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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 9:48 pm    Post subject:

Teams that haven’t scored over 30 points in 2024-2025 (as of week 17):

Patriots: 3-13
Raiders: 4-12
Chiefs: 15-1
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Eagles will grind Chiefs with their running game but at worst it will be good to see Mahomes on pace to pass that cheater Brady
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Watching sports shows Get Up & FirstTake this morning saying Josh Allen got the inches needed for a 1st down I conceed. I still haven't seen enough to overturn the call on the field but with so many saying he got the first I'm going to relent. I also understand why the call was upheld because the rule is if there isn't enough to overturn the call it stands.
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Watching sports shows this morning most are saying Josh Allen got the inches needed for a 1st down. I still haven't seen enough to overturn the call on the field but with so many saying he got the first I'm going to concede. I also understand why the call was upheld because the rule is if there isn't enough to overturn the call it stands.


It was clear from the angle I mentioned before that the ball had reached the first down marker, as Seratore said during the broadcast.

This wasn’t a case of not being enough to overturn the call. It was a case of the refs making the call they wanted to make. Same for the bogus unnecessary roughness call on the Mahomes TD and that alleged reception that clearly was not a catch.

And you can save us all the “I’m not a Chiefs fan” nonsense. No one rides their jock harder than you. Whenever someone criticizes them, you jump in to defend them; “they aren’t lucky, they just know how to win”, “they don’t beat themselves” etc. . . . and then there’s the fact that you announce that you want them to threepeat just about every hour on the hour every single day.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:44 am    Post subject:

the media calling out the chiefs gifts are nothing new- unfortunately refs/NFL know that ESPN will always follow it up with "but it didn't matter" because the NFL pays all of those guys.

it was blatant cheating but that's their legacy. I hate the eagles, but maybe I can push that aside for a day.

The NFL desperately needs Mahomes to catch brady.
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Watching sports shows Get Up & FirstTake this morning saying Josh Allen got the inches needed for a 1st down I conceed. I still haven't seen enough to overturn the call on the field but with so many saying he got the first I'm going to relent. I also understand why the call was upheld because the rule is if there isn't enough to overturn the call it stands.


that's the beauty of the cheating under video replay rules. once a call is made on the field, it's up to the video replay to produce evidence the other outcome was 100% visible. the replay yesterday did not have to show Allan fall short of the 1st down mark, it had to show him clearly made the 1st down mark. which is why the call on the field basically dictates the outcome of the replay review 99% of the time.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 8:16 am    Post subject:

Getting the breaks is always an advantage, and besides the literal game of inches call, the fumble/interception call went to the Chiefs. They were the better team but they also seem to win on the breaks as well.
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jodeke wrote:
Watching sports shows Get Up & FirstTake this morning saying Josh Allen got the inches needed for a 1st down I conceed. I still haven't seen enough to overturn the call on the field but with so many saying he got the first I'm going to relent. I also understand why the call was upheld because the rule is if there isn't enough to overturn the call it stands.


that's the beauty of the cheating under video replay rules. once a call is made on the field, it's up to the video replay to produce evidence the other outcome was 100% visible. the replay yesterday did not have to show Allan fall short of the 1st down mark, it had to show him clearly made the 1st down mark. which is why the call on the field basically dictates the outcome of the replay review 99% of the time.


And this is the flaw of the NFL replay system. It isn't like tennis where the computer determines whether the outcome is right or wrong. The NFL replay system has to find enough to overcome the human error.....
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 8:34 am    Post subject:

I don't care what team wins. I have no emotional investment in either team. My dad is from Philadelphia so I will lean towards them even though they have one the most annoying fan bases.
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jodeke wrote:
Watching sports shows Get Up & FirstTake this morning saying Josh Allen got the inches needed for a 1st down I conceed. I still haven't seen enough to overturn the call on the field but with so many saying he got the first I'm going to relent. I also understand why the call was upheld because the rule is if there isn't enough to overturn the call it stands.


that's the beauty of the cheating under video replay rules. once a call is made on the field, it's up to the video replay to produce evidence the other outcome was 100% visible. the replay yesterday did not have to show Allan fall short of the 1st down mark, it had to show him clearly made the 1st down mark. which is why the call on the field basically dictates the outcome of the replay review 99% of the time.


And this is the flaw of the NFL replay system. It isn't like tennis where the computer determines whether the outcome is right or wrong. The NFL replay system has to find enough to overcome the human error.....


And then there’s the additional layer of human “error” (and potential bias) that it is another group of humans evaluating the video in NY. And if bias is in play and the call on the field is intentionally incorrect, the league has the perfect excuse to “confirm” it or claim the video evidence is “inconclusive”.

Regardless of how deep the bias in favor of the Chiefs does or doesn’t go, the league clearly has a perception problem given how widespread the belief that the favoritism exists amongst fans and the media. It’s an undeniable case of where there’s some, there is likely fire.
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Watching sports shows this morning most are saying Josh Allen got the inches needed for a 1st down. I still haven't seen enough to overturn the call on the field but with so many saying he got the first I'm going to concede. I also understand why the call was upheld because the rule is if there isn't enough to overturn the call it stands.


It was clear from the angle I mentioned before that the ball had reached the first down marker, as Seratore said during the broadcast.

I'll ask you again, show me the angle.

This wasn’t a case of not being enough to overturn the call. It was a case of the refs making the call they wanted to make. Same for the bogus unnecessary roughness call on the Mahomes TD and that alleged reception that clearly was not a catch.

I'm not on the conspiracy bus.

And you can save us all the “I’m not a Chiefs fan” nonsense. No one rides their jock harder than you. Whenever someone criticizes them, you jump in to defend them;they aren’t lucky, they just know how to win”, “they don’t beat themselves” etc. . . . and then there’s the fact that you announce that you want them to threepeat just about every hour on the hour every single day.

That's me saying what Swagu, RC, Shay Shay, and other football players say. I believe more in their observations than I do fans.

I prefaced those announcements with I want to witness history, something you gloss over. I wanted to see Saquon break Dickerson's all time single season rushing record to be a witness to history. Again, I'm not a fan of the Chiefs or their leader, I want to witness history. Whether you believe that or not is inconsequential.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 8:57 am    Post subject:

I have nothing against the Eagles but I'll be rooting for the Chiefs. I just hope it's a good game.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 9:08 am    Post subject:

ESPN can not gas the blatant cheating because they are partners. ESPN can mention it but have to follow it up with”but the chiefs are better etc.” We only know the chiefs were better because the cheating was in their favor.

If I’m the eagles I make the 15yard roughing the passer calls early in the game count because we know their will be at least one.
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jodeke wrote:
Watching sports shows Get Up & FirstTake this morning saying Josh Allen got the inches needed for a 1st down I conceed. I still haven't seen enough to overturn the call on the field but with so many saying he got the first I'm going to relent. I also understand why the call was upheld because the rule is if there isn't enough to overturn the call it stands.


that's the beauty of the cheating under video replay rules. once a call is made on the field, it's up to the video replay to produce evidence the other outcome was 100% visible. the replay yesterday did not have to show Allan fall short of the 1st down mark, it had to show him clearly made the 1st down mark. which is why the call on the field basically dictates the outcome of the replay review 99% of the time.


And this is the flaw of the NFL replay system. It isn't like tennis where the computer determines whether the outcome is right or wrong. The NFL replay system has to find enough to overcome the human error.....


Rules are rules. It's a flawed system. I hope TPTB is looking into implementing fixes.
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Getting the breaks is always an advantage, and besides the literal game of inches call, the fumble/interception call went to the Chiefs. They were the better team but they also seem to win on the breaks as well.


I don't know that the idea the Chiefs were "the better team" tracks when the game was a very competitive nail-biter with several lead changes and where the other team was an incomplete pass away from possibly winning, especially it is acknowledged that the Chiefs were getting all the breaks.

Regardless of whether there was favorable officiating or not, in a game that close and competitive, I wouldn't say the Chiefs were the better team, they were just the one with the lead when time expired.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 9:46 am    Post subject:

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I have nothing against the Eagles but I'll be rooting for the Chiefs. I just hope it's a good game.


I won't be rooting for the Chiefs but I want to witness history. I also want to see Saquon get a ring. I lean more toward the Chiefs because an NFL 3peat has never been done. They are difficult to achieve. The last professional team to do it was Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O'Neal and the Los Angeles Lakers, who won NBA championships in 2000, 2001, and 2002.

It can be argued the Green Bay Packers 3peted because they won the last NFL Championship game in 1965 and the first two Super Bowls in 1966 and 1967
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ESPN can not gas the blatant cheating because they are partners. ESPN can mention it but have to follow it up with”but the chiefs are better etc.” We only know the chiefs were better because the cheating was in their favor.

If I’m the eagles I make the 15yard roughing the passer calls early in the game count because we know their will be at least one.


and make the hit fit the penalty. not those half arse borderline varieties.
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Getting the breaks is always an advantage, and besides the literal game of inches call, the fumble/interception call went to the Chiefs. They were the better team but they also seem to win on the breaks as well.


I don't know that the idea the Chiefs were "the better team" tracks when the game was a very competitive nail-biter with several lead changes and where the other team was an incomplete pass away from possibly winning, especially it is acknowledged that the Chiefs were getting all the breaks.

Regardless of whether there was favorable officiating or not, in a game that close and competitive, I wouldn't say the Chiefs were the better team, they were just the one with the lead when time expired.


I would agree with you, up to the last 6 minutes or so. The last six minutes, the men separated from the boys, so to speak, both offensively and defensively.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:34 am    Post subject:

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People certainly see what they want to see.


https://x.com/NFL_Memes/status/1883702112493985946

What do you see here?


I see a cherry picked still photo of a live play. What someone wants to see.

Edit: I saw the video elsewhere and it is easy to see why it wasn’t called a first down. Josh seems to have a habit of backing into plays and the ball is in the wrong place. You can say it was good by a few inches or that is is short by a few inches. There was nothing definitive.
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Getting the breaks is always an advantage, and besides the literal game of inches call, the fumble/interception call went to the Chiefs. They were the better team but they also seem to win on the breaks as well.


The Bills got some breaks during the game as did the Chiefs. Refs are human and make mistakes, replay helps but the league has made more and more rules because of fan outrage, to the point that it is almost impossible to call the game. But saying that the league purposely calls games to benefit one team is to admit that you have no idea how to run a billion dollar corporation. Because being proven to fix games would be destroying the money making machine. The NFL can’t allow that.
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Getting the breaks is always an advantage, and besides the literal game of inches call, the fumble/interception call went to the Chiefs. They were the better team but they also seem to win on the breaks as well.


The Bills got some breaks during the game as did the Chiefs. Refs are human and make mistakes, replay helps but the league has made more and more rules because of fan outrage, to the point that it is almost impossible to call the game. But saying that the league purposely calls games to benefit one team is to admit that you have no idea how to run a billion dollar corporation. Because being proven to fix games would be destroying the money making machine. The NFL can’t allow that.


There is a difference between getting the breaks and saying the league is trying to advantage the Chiefs, if that is what you think I am saying.
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Eagles will grind Chiefs with their running game but at worst it will be good to see Mahomes on pace to pass that cheater Brady


Mahomes is retiring with 8 plus SB rings. No team is stopping them in the next five years.
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Getting the breaks is always an advantage, and besides the literal game of inches call, the fumble/interception call went to the Chiefs. They were the better team but they also seem to win on the breaks as well.


The Bills got some breaks during the game as did the Chiefs. Refs are human and make mistakes, replay helps but the league has made more and more rules because of fan outrage, to the point that it is almost impossible to call the game. But saying that the league purposely calls games to benefit one team is to admit that you have no idea how to run a billion dollar corporation. Because being proven to fix games would be destroying the money making machine. The NFL can’t allow that.


There is a difference between getting the breaks and saying the league is trying to advantage the Chiefs, if that is what you think I am saying.


No, I probably incorrectly replied to your post, I don’t believe you were saying that. It’s an incorrectly placed opinion.
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Eagles will grind Chiefs with their running game but at worst it will be good to see Mahomes on pace to pass that cheater Brady


Mahomes is retiring with 8 plus SB rings. No team is stopping them in the next five years.


To pass Terrible Tom, Patrick may have to play at a high level well into his 40s. Some records are almost impossible to break. The Celtics 8 championship in a row, Joe DiMaggio — 56-game hitting streak, Floyd Mayweather — 50-0, Nolan Ryan — 7 no-hitters to mention a few. Key term almost. I don't think Mahomes will do it.
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Eagles will grind Chiefs with their running game but at worst it will be good to see Mahomes on pace to pass that cheater Brady


Mahomes is retiring with 8 plus SB rings. No team is stopping them in the next five years.


To pass Terrible Tom, Patrick may have to play at a high level well into his 40s. Some records are almost impossible to break. The Celtics 8 championship in a row, Joe DiMaggio — 56-game hitting streak, Floyd Mayweather — 50-0, Nolan Ryan — 7 no-hitters to mention a few. Key term almost. I don't think Mahomes will do it.


Hes got 3 so far and likely will get his fourth in two weeks. How many does Brady has? 7? I think is doable.
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