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New England offense is inept, perhaps the game has (dare I say) passed Belichick by?
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New England offense is inept, perhaps the game has (dare I say) passed Belichick by?


He was lucky that Brady gave him a couple extra years of relevance.
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New England offense is inept, perhaps the game has (dare I say) passed Belichick by?


He was lucky that Brady gave him a couple extra years of relevance.


I think Brady was more responsible for NE's success than Belichick.
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New England offense is inept, perhaps the game has (dare I say) passed Belichick by?


He was lucky that Brady gave him a couple extra years of relevance.


I think Brady was more responsible for NE's success than Belichick.


It was definitely a combination in the early days, but Brady’s skill definitely added to Belicheck’s longevity ovee the years . . . Along with Pete Carroll’s dumbasserie in SB XLIX. 😉
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Brady proved he was the key to NE's dominance when he left and won in TB. But at this point, I think the league would've passed him by as well.

He was never very mobile. And although he was great at improvising at the line of scrimmage with hot routes and audibles. The way the best QBs can improvise now, in the middle of plays. I think its a new evolution.
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Watching Patricheats lose never gets old.
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Chargers 0-2.


Good news... whatever helps fire Rat Face Staley.

My prediction by week 10-12 if the Chargers are out of a playoff spot, they fire his ass (yes the cheap Spanos family will do that) and give Kellen Moore a 5-6 game audition.


I would do that right now if I am the Chargers.

Staley isn't the answer unless the question is what current coach is least likely to lead his team to a Super Bowl win this year or in the future.


The Chargers really are incredible, in a bad way. They just keep inventing new ways to lose. It's truly astonishing. Last week's coaching blunders and, in my view, Herbert not being good enough were mentioned. I think they became the first team in NFL history (last week) to rush for over 200 yards, hold their opponent to under 100 yards rushing, not turn the ball over, and lose. Out of 212 instances, they were the first to lose! OK, so now, after two weeks, the Chargers became only the 33rd team in the Super Bowl era (since 1966) to score 50 or more points in the first 2 weeks, along with not committing a single turnover, and still losing their first 2 games. I didn't notice any obvious Staley blunders today, but I'll again look at Herbert, the $52MM a year QB. Chargers driving late, TD wins it, FG ties it. It's 3rd and 3 with the goal line in sight. Herbert has time initially. Ends up taking the sack. They have to settle for the tying FG. Doesn't even give a receiver a chance to make a play to win the game. Great QB's have a knack for making something happen in these spots. Either make the right throw quickly, or buy enough time where you don't get sacked, or, god forbid, maybe even run for a first down or a TD. There's an art to that stuff.

OK, now it goes to OT. Chargers win the toss, awesome, right? Well, Herbert throws 3 straight incompletions for a 3-and-out. The great ones just make things happen when they need to. Oh, by the way, Derek Carr got 9.2 YPA against this poor Titans secondary last week, and this week, the Titans were even down 2 starters from that unit. Herbert wasn't awful, but he got 7.4 YPA against them, another pedestrian number. I don't want to hear that he doesn't have good enough receivers, or good enough offensive coaching. I'm running out of excuses for this guy. I don't think he's a winning player.
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The Chargers really are incredible, in a bad way. They just keep inventing new ways to lose. It's truly astonishing. Last week's coaching blunders and, in my view, Herbert not being good enough were mentioned. I think they became the first team in NFL history (last week) to rush for over 200 yards, hold their opponent to under 100 yards rushing, not turn the ball over, and lose. Out of 212 instances, they were the first to lose! OK, so now, after two weeks, the Chargers became only the 33rd team in the Super Bowl era (since 1966) to score 50 or more points in the first 2 weeks, along with not committing a single turnover, and still losing their first 2 games. I didn't notice any obvious Staley blunders today, but I'll again look at Herbert, the $52MM a year QB. Chargers driving late, TD wins it, FG ties it. It's 3rd and 3 with the goal line in sight. Herbert has time initially. Ends up taking the sack. They have to settle for the tying FG. Doesn't even give a receiver a chance to make a play to win the game. Great QB's have a knack for making something happen in these spots. Either make the right throw quickly, or buy enough time where you don't get sacked, or, god forbid, maybe even run for a first down or a TD. There's an art to that stuff.

OK, now it goes to OT. Chargers win the toss, awesome, right? Well, Herbert throws 3 straight incompletions for a 3-and-out. The great ones just make things happen when they need to. Oh, by the way, Derek Carr got 9.2 YPA against this poor Titans secondary last week, and this week, the Titans were even down 2 starters from that unit. Herbert wasn't awful, but he got 7.4 YPA against them, another pedestrian number. I don't want to hear that he doesn't have good enough receivers, or good enough offensive coaching. I'm running out of excuses for this guy. I don't think he's a winning player.

I wouldn't be quick to say Herbert isn't a winning player. He has come through before in the clutch, especially in third and fourth down situations. He did just about everything in his power to give them a chance to win in Week 18 in 2021 versus the Raiders, for example.

But yeah, the Chargers sometimes make it hard for us to love them. I wish they would've gone after Sean Payton. You could make an argument the Chargers have more talent than the Broncos, who are also 0-2.
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Looks like the NFC is a 3 horse race between PHI, DAL, and SF.

With the Bengals at 0-2 and Burrow playing on a gimpy calf, Aaron Rodgers out for the year and Kansas City looking wobbly, PHI, DAL and SF may be the three best teams in the entire league right now.
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Big division win by the Colts (bet on it too )! Hoping AR is okay, and he really needs to understand the NFL is totally different from college. You can tell NFL players intentionally try to injure QBs every game, so, as a QB, you need to either avoid the hit and/or deal out some punishment of your own instead of assuming the defenders will be so intimidated or in awe of you that they'll just let you walk in for TDs.
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MNF back on ABC for rest of 2023 season because of the Hollywood strike.
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New England offense is inept, perhaps the game has (dare I say) passed Belichick by?


He was lucky that Brady gave him a couple extra years of relevance.


I think Brady was more responsible for NE's success than Belichick.


It was definitely a combination in the early days, but Brady’s skill definitely added to Belicheck’s longevity ovee the years . . . Along with Pete Carroll’s dumbasserie in SB XLIX. 😉


The world thought Marshawn Lynch would get the ball and the Seahawks would be SB XLIX Champions. Seattle hasn't been the same since that debacle. I think (maybe) Lynch would still be playing and Seattle would be the team it was if he'd gotten the ball. I parenthesized (maybe) because of the Russel Wilson diva revelations.
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The Chargers really are incredible, in a bad way. They just keep inventing new ways to lose. It's truly astonishing. Last week's coaching blunders and, in my view, Herbert not being good enough were mentioned. I think they became the first team in NFL history (last week) to rush for over 200 yards, hold their opponent to under 100 yards rushing, not turn the ball over, and lose. Out of 212 instances, they were the first to lose! OK, so now, after two weeks, the Chargers became only the 33rd team in the Super Bowl era (since 1966) to score 50 or more points in the first 2 weeks, along with not committing a single turnover, and still losing their first 2 games. I didn't notice any obvious Staley blunders today, but I'll again look at Herbert, the $52MM a year QB. Chargers driving late, TD wins it, FG ties it. It's 3rd and 3 with the goal line in sight. Herbert has time initially. Ends up taking the sack. They have to settle for the tying FG. Doesn't even give a receiver a chance to make a play to win the game. Great QB's have a knack for making something happen in these spots. Either make the right throw quickly, or buy enough time where you don't get sacked, or, god forbid, maybe even run for a first down or a TD. There's an art to that stuff.

OK, now it goes to OT. Chargers win the toss, awesome, right? Well, Herbert throws 3 straight incompletions for a 3-and-out. The great ones just make things happen when they need to. Oh, by the way, Derek Carr got 9.2 YPA against this poor Titans secondary last week, and this week, the Titans were even down 2 starters from that unit. Herbert wasn't awful, but he got 7.4 YPA against them, another pedestrian number. I don't want to hear that he doesn't have good enough receivers, or good enough offensive coaching. I'm running out of excuses for this guy. I don't think he's a winning player.

I wouldn't be quick to say Herbert isn't a winning player. He has come through before in the clutch, especially in third and fourth down situations. He did just about everything in his power to give them a chance to win in Week 18 in 2021 versus the Raiders, for example.

But yeah, the Chargers sometimes make it hard for us to love them. I wish they would've gone after Sean Payton. You could make an argument the Chargers have more talent than the Broncos, who are also 0-2.


Also saw this on Twitter this morning:

"The Chargers have had 6 possessions in the 4th quarter/OT with a chance to create a two-score lead or win it at the end. They're 0/6 on those closer drives and, as a result, 0-2."
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The Chargers really are incredible, in a bad way. They just keep inventing new ways to lose. It's truly astonishing. Last week's coaching blunders and, in my view, Herbert not being good enough were mentioned. I think they became the first team in NFL history (last week) to rush for over 200 yards, hold their opponent to under 100 yards rushing, not turn the ball over, and lose. Out of 212 instances, they were the first to lose! OK, so now, after two weeks, the Chargers became only the 33rd team in the Super Bowl era (since 1966) to score 50 or more points in the first 2 weeks, along with not committing a single turnover, and still losing their first 2 games. I didn't notice any obvious Staley blunders today, but I'll again look at Herbert, the $52MM a year QB. Chargers driving late, TD wins it, FG ties it. It's 3rd and 3 with the goal line in sight. Herbert has time initially. Ends up taking the sack. They have to settle for the tying FG. Doesn't even give a receiver a chance to make a play to win the game. Great QB's have a knack for making something happen in these spots. Either make the right throw quickly, or buy enough time where you don't get sacked, or, god forbid, maybe even run for a first down or a TD. There's an art to that stuff.

OK, now it goes to OT. Chargers win the toss, awesome, right? Well, Herbert throws 3 straight incompletions for a 3-and-out. The great ones just make things happen when they need to. Oh, by the way, Derek Carr got 9.2 YPA against this poor Titans secondary last week, and this week, the Titans were even down 2 starters from that unit. Herbert wasn't awful, but he got 7.4 YPA against them, another pedestrian number. I don't want to hear that he doesn't have good enough receivers, or good enough offensive coaching. I'm running out of excuses for this guy. I don't think he's a winning player.

I wouldn't be quick to say Herbert isn't a winning player. He has come through before in the clutch, especially in third and fourth down situations. He did just about everything in his power to give them a chance to win in Week 18 in 2021 versus the Raiders, for example.

But yeah, the Chargers sometimes make it hard for us to love them. I wish they would've gone after Sean Payton. You could make an argument the Chargers have more talent than the Broncos, who are also 0-2.


Also saw this on Twitter this morning:

"The Chargers have had 6 possessions in the 4th quarter/OT with a chance to create a two-score lead or win it at the end. They're 0/6 on those closer drives and, as a result, 0-2."


How much of Herbert's problems do you think can be OC and HC mismanagement?
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The Chargers really are incredible, in a bad way. They just keep inventing new ways to lose. It's truly astonishing. Last week's coaching blunders and, in my view, Herbert not being good enough were mentioned. I think they became the first team in NFL history (last week) to rush for over 200 yards, hold their opponent to under 100 yards rushing, not turn the ball over, and lose. Out of 212 instances, they were the first to lose! OK, so now, after two weeks, the Chargers became only the 33rd team in the Super Bowl era (since 1966) to score 50 or more points in the first 2 weeks, along with not committing a single turnover, and still losing their first 2 games. I didn't notice any obvious Staley blunders today, but I'll again look at Herbert, the $52MM a year QB. Chargers driving late, TD wins it, FG ties it. It's 3rd and 3 with the goal line in sight. Herbert has time initially. Ends up taking the sack. They have to settle for the tying FG. Doesn't even give a receiver a chance to make a play to win the game. Great QB's have a knack for making something happen in these spots. Either make the right throw quickly, or buy enough time where you don't get sacked, or, god forbid, maybe even run for a first down or a TD. There's an art to that stuff.

OK, now it goes to OT. Chargers win the toss, awesome, right? Well, Herbert throws 3 straight incompletions for a 3-and-out. The great ones just make things happen when they need to. Oh, by the way, Derek Carr got 9.2 YPA against this poor Titans secondary last week, and this week, the Titans were even down 2 starters from that unit. Herbert wasn't awful, but he got 7.4 YPA against them, another pedestrian number. I don't want to hear that he doesn't have good enough receivers, or good enough offensive coaching. I'm running out of excuses for this guy. I don't think he's a winning player.

I wouldn't be quick to say Herbert isn't a winning player. He has come through before in the clutch, especially in third and fourth down situations. He did just about everything in his power to give them a chance to win in Week 18 in 2021 versus the Raiders, for example.

But yeah, the Chargers sometimes make it hard for us to love them. I wish they would've gone after Sean Payton. You could make an argument the Chargers have more talent than the Broncos, who are also 0-2.


Also saw this on Twitter this morning:

"The Chargers have had 6 possessions in the 4th quarter/OT with a chance to create a two-score lead or win it at the end. They're 0/6 on those closer drives and, as a result, 0-2."


How much of Herbert's problems do you think can be OC and HC mismanagement?


As I said, I'm kind of out of excuses. The Cowboys had a top-5 scoring offense in every year that Kellen Moore was there, I believe, and that includes last year when Dak missed multiple games and they started Cooper Rush. He's the Charger OC now. He has a rocket arm yet his aDOT is among the bottom-third of all starting QB's. His YPA has left a lot to be desired for a couple of years now. At some point, you just need to be able to execute when your team needs you to. I'm not suggesting he's a bad QB, but I've said it since last year: I think he's overrated. I don't think he's great. I think he's actually regressed from his first couple of seasons.
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ChickenStu wrote:
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The Chargers really are incredible, in a bad way. They just keep inventing new ways to lose. It's truly astonishing. Last week's coaching blunders and, in my view, Herbert not being good enough were mentioned. I think they became the first team in NFL history (last week) to rush for over 200 yards, hold their opponent to under 100 yards rushing, not turn the ball over, and lose. Out of 212 instances, they were the first to lose! OK, so now, after two weeks, the Chargers became only the 33rd team in the Super Bowl era (since 1966) to score 50 or more points in the first 2 weeks, along with not committing a single turnover, and still losing their first 2 games. I didn't notice any obvious Staley blunders today, but I'll again look at Herbert, the $52MM a year QB. Chargers driving late, TD wins it, FG ties it. It's 3rd and 3 with the goal line in sight. Herbert has time initially. Ends up taking the sack. They have to settle for the tying FG. Doesn't even give a receiver a chance to make a play to win the game. Great QB's have a knack for making something happen in these spots. Either make the right throw quickly, or buy enough time where you don't get sacked, or, god forbid, maybe even run for a first down or a TD. There's an art to that stuff.

OK, now it goes to OT. Chargers win the toss, awesome, right? Well, Herbert throws 3 straight incompletions for a 3-and-out. The great ones just make things happen when they need to. Oh, by the way, Derek Carr got 9.2 YPA against this poor Titans secondary last week, and this week, the Titans were even down 2 starters from that unit. Herbert wasn't awful, but he got 7.4 YPA against them, another pedestrian number. I don't want to hear that he doesn't have good enough receivers, or good enough offensive coaching. I'm running out of excuses for this guy. I don't think he's a winning player.

I wouldn't be quick to say Herbert isn't a winning player. He has come through before in the clutch, especially in third and fourth down situations. He did just about everything in his power to give them a chance to win in Week 18 in 2021 versus the Raiders, for example.

But yeah, the Chargers sometimes make it hard for us to love them. I wish they would've gone after Sean Payton. You could make an argument the Chargers have more talent than the Broncos, who are also 0-2.


Also saw this on Twitter this morning:

"The Chargers have had 6 possessions in the 4th quarter/OT with a chance to create a two-score lead or win it at the end. They're 0/6 on those closer drives and, as a result, 0-2."


How much of Herbert's problems do you think can be OC and HC mismanagement?


As I said, I'm kind of out of excuses. The Cowboys had a top-5 scoring offense in every year that Kellen Moore was there, I believe, and that includes last year when Dak missed multiple games and they started Cooper Rush. He's the Charger OC now. He has a rocket arm yet his aDOT is among the bottom-third of all starting QB's. His YPA has left a lot to be desired for a couple of years now. At some point, you just need to be able to execute when your team needs you to. I'm not suggesting he's a bad QB, but I've said it since last year: I think he's overrated. I don't think he's great. I think he's actually regressed from his first couple of seasons.


So do I.
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The Chargers really are incredible, in a bad way. They just keep inventing new ways to lose. It's truly astonishing. Last week's coaching blunders and, in my view, Herbert not being good enough were mentioned. I think they became the first team in NFL history (last week) to rush for over 200 yards, hold their opponent to under 100 yards rushing, not turn the ball over, and lose. Out of 212 instances, they were the first to lose! OK, so now, after two weeks, the Chargers became only the 33rd team in the Super Bowl era (since 1966) to score 50 or more points in the first 2 weeks, along with not committing a single turnover, and still losing their first 2 games. I didn't notice any obvious Staley blunders today, but I'll again look at Herbert, the $52MM a year QB. Chargers driving late, TD wins it, FG ties it. It's 3rd and 3 with the goal line in sight. Herbert has time initially. Ends up taking the sack. They have to settle for the tying FG. Doesn't even give a receiver a chance to make a play to win the game. Great QB's have a knack for making something happen in these spots. Either make the right throw quickly, or buy enough time where you don't get sacked, or, god forbid, maybe even run for a first down or a TD. There's an art to that stuff.

OK, now it goes to OT. Chargers win the toss, awesome, right? Well, Herbert throws 3 straight incompletions for a 3-and-out. The great ones just make things happen when they need to. Oh, by the way, Derek Carr got 9.2 YPA against this poor Titans secondary last week, and this week, the Titans were even down 2 starters from that unit. Herbert wasn't awful, but he got 7.4 YPA against them, another pedestrian number. I don't want to hear that he doesn't have good enough receivers, or good enough offensive coaching. I'm running out of excuses for this guy. I don't think he's a winning player.

I wouldn't be quick to say Herbert isn't a winning player. He has come through before in the clutch, especially in third and fourth down situations. He did just about everything in his power to give them a chance to win in Week 18 in 2021 versus the Raiders, for example.

But yeah, the Chargers sometimes make it hard for us to love them. I wish they would've gone after Sean Payton. You could make an argument the Chargers have more talent than the Broncos, who are also 0-2.


I wouldn't tout any accomplishment against a Raiders defense and this is coming from one of the biggest Raider fans/homer you'll find on this site
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 1:21 pm    Post subject:

Saquon Barkley's got buzzard luck, can't kill nothing and won't nothing die. . He'll be out 3 weeks. I guess that's good as opposed to 6 to 8 weeks.

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There will be 2 MNF games tonight. 4:00pm ESPN New Orleans Saints @ Carolina Panthers. 5:00pm ABC7 Cleveland Browns @ Pittsburgh Steelers. I guess I'll be watching split screen tonight.
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The Chargers are 0-2. That's pretty much a death sentence for making the playoffs.
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The Chargers are 0-2. That's pretty much a death sentence for making the playoffs.


One thing you can be 100% sure of every single season as far as who is going to win the Super Bowl is that it won't be the Chargers.

No team ever has figured out more ways to blow games and this goes back to the 1980s, believe me.

It is painful to watch, but now I have a sick morbid curiosity to see how they can blow it next.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 4:50 pm    Post subject:

The QB play in the 2 games tonight has been absolutely atrocious. Most people don't want to accept that the Raiders actually upgraded at QB with Jimmy G. Carr is playing terrible, and I'll remind you that he got over 9 YPA against the same Titans defense that Herbert got 7.4 YPA against.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 4:57 pm    Post subject:

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The QB play in the 2 games tonight has been absolutely atrocious. Most people don't want to accept that the Raiders actually upgraded at QB with Jimmy G. Carr is playing terrible, and I'll remind you that he got over 9 YPA against the same Titans defense that Herbert got 7.4 YPA against.


I would definitely take Jimmy G over Carr if I was a GM, all other things (money, etc) being equal.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 5:05 pm    Post subject:

LakerLanny wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
The QB play in the 2 games tonight has been absolutely atrocious. Most people don't want to accept that the Raiders actually upgraded at QB with Jimmy G. Carr is playing terrible, and I'll remind you that he got over 9 YPA against the same Titans defense that Herbert got 7.4 YPA against.


I would definitely take Jimmy G over Carr if I was a GM, all other things (money, etc) being equal.


Yeah, I've been saying this the for the past 4 years. Carr is a snake oil salesman. He'll say all the right things and then string together 3 games of insane QB play that reels you right in. And then when the going gets tough, he will no doubt quiver in his cleats, take an unnecessary sack or throw the dumbest INT.

He'll likely lead the Saints to the division title. I mean, he should win it with the competition he's playing against. But man, he does not look good.
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Jesus that Nick Chubb injury...

Not gonna link it but if you're gonna google it, it's NASTY.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 5:33 pm    Post subject:

NIck Chubb apparently got his knee twisted up so badly that ESPN wouldn't show the replay. He got carted off and, I have to assume, will be out for the year. Some on Twitter were saying it looked reminiscent of Napoleon McCallum. Dammit.
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