroll of the next closest team. Once the cap kicked in and the Showtime players aged out, the Lakers, with Jerry West as GM, had an ELEVEN YEAR GAP between rings! There was an 8 year gap between the three-peat Lakers and the Kobe-Pau Championships, and another 9 until LeBron-Davis.
Overcoming the salary cap restrictions, free agency and other issues basically means that teams who don't get lucky in the draft will have an especially difficult time building a champion.
- Celtics got lucky in the draft, but went 15 years before ringing last year.
- Spurs, with the same front office group for 30 years, are in a 10 year drought. Even with Wemby now, it's going to be a few more years.
- Mavs are in a 14 year drought, have Luka, but don't appear to be close.
- Warriors won 4 in 8 years . . . do you see them winning again in the next 10 years?
- Raptors won 6 years ago and were the model franchise . . . no one even remembers them.
- Bucks went 50 years between rings, acquired Dame and their current 3-year drought may go on for 47 more.
Lord knows our FO has made some dumb moves (WB being chief among them), but there are very few fan bases happy with management in the NBA. Denver (like the 2019-20 Lakers) let key pieces to their championship team walk over $$$ and got bitten in the butt. Klay Thompson was expected to be a Warrior for life. Clippers mortgaged the future for PG13 and he walked away for nothing.
Building championship teams is a lot tougher now. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2024 10:33 am Post subject:
governator wrote:
joeblow wrote:
Denny_Russo wrote:
Clippers suck, but let's be fair here: both organizations are clown shows in their own way. The Anna Karenina principle legitimately applies to both LA organizations, and that's a bitter pill for me to swallow because we used to own them 99 out of a 100 times. It really is a race to the bottom for both teams this season.
It doesn't matter how they manage Kawhi this season. He's going to get hurt in any scenario, and it's not a matter of if, but when. There's just no way he'll ever be normal again. Toronto is lucky they had such a stellar supporting cast around him.
Let's be even more fair here. Tomorrow is the fifth anniversary of this historic thread and what's the score? Our Lakers with one championship and their Clippers with zero championships.
Don’t forget homegrown Reaves, Max and now Knecth, all are NBA caliber players
The jury is out on Christie and Knecth. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
I still think the Clippers did the right things, but PG and Kawhi themselves failed to live up to the standard, while LeBron and AD have lived up to the standard, but the Lakers failed to do the right things.
With stars still mattering the most, it's resulted in the Lakers winning while the Clippers didn't.
The Clippers would have multiple rings if they had LeBron and AD, and the Lakers would have been absolute disasters if they had Kawhi and PG instead.
The Clippers constantly tinkered with their team and improved the role players around them, willing to go into deep luxury tax until this off-season where the penalties stiffened.
The Lakers' young talent are ehh. Are any of these guys going to be significant post LeBron and AD? No. I don't think that should factor into things.
I'm taking the supporting casts the Clippers have put together 10/10 times.
I still think the Clippers did the right things, but PG and Kawhi themselves failed to live up to the standard, while LeBron and AD have lived up to the standard, but the Lakers failed to do the right things.
With stars still mattering the most, it's resulted in the Lakers winning while the Clippers didn't.
The Clippers would have multiple rings if they had LeBron and AD, and the Lakers would have been absolute disasters if they had Kawhi and PG instead.
The Clippers constantly tinkered with their team and improved the role players around them, willing to go into deep luxury tax until this off-season where the penalties stiffened.
The Lakers' young talent are ehh. Are any of these guys going to be significant post LeBron and AD? No. I don't think that should factor into things.
I'm taking the supporting casts the Clippers have put together 10/10 times.
Lol. Clippers pissed away draft picks like cheap beer and are in the worst scenario possible moving forward. How in the world did they do the right things? That supporting cast, which has gotten them nowhere, came at the cost of mortgaging their entire future. Starting this season they will be on a downhill trajectory with no real assets to bail them out and will look like the team Ballmer took over more than a decade ago. Meanwhile OKC is poised to go on a 5+ year run and are loaded with talent and a real chance to add another franchise talent with an unprotected pick thanks to Paul George who isn't even with the team anymore. I don't think you really understand how much they screwed themselves. They've made championship or bust moves for the past 5 seasons and I didn't see a championship
so what does that mean? The Clippers are the biggest example of mismanagement in the NBA since Billy King was running the Nets. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
I still think the Clippers did the right things, but PG and Kawhi themselves failed to live up to the standard, while LeBron and AD have lived up to the standard, but the Lakers failed to do the right things.
With stars still mattering the most, it's resulted in the Lakers winning while the Clippers didn't.
The Clippers would have multiple rings if they had LeBron and AD, and the Lakers would have been absolute disasters if they had Kawhi and PG instead.
The Clippers constantly tinkered with their team and improved the role players around them, willing to go into deep luxury tax until this off-season where the penalties stiffened.
The Lakers' young talent are ehh. Are any of these guys going to be significant post LeBron and AD? No. I don't think that should factor into things.
I'm taking the supporting casts the Clippers have put together 10/10 times.
I think the Clippers have acquired the right players at a reasonable price in the last few years. Their main issue is KL can never stay healthy and that's beyond their control. Despite that, they still decided to upgrade their lineup and sacrificed their future draft picks. This is a very different direction from ours. However, if that's their direction, they should have tried to retain PG13 at all costs.
With PG13 left, their championship window has closed. I think they will trade Harden before the trade deadline
I still think the Clippers did the right things, but PG and Kawhi themselves failed to live up to the standard, while LeBron and AD have lived up to the standard, but the Lakers failed to do the right things.
With stars still mattering the most, it's resulted in the Lakers winning while the Clippers didn't.
The Clippers would have multiple rings if they had LeBron and AD, and the Lakers would have been absolute disasters if they had Kawhi and PG instead.
The Clippers constantly tinkered with their team and improved the role players around them, willing to go into deep luxury tax until this off-season where the penalties stiffened.
The Lakers' young talent are ehh. Are any of these guys going to be significant post LeBron and AD? No. I don't think that should factor into things.
I'm taking the supporting casts the Clippers have put together 10/10 times.
Lol. Clippers pissed away draft picks like cheap beer and are in the worst scenario possible moving forward. How in the world did they do the right things? That supporting cast, which has gotten them nowhere, came at the cost of mortgaging their entire future. Starting this season they will be on a downhill trajectory with no real assets to bail them out and will look like the team Ballmer took over more than a decade ago. Meanwhile OKC is poised to go on a 5+ year run and are loaded with talent and a real chance to add another franchise talent with an unprotected pick thanks to Paul George who isn't even with the team anymore. I don't think you really understand how much they screwed themselves. They've made championship or bust moves for the past 5 seasons and I didn't see a championship
so what does that mean? The Clippers are the biggest example of mismanagement in the NBA since Billy King was running the Nets.
Again, you're just looking at the end result.
ALL of their failures are based around getting Kawhi and PG and them failing to stay healthy. They also didn't play good enough in the 1 opportunity they had.
Outside of that, I'm just saying that the Clippers have done a good job getting the supporting cast up and running, while the Lakers haven't. And, it's actually more impressive that they got those supporting casts despite giving up more picks when they got Kawhi and PG.
It just hasn't mattered for the Clippers since their stars haven't held up their end of the bargain.
The Lakers' success over the Clippers is based on having superior stars and making the superior star trade when they got LeBron and AD, not the management of their teams over the years.
And while it's nice that the Lakers did win a championship, it makes me sad knowing the Lakers could've have more years of contention had they managed their supporting cast better.
ALL of their failures are based around getting Kawhi and PG and them failing to stay healthy. They also didn't play good enough in the 1 opportunity they had.
Outside of that, I'm just saying that the Clippers have done a good job getting the supporting cast up and running, while the Lakers haven't. And, it's actually more impressive that they got those supporting casts despite giving up more picks when they got Kawhi and PG.
It just hasn't mattered for the Clippers since their stars haven't held up their end of the bargain.
The Lakers' success over the Clippers is based on having superior stars and making the superior star trade when they got LeBron and AD, not the management of their teams over the years.
And while it's nice that the Lakers did win a championship, it makes me sad knowing the Lakers could've have more years of contention had they managed their supporting cast better.
This is an incredible spin job. The process and the end result are both disastrous. Again they've made championship or bust moves year after year. Meaning they went all in knowing there would be no light at the end of the tunnel and expecting to win it all to make it worthwhile. Now they're back to square one right where they were when Ballmer first got there except now they have absolutely no assets. And somehow trying to discredit the Lakers because they made better star acquisitions and still have assets moving forward? _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
ALL of their failures are based around getting Kawhi and PG and them failing to stay healthy. They also didn't play good enough in the 1 opportunity they had.
Outside of that, I'm just saying that the Clippers have done a good job getting the supporting cast up and running, while the Lakers haven't. And, it's actually more impressive that they got those supporting casts despite giving up more picks when they got Kawhi and PG.
It just hasn't mattered for the Clippers since their stars haven't held up their end of the bargain.
The Lakers' success over the Clippers is based on having superior stars and making the superior star trade when they got LeBron and AD, not the management of their teams over the years.
And while it's nice that the Lakers did win a championship, it makes me sad knowing the Lakers could've have more years of contention had they managed their supporting cast better.
This is an incredible spin job. The process and the end result are both disastrous. Again they've made championship or bust moves year after year. Meaning they went all in knowing there would be no light at the end of the tunnel and expecting to win it all to make it worthwhile. Now they're back to square one right where they were when Ballmer first got there except now they have absolutely no assets. And somehow trying to discredit the Lakers because they made better star acquisitions and still have assets moving forward?
Don't bother engaging with that poster. Look at my sig. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
there biggest fail was the bubble. lou Williams said no one wanted to be there and said no one would take the championship seriously, so they all checked out.
"Lou Williams Said The Clippers Basically Gave Up Trying To Win a Title In The Bubble Because They Thought No One Would Respect Their Ring." _________________ Kobe.
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^That's legitimately one of the most pathetic things I've ever heard, which is par for the course for that franchise. It's no surprise that the Lemon Pepper Lou episode basically ended his NBA career at 33 years old.
They lost because they got their (bleep) kicked in by the Nuggets. Instead of using it as motivation, year after year they've come back and put in half-assed effort. Remember when Paul George randomly got COVID in the play-in round? The Clippers' players have only cared about one thing: Ballmer's money. For lack of a better analogy, the Clippers are the unattractive daughter of a stinking rich dad, and their players are all opportunistic suitors.
^That's legitimately one of the most pathetic things I've ever heard, which is par for the course for that franchise. It's no surprise that the Lemon Pepper Lou episode basically ended his NBA career at 33 years old.
They lost because they got their (bleep) kicked in by the Nuggets. Instead of using it as motivation, year after year they've come back and put in half-assed effort. Remember when Paul George randomly got COVID in the play-in round? The Clippers' players have only cared about one thing: Ballmer's money. For lack of a better analogy, the Clippers are the unattractive daughter of a stinking rich dad, and their players are all opportunistic suitors.
ALL of their failures are based around getting Kawhi and PG and them failing to stay healthy. They also didn't play good enough in the 1 opportunity they had.
Outside of that, I'm just saying that the Clippers have done a good job getting the supporting cast up and running, while the Lakers haven't. And, it's actually more impressive that they got those supporting casts despite giving up more picks when they got Kawhi and PG.
It just hasn't mattered for the Clippers since their stars haven't held up their end of the bargain.
The Lakers' success over the Clippers is based on having superior stars and making the superior star trade when they got LeBron and AD, not the management of their teams over the years.
And while it's nice that the Lakers did win a championship, it makes me sad knowing the Lakers could've have more years of contention had they managed their supporting cast better.
This is an incredible spin job. The process and the end result are both disastrous. Again they've made championship or bust moves year after year. Meaning they went all in knowing there would be no light at the end of the tunnel and expecting to win it all to make it worthwhile. Now they're back to square one right where they were when Ballmer first got there except now they have absolutely no assets. And somehow trying to discredit the Lakers because they made better star acquisitions and still have assets moving forward?
Asset management? They've wasted picks on Dennis Schroder, Russell Westbrook, and arguably DLo and Vando. They let Caruso walk for nothing. They've made bad draft picks with they picks they've kept.
Overall, they haven't even improved upon the supporting cast that won it all in 2020 when they needed to keep improving upon it every year to offset the decline of LeBron.
Looking at JUST the supporting cast moves both teams have made since putting their stars together, I don't think it's even a question the Clippers have done a better job.
ALL of the Clippers problems happened when they recruited an unreliable star in FA(Kawhi) and gave up a future superstar and a lot of picks for PG. An all-time terrible move for sure.
But move for move since that, the Clippers have been better. LeBron and AD would have been competing for titles if they were in PG's and Kawhi's places these last few seasons.
Overall, you can't erase the 2019 moves and the Clippers are where they are right now because of that.
I'm just pointing out that the Lakers aren't in a good position themselves right now because they didn't do something the Clippers have been able to do over the years.
This topic is about comparing the 2 teams after all.
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Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2024 11:43 am Post subject:
lakersfan8 wrote:
Japago wrote:
I still think the Clippers did the right things, but PG and Kawhi themselves failed to live up to the standard, while LeBron and AD have lived up to the standard, but the Lakers failed to do the right things.
With stars still mattering the most, it's resulted in the Lakers winning while the Clippers didn't.
The Clippers would have multiple rings if they had LeBron and AD, and the Lakers would have been absolute disasters if they had Kawhi and PG instead.
The Clippers constantly tinkered with their team and improved the role players around them, willing to go into deep luxury tax until this off-season where the penalties stiffened.
The Lakers' young talent are ehh. Are any of these guys going to be significant post LeBron and AD? No. I don't think that should factor into things.
I'm taking the supporting casts the Clippers have put together 10/10 times.
I think the Clippers have acquired the right players at a reasonable price in the last few years. Their main issue is KL can never stay healthy and that's beyond their control. Despite that, they still decided to upgrade their lineup and sacrificed their future draft picks. This is a very different direction from ours. However, if that's their direction, they should have tried to retain PG13 at all costs.
With PG13 left, their championship window has closed. I think they will trade Harden before the trade deadline
What’s amazing is Kawhi was only healthy for ONE playoffs his entire time with the Clippers— during the bubble.
2021– Tore ACL in second round against Jazz
2022– Still recovering from that injury and missed whole season
2023– Torn meniscus in first round against Suns after two games
2024– Knee inflammation in first round against Mavericks after two games
I wonder if Clippers would have won a ring if they had signed Butler instead of Kawhi. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2024 1:36 pm Post subject:
Halflife wrote:
levon wrote:
^That's legitimately one of the most pathetic things I've ever heard, which is par for the course for that franchise. It's no surprise that the Lemon Pepper Lou episode basically ended his NBA career at 33 years old.
They lost because they got their (bleep) kicked in by the Nuggets. Instead of using it as motivation, year after year they've come back and put in half-assed effort. Remember when Paul George randomly got COVID in the play-in round? The Clippers' players have only cared about one thing: Ballmer's money. For lack of a better analogy, the Clippers are the unattractive daughter of a stinking rich dad, and their players are all opportunistic suitors.
lous the man, but yeah. probably best to play through even though its got a huge asterisk.
That bubble was probably the greediest thing I’ve seen in sports, and that’s saying a lot. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
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Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2024 2:31 pm Post subject:
Halflife wrote:
levon wrote:
^That's legitimately one of the most pathetic things I've ever heard, which is par for the course for that franchise. It's no surprise that the Lemon Pepper Lou episode basically ended his NBA career at 33 years old.
They lost because they got their (bleep) kicked in by the Nuggets. Instead of using it as motivation, year after year they've come back and put in half-assed effort. Remember when Paul George randomly got COVID in the play-in round? The Clippers' players have only cared about one thing: Ballmer's money. For lack of a better analogy, the Clippers are the unattractive daughter of a stinking rich dad, and their players are all opportunistic suitors.
lous the man, but yeah. probably best to play through even though its got a huge asterisk.
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Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2024 2:54 pm Post subject:
The Clippers somehow don’t even own their own pick (without another team having the right to swap) until 2030. So they can’t even tank. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
The Clippers somehow don’t even own their own pick (without another team having the right to swap) until 2030. So they can’t even tank.
You're just looking at the end result. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
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