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mad55557777
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how much paycut would Lebron have to take for us to get under the apron to use the full MLE?
just want to see if it is even realistic. |
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| mad55557777 wrote: | how much paycut would Lebron have to take for us to get under the apron to use the full MLE?
just want to see if it is even realistic. |
And a list of possible fMLE UFAs target, thx Vas
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vasashi17+
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What the 2025/26 season cap can potentially max out to:
•Cap: 154.65m
•Tax: 187.89m
•1st Apron: 195.94m
•2nd Apron: 207.82m
•Tax-Payer MLE: 5.69m
•Non Tax-Payer MLE: 14.1m
•BiAnnual Exception: 5.12m
•RoomMLE: 8.78m
•2nd Round exception (SRE): 1.28m - 2.3m based respectively on whether it is a 3 or 4 year deal with the final year being a team option
•35% max (10+ seasoned player): 54.19m
•30% max (7-9 seasoned player): 46.4m
•25% max (0-6 seasoned player): 38.72m
•Rookie min / incomplete roster charge: 1.28m
•Vet min: 2.3m (only 2 seasoned player cap hit applies w/ difference paid by the league)
•Trade Purse (5.15% of cap): 7.96m
Projected ‘25 Offseason Roster
1. Bron 52.63m (could be up to 54.12m if player opt out & max re-up)
2. Luka 46m
3. Rui 18.26m
4. DFS 15.38m (player opt in)
5. ntpMLE 14.1m (placeholder)
6. Reaves 13.94m
7. Vando 11.57m
8. Gabe 11.5m
9. Maxi 11m
10. Knecht 4.01m
11. Shake 3m (nonguaranteed; fully guaranteed July 20th)
12. Bronny 1.96m
13. ‘25 2nd rounder 1.28m (via SRE)
14. Vet min 2.3m
= 195.13m in team salary if ntpMLE is replaced with another vet min exception; so we would have a projected 810k in wiggle from the 195.94m 1st Apron hardcap; that hardcap would be triggered with use of an incoming S&t’d player and/or use of the ntpMLE
So if Shake is waived and either re-upped at the vet min or replaced by another vet min & DFS opts into his player option, then at the most Bron can opt out & re-up at 40.07m (which is about a 12m haircut) if we wanted to use the entire ntpMLE and literally lean on that 1st Apron hardcap, which would be triggered with its use.
Here’s a list of potential FAs for this summer via Spotrac
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/_/year/2025
Names that stand out as potential ntpMLE candidates
B.Simmons
BroLo
Capela
Brogdon
Bruce Brown Jr
Bojan
Schro
Adams
Portis
Bagley
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mad55557777
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 10:47 am Post subject: |
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| thanks V, that's actually less than i thought. i believe this will be a better way of building the team which is summer. |
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vasashi17+
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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Roster as of Feb 5, 2025
1. Bron 48.73m
2. Luka 43.03m
3. Rui 17m
4. DFS 14.92m
5. Reaves 12.98m
6. Gabe 11m
7. Maxi 11m
8. Vando 10.71m
9. Williams 4.09m
10. Kieff 3.3m (fyi: counts as 2.09m in tax/apron hardcap math)
11. Wood 3.04m
12. Shake 2.88m
13. Hayes 2.46m
14. Bronny 1.16m
= 185.11m in team cap salary with 14 rostered and 3.79m in wiggle before hitting the 188.9m 2nd Apron hardcap (which is now triggered via trade aggregation; as a result, any follow up trade can no longer observe us bringing back more than 2.6 net than we send out
= 45.88m in repeater taxes due to being 15.5m in breach of the 170.8m tax threshold
~232.18m in total team salary
Remaining tradeable draft capital towards the Feb 6th 2025 trade deadline
•our 2025 2nd rounder
•our 2027 1st rounder only if it lands in the top 4
•up to 3 1st round pick swaps on FRPs in ‘26, ‘28, ‘30 (the swap would be the lesser of the pick between ours & Cha)
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gng930
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^^^ Don't they have more wiggle room under the hardcap due to Kief's lower cap hit? Spotrac has us at $185.1m total salary.
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vasashi17+
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Appreciate ya bro for taking the time to go thru that material.
You’re absolutely right (and I did even write it)…but I incorrectly used the 3.3m instead of the 2.09m for Kieff in making that calculation). Our cap sheet is 185.11m and we’ll have 3.8m in wiggle before hitting that 2nd Apron hardcap.
The significant to that is we do have 1 open roster spot and haven’t used the tpMLE yet this year. So if a buyout candidate is looking to be incentivized more than just the prorated vet min (800k), we’d have the option to give them nearly 3.8m from our prorated tpMLE instead. That deal like a vet min deal could be up to 2yrs in length.
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vasashi17+
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Damn, they got the time stone back, reversed the snap & got Knecht’s soul back along with their sole tradeable FRP.
Roster as of Feb 1 2025…uh Feb 8 2025
1. Bron 48.73m
2. Luka 43.03m
3. Rui 17m
4. DFS 14.92m
5. Reaves 12.98m
6. Gabe 11m
7. Maxi 11m
8. Vando 10.71m
9. Knecht 3.82m
10. Kieff 2.09m
11. Wood 3.04m
12. Shake 2.88m
13. Cam 2.46m
14. Hayes 2.46m
15. Bronny 1.16m
= 187.3m in team cap salary with a maxed out 15 man roster and 1.62m in wiggle before hitting the 188.9m 2nd Apron hardcap (which is now triggered via trade aggregation; as a result, any follow up trade can no longer observe us bringing back more than 1.62m net than we send out
= 50.04m in repeater taxes do to being 16.48m in breach of the 170.8m tax threshold
~238.5m in total team salary
Remaining tradeable draft capital towards the Feb 6th 2025 trade deadline
•our 2025 2nd rounder
•our 2027 1st rounder only if it lands in the top 4
•our 2031 1st rounder
•up to 3 1st round pick swaps on FRPs in ‘26, ‘28, ‘30
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vasashi17+
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Roster as of Feb 11 2025
1. Bron 48.73m
2. Luka 43.03m
3. Rui 17m
4. DFS 14.92m
5. Reaves 12.98m
6. Gabe 11m
7. Maxi 11m
8. Vando 10.71m
9. Knecht 3.82m
10. Kieff 2.09m
11. Shake 2.88m
12. Cam 2.46m
13. Hayes 2.46m
14. Bronny 1.16m
15. Len 745k
Deadcap 3.05m
= 188.04m in team cap salary with a maxed out 15 man roster and 890k in wiggle before hitting the 188.93m 2nd Apron hardcap
= 53.27m in repeater taxes do to being 17.23m in breach of the 170.81m tax threshold
~241.3m in total team salary
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | What the 2025/26 season cap can potentially max out to:
•Cap: 154.65m
•Tax: 187.89m
•1st Apron: 195.94m
•2nd Apron: 207.82m
•Tax-Payer MLE: 5.69m
•Non Tax-Payer MLE: 14.1m
•BiAnnual Exception: 5.12m
•RoomMLE: 8.78m
•2nd Round exception (SRE): 1.28m - 2.3m based respectively on whether it is a 3 or 4 year deal with the final year being a team option
•35% max (10+ seasoned player): 54.19m
•30% max (7-9 seasoned player): 46.4m
•25% max (0-6 seasoned player): 38.72m
•Rookie min / incomplete roster charge: 1.28m
•Vet min: 2.3m (only 2 seasoned player cap hit applies w/ difference paid by the league)
•Trade Purse (5.15% of cap): 7.96m
Projected ‘25 Offseason Roster
1. Bron 52.63m (could be up to 54.12m if player opt out & max re-up)
2. Luka 46m
3. Rui 18.26m
4. DFS 15.38m (player opt in)
5. ntpMLE 14.1m (placeholder)
6. Reaves 13.94m
7. Vando 11.57m
8. Gabe 11.5m
9. Maxi 11m
10. Mark 6.28m
11. Shake 3m (nonguaranteed; fully guaranteed July 20th)
12. Bronny 1.96m
13. ‘25 2nd rounder 1.28m (via SRE)
14. Vet min 2.3m
= 197.4m in team salary if ntpMLE is replaced with another vet min exception; 1st Apron is breached by about 1.5m
So if Shake is waived and either re-upped at the vet min or replaced by another vet min & DFS opts into his player option, then at the most Bron can opt out & re-up at 40.07m (which is about a 12m haircut) if we wanted to use the entire ntpMLE and literally lean on that 1st Apron hardcap, which would be triggered with its use.
Here’s a list of potential FAs for this summer via Spotrac
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/_/year/2025
Names that stand out as potential ntpMLE candidates
B.Simmons
BroLo
Capela
Brogdon
Bruce Brown Jr
Bojan
Schro
Adams
Portis
Bagley |
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dcarter4kobe
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 10:42 am Post subject: |
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Vas what's the trade rules for teams under 1st arpon? Is it a 7M flat for salaries over 18mill or 125%?
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vasashi17+
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^dcarter: I’m going to write up another Q&A this offseason, but if you ignore all the transitionary rules, more info pertaining to how this upcoming offseason are posted on the previous page of this thread.
| Quote: | Trades for teams projected to be below the 1st Apron can be made using:
•200% multiplier towards outgoing salary up to 7.5m + 250k for salary matching
•outgoing salary between 7.5m and 29m + 7.5m for salary matching
•125% multiplier towards outgoing salary greater than 29m + 250k for salary matching
For teams projected to be above the 1st Apron, a 100% multiplier +250k is used towards all outgoing salary instead
- also before Dec 15th, 2 or more veteran minimum contracts can be aggregated together as long as no other salaried player whose contract is greater than the vet min is involved in the trade aggregation...in other words, only 1 vet minimum contract can be included and aggregate with other larger salaried players during this time; however from Dec 15th through the Feb 6th trade deadline, 2 or vet min contracts can be aggregated with larger contracts |
Also the early projected numbers for next season are found above on this page. Those numbers reflect a max 10% cap spike from this season and imho, due to the new cable deal, I believe next season will demonstrate that max cap spike.
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dcarter4kobe
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Thanks.
So
Maxi
Knecht
Shake
Would be at about 18Milll in outgoing salary. Would allow us to take about 25.5M in incoming salary.
Nic Claxton makes 25.3M
John Collins 26.6M (could opt out for a lower amount in sign and trade)
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vasashi17+
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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^Yep, but just remember that once we use those trade multipliers, we are hardcapped at the 1st Apron for the rest of the season.
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vasashi17+
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| Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2025 8:44 am Post subject: |
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Hoopshype dropped an early projections on potential cap space per team…
| Quote: | Lakers 2025-26 Cap Figure: $189,239,092
Cap Space Projection: No cap space; undetermined tax and apron proximity
As of right now, L.A.’s only salaries committed after the 2025-26 season are player option seasons for Luka Doncic and Austin Reaves (both of which will surely be declined), the final two years of Dalton Knecht’s rookie scale contract, Bronny James’ minimum salary and manageable deals for Shake Milton and Jarred Vanderbilt. They therefore have plenty of scope for spending money in the coming years. And having acquired Doncic at a snip of his expected price, they will certainly do that. Doncic will be eligible for a supermax contract this summer, which he will get, and LeBron James’ love of a player option will see him needing yet another new deal this summer, but the Lakers have the pockets and motivation to spend everything that they can.
https://hoopshype.com/lists/2025-cap-space-landscape-the-outlook-for-each-nba-team/
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That bit about the supermax contract that Luka is eligible for is poorly worded. It wouldn’t be the supermax, rather the 30% max and it would be an extension either this Aug 2nd which would add 2 guaranteed years to his current deal or he can wait till the ‘26 summer where he opts out and signs a new max 2+1 deal that pays him roughly $106m guaranteed in new money towards the 2026/27 & 2027/28 seasons, with a player option (PO) on that 2028/29 season, where if he opts out, he’s now eligible as a 10+ seasoned vet to sign a 35% supermax deal that could pay him a total up to about $423m for up to 5yrs. /run-on sentence
2025/26: 46m (expiring guaranteed year of current deal)
2026/27: 51.03m* (yr1 of either max extension or max 2+1 new deal)
2027/28: 55.12m (yr2 via 8% annual escalator)
2028/29: 72.04m** (yr1 of new 35% supermax deal via opt out of PO)
2029/30: 77.81m (yr2 via 8% annual escalator)
2030/31: 84.03m (yr3)
2031/32: 90.75m (yr4; potential expiring via PO)
2032/33: 98.01m (yr5; PO)
~530m in new money over 7yrs
*that 30% yr1 max annual is based on a salary cap of 170.11m, which is the max it could reach if the cap keeps climbing at an annual max rate of 10% till that 2026/27 season
**that 35% yr1 supermax annual is based on a salary cap of 205.84m, which is the max it could reach if the cap keeps climbing at an annual max rate of 10% till that 2028/29 season
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dcarter4kobe
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| Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2025 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | | ^Yep, but just remember that once we use those trade multipliers, we are hardcapped at the 1st Apron for the rest of the season. |
Yup. Same with using the full MLE.
Which would allow us to be eligible for all buy out players.
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dcarter4kobe
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Vas was that you who posted something about other teams being eligible to sign 2 way player after that player hits the max amount of games played?
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vasashi17+
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@dcarter: I do recall making a generalized buyout/waiver/two-way convert post a few days back. However, two-ways can’t be poached, unless they’re waived or become FAs in the offseason once their two-way contracts conclude. I believe after waiving them, the only way a team still retains their rights towards another two-way offer, is if they were drafted by that team in the 2nd round. So if I wasn’t clear about that, apologies for any confusion caused.
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