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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2023 10:05 pm    Post subject:

Beasley and Bamba--
Either they are traded before the pick-up deadline, or let go. Too expensive to keep as trade folder. Would be a huge investment if combined to acquire somebody expensive.

Walker--
Up to 7.77 M with maximum 20% raise.

Shroeder--
Maybe offered more than 5M in the market, or maybe not. I doubt the team can find a better fit with the tpmle.

Gabriel and TBJ --
Lakers have ebr of Gabriel. I wouldn't mind keeping one or both for slightly more than the minimum.

2nd round exception--
It stops players from skipping the 2nd round. Somebody like AR would much less likely ask teams to not draft him.

Apron--
I feel surprised the players agreed to a fixed amount above the tax line. 17.5M will not be much due to inflation

Least change roster with V's numbers

1. Bron 47.6m
2. AD 40.6m
3. DLo 25m
4. Rui 15m
5. Reaves 12.4m
6. Walker 7.77 m
7. Schro? 5m
8. Vando 4.7m
9. MaxC 1.7m
10. 2023 17th overall pick 3.7m
11. 2023 47th overall pick 2.1m (via new 2nd round rookie exception)
12. Gabriel 2.4M
13. TBJ 2.4M
14. Vet min 2m

Total 172.4M
It's close to the 1st apron and maybe the FO will try to stay under.

I am not saying the team should keep as many as possible. Just a starting point to examine where the team might go. As usual, a competitive roster requires money.

Beasley and Bamba trade feels like pipe dream because it would exceed the 2nd apron. However, one of them plus #17 pick is feasible for a player around 12M if Jeanie is willing to pay the added tax. That is the most feasible way to add somebody good.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2023 8:25 pm    Post subject:

Can the Lakers trade Beaseley and Bamba without picking their options?
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2023 8:37 pm    Post subject:

^Nope.

When it comes to trades, think of it as only guaranteed money on established deals can be used in aggregation. Any nonguaranteed portion of salary, picks, player rights, cash and exceptions (ie TPEs) can’t be aggregated.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2023 8:46 pm    Post subject:

vasashi17+ wrote:
^Nope.

When it comes to trades, think of it as only guaranteed money on established deals can be used in aggregation. Any nonguaranteed portion of salary, picks, player rights, cash and exceptions (ie TPEs) can’t be aggregated.


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^No worries!

FYI: I’ll be writing up a *sigh* offseason primer soon…sooner than I would’ve liked 😕
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2023 10:58 am    Post subject:

2023 OFFSZN PRIMER

Please present in this thread any questions, inquiries, corrections, requests (like examples to illustrate a point) that are not addressed below and either I or a fellow caphead will get to it. Thx!

So what are the numbers that we looking at for the 2023/24 season?

Note: we don’t know the official numbers yet, but the most current salary cap projections reflect an 8.4% increase from this season; it could go as high as 10% and imho is likely to; therefore that max 10% projection is displayed below & individual player amounts are also found further below within the sample cap sheets

Key resources
Cap: 136m
Tax: 165m
1st Apron: 172m
2nd Apron: 182.5m
tpMLE: 5m for up to 2yrs
-using it triggers 2nd Apron, which effectively hardcaps a team at 182.5m
ntpMLE: 12.4m for up to 4yrs
-using it triggers 1st Apron, which effectively hardcaps a team at 172m
BAE: 4.5m for up to 2yrs
-using it triggers 1st Apron & can’t be used in consecutive seasons
roomMLE: 7.7m for up to 3 years
2nd Round exception: 1.8m - 2m based respectively on either an up to 3 or 4 year deal with final year being team option
35% max (10+ seasoned player): 47.6m
30% max (7-9 seasoned player): 40.8m
25% max (0-6 seasoned player): 34m
Vet min: 2m (only 2 seasoned player cap hit applies w/ difference paid by the league)

What triggers the aprons?

1st Apron Triggers:
•Acquiring a S&t’d player
•Using ntpMLE
•Using BAE
•Aggregation of player(s) in trade using 125% multiplier
•Signing “buyout” player during the season that had a previous contract salary greater than the given ntpMLE value for that season
•Using TPE to trade for player in a non-simultaneous trade (does not apply till ‘24 offseason)

2nd Apron Triggers:
•Using tpMLE
•Aggregation of players in trade (using 110% multiplier towards the 2023/24 season only, otherwise nothing in excess of an 100% multiplier)
•Sending out a S&t’d player and/or trading for a player that was previously used as an outgoing S&t’d player (does not apply till ‘24 offseason)
•Use of cash in a trade (does not apply till ‘24 offseason)
•Use of a FRP 7 years out in a trade (does not apply till ‘24 offseason)

Would trading for Trae or any other max star player already on an established deal hardcap us at any of the aprons?

No; but it will cost ownership a pretty penny in taxes due to us potentially being a repeat tax offender due to having 3max players on our books

When do the new tax laws come into effect?

The new more punitive tax laws will begin to apply towards the 2025/26 season. This means teams will have 2 seasons (the 2023/24 & 2024/25 seasons) to get their cap affairs in order. New tax bands are displayed below and note that 10m above the tax line (ie the 3rd tax band) reflects far more punitive tax rates

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Non-repeater Tax / Repeater Tax rates are as follows (total tax amounts for each band are within parentheses) :

$0 - 4.99m ———> 1.00 (5m) / 3.00 (15m)
$5m - 9.99m ——> 1.25 (6.25m) / 3.25 (16.25m)
$10m - 14.99m —> 3.50 (17.5m) / 5.50 (27.5m)
$15m - 19.99m —> 4.75 (23.75m) / 6.75 (33.75m)
$20m - 24.99m —> 5.25 (26.25m) / 7.25 (36.25m)
$25m - 29.99m —> 5.75 (28.75m) / 7.75 (38.75m)
$30m - 34.99m —> 6.25 (31.25m) / 8.25 (41.25m)
$35m - 39.99m —> 6.75 (33.75m) / 8.75 (43.75m)
$40m - 44.99m —> 7.25 (36.25m) / 9.25 (46.25m)
$45m - 49.99m —> 7.75 (38.75m) / 9.75 (48.75m)


What are the details of our draft capital & what can we still trade?

Draft inventory
2023: #17 JHS & #40 MLewis
2024: our 1st round pick if NO defers to next year; cLip 2nd round pick
2025: our 1st round pick if NO keeps our pick last year; our 2nd round pick & clips 2nd round pick
2026: our 1st round pick
2027: our 1st round pick if it falls within top 4; our 2nd round pick if our 1st conveys to Utah by falling within #5-30
2028: our 1st round pick
2029: our 1st round pick
2030: our 1st round pick; our 2nd round pick

Tradeable draft capital
2023 player rights to #17 JHS & #40 MLewis (counts as $0 in trade aggregation, but JHS counts as 3.7m in aggregation 30 days after putting pen to paper on 1st round rookie deal; cannot aggregate MLewis in trade till Dec 15th)
2024 cLip 2nd rounder
2025 our & cLip 2nd rounders
2029 or 2030 1st rounder; but not both
1st round pick swaps on either 2024 or 2025 (depending on which pick conveys to NO), 2026, 2028 & either 2029, 2030 or both (depending on which 1st gets outright traded between the two)

Note: trading the #17 pick on draft night or shortly thereafter counts as $0 in trade aggregation; however it does count as 3.7m in trade aggregation if the draft pick is signed & traded after 1 month; however note that the new trade rules (ie 125% + 250k applicable up to the 1st Apron) will begin to apply after July 1st.

What dates do we have to pay attention to as we head past the NBA Finals?

Key Dates
June 22nd: NBA Draft; #17 can officially be traded on this day
June 29th: Beas team option deadline, Vando partial guarantee (4.4m) & Mo’s full guarantee (10.3m) trigger date
June 30th 3:00pm PT (aka official last day of the 2022/23 season): Qualifying offers (QO) must be offered by this time to make Reaves (2.3m) & Rui (8.5m) restricted free agents (RFA); deadline to offer extensions to DLo (for an additional 2yrs/67.6m via an extend-&-trade rules) & Beas (for an additional 2yrs/33.8m via team option exercised and an extend-&-trade rules); last day to trade roughly 100k in cash that remains in our trade purse for the 2022/23 season (ie recall we included 2m in the trade with PatBev that sent him to Orlando for Mo & 4.3m in the trade with #47 that was sent to Indy for #40 in the 2023 draft)
June 30th 3:01pm PT: first day of new season (2023/24) officially begins with FA moratorium
-new trade rules go into effect (125% trade multiplier goes down to 110% for 1st apron breachers)
-our 2030 FRP/SRP gets unlocked for trades
-cash trade purse gets renewed to 7m
July 6th 9:00am PT: Free agency (FA) moratorium ends and FA contracts officially hit teams’ cap sheets; signed offersheets for RFAs go live and home team has 24hrs to match; AD is now extension eligible and can add 3 additional years taking him thru the 2027/28 season at the max (potentially up to 187m total) to his remaining 2yr deal, which includes a player option for the 2024/25 season; Vando is also now extension eligible for up to 4yrs/55m
July 13th: last day for teams with outstanding QOs towards their RFAs to withdraw this contract making the RFAs unrestricted free agents (UFA), free to sign with any team with available cap space and/or exceptions
Dec 15th: FAs signed during the 2023 offseason free agency period are now eligible to be traded and aggregated with other salaried players
Jan 10th 2024 (league cutdown date): ShaqH’s full guarantee trigger date
Jan 15th 2024: all bird right FA players that were signed using the bird exception during the 2023 offseason free agency period is now eligible to be traded (ie BYC players)
Feb 8th 2024 12pm PT: 2023/24 season trade deadline

What are the differences between the current & new trade rules & when does it come into effect?

Any team eliminated from the playoffs from now to June 30th, can make a trade with contracts that still have guaranteed money remaining for the 2023/24 season (ie non expiring contracts) & can use a 125% multiplier towards outgoing salary + 100k for salary matching

After June 30th, trades for teams below 1st Apron can be made using:
•200% multiplier towards outgoing salary up to 7.5m + 250k for salary matching
•outgoing salary between 7.5m and 29m + 7.5m for salary matching
•125% multiplier towards outgoing salary greater than 29m + 250k for salary matching

For teams above 1st Apron, an 110% multiplier is used towards all outgoing salary

Which exceptions (MLE, BAE, etc) can we use?

If you use the ntpMLE, you cannot use the tpMLE or the roomMLE. If you use the BAE, you cannot use it again the following season, since as the name suggests, the availability of this particular exception is Bi-Annually.

If you use cap space, you can use the roomMLE only.

If you are a non tax-payer or only breached the tax line by up to 7m (ie before hitting the 1st Apron), then you can use the ntpMLE & BAE as long as the use of them does not directly lead to breaching the 1st Apron immediately afterwards.

If team salary is already above the 1st Apron & within the 10.5m threshold of the 2nd Apron, then a team can use the tpMLE, as long as after using it, a team is not in breach of the 2nd Apron.

If team salary is already higher than the 2nd Apron, no exceptions can be used by that team. As of now, only the cLips, Dubs & Suns are without the use of any exceptions since they all project team salaries higher than the 2nd Apron.

How do the Lakers choose which exceptions & trade rules they can use? Do they even have a choice in how they can operate this offseason?

Teams can choose to go two routes:
As a team with cap space by renouncing all or most of their FA bird rights & having their associated larger capholds not apply towards their books, or…

As a team cap strapped (& without cap space) by retaining their FA bird rights/capholds and using the bird exception to resign them to or execute a S&t with (Please see page 1 for details on how S&ts work)

Cap strapped route:
-ntpMLE = 12.4m; BAE = 4.5m; both trigger 1st apron @ 172m
-tpMLE = 5m; triggers 2nd apron @ 182.5m
-2nd Round exception = 1.8m - 2m
-vet mins (w/ cap hit of 2yr seasoned vet) = 2m
-S&t contract has to be at least 3yrs in length with only year 1 of the deal having to be fully guaranteed; S&t’d players CAN be aggregated with other salaried players; please refer to page 1 as to how much a S&t’d player can aggregate to as a BYC player; note 3yr+ deals can also be extension eligible as soon as the 2nd anniversary after the signing
-FA Capholds (ie the amount that is temporarily held on our books till new contract is signed and amount of 1st year of new contract replaces the temporary caphold; vet min FA capholds represent the max they coujd get on a new deal)
•DLo = 40.8m full bird max
•Rui = 18.8m
•Reaves = 12.4m early bird max (not really a caphold, but will be the amount of cap put on hold since he’s maxed out at that amount via Arenas provision; this will be the amount he can max out with us on in yr1 of his contract, if we go the cap strapped route)
•SkyWalker = 7.8m nonbird max
•#17 pick = 3.7m rookie 120% max scale
•#47 pick = 1.8m - 2m
•Schro = 3.2m nonbird max
•TT = 3.2m nonbird max
•TBJr = 2.3m nonbird max
•Gabriel = 1.9m early bird caphold (could make as much as Austin in yr1 of early bird max deal)

Cap space route:
-roomMLE = 7.7m; used once cap space has been exhausted
-Capholds for our RFAs (ignoring UFA DLo cause his full bird caphold alone would cap us out)
•Reaves caphold = 2.3m
•Rui caphold = 18.8m
•incomplete roster (IR) charge / rookie vet min = 1.12m
•#17 pick = 3.7m
•#47 pick = 1.12m, before that caphold amount is replaced with the starting salary of 1st-2nd yr player (based on length of contract) with the use of the new 2nd round exception
•300k remaining in dead cap if we waive & renounce all our partial/nonguaranteed contracts (ie Vando, Mo & ShaqH)

How would each route (cap strapped & cap spaced) look with Ky or any other max type FA?

Keep Rui option & have roomMLE amount, without really creating cap space:

1. Bron 47.6m
2. AD 40.6m
3. Ky 35m (via 1st apron hardcap triggering S&t)
4. Rui 13m (via full bird for up to a 5yr deal)
5. Reaves 12.4m (via early bird max for up to a 4yr deal)
6. ntpMLE player 7.7m (via partial ntpMLE for essentially the roomMLE amount on up to a 4yr deal)
7. MaxC 1.7m
8. 2023 47th overall pick 2m (via new 2nd round rookie exception)
9. Vet min 2m
10. Vet min 2m
11. Vet min 2m
12. Vet min 2m
13. Vet min 2m
14. Vet min 2m (or ShaqH on a nonguaranteed 2.4m)
= 172m team salary; right at 1st apron

Essentially you can not use the 4.5m BAE and we could use the full 12.4m ntpMLE, but divvy it up where one player gets 7.7m (which is the roomMLE amount), while we hang onto the 4.7m remainder of it to sign prorated RoS deals to buyout candidate(s) after the trade deadline or to convert our two-way guys for further development. FYI: teams now have 3 two-way slots & that should help a hardcapped team field enough depth while not rostering a full 15 for the season; also you have to assume some combo of DLo, Beas, Mo, Vando, #17 pick, our 2029 or 2030 1st, future pick swaps and our 4-5 SRPs are in play to carry out this Ky S&t; btw you need 27.8m in outgoing salary to match due Ky at that 35m starting number & Beas/Mo aggregated is 26.8m

Something to also note: a S&t contract has to be a minimum of 3yrs in length, with only yr1 of the deal having to be fully guaranteed. And you can only have a max of 5% annual raises from each yr in that contract Ky in effect could play yr1 out on that S&t contract before getting “waived”, then becoming a nonbird FA for the 2024 season where he can get a 20% raise on his 35m deal this year (= a new starting salary of 42m on a 1+1 player option contract w/5% raise on 2nd yr). He then opts out of yr 2 of that deal and now has early bird rights in the summer of ‘25 to get him on at least a 2yr deal with 8% annual raises and a starting salary reflective of a 75% raise on his previous annual of 42m (= a new starting salary of his true 35% max for that season). In taking this route, he and the team trading for him need to be in good standing with each other, but he would give up a max bag for these next couple seasons to then hit his true max in 2025 at age 33. And what would this type if haircut cost him over these 2 years? About 20.5m, since as a 35% max player this summer could lead to a 2yr deal of 97.6m, but in our scenario he essentially got a 2yr/77m deal instead.

Renouncing Rui and opening up cap space route:

Bron 47.6m
AD 40.6m
Reaves QO caphold 2.3m
MaxC 1.7m
#17 pick caphold 3.7m
Vando dead cap 300k
7 IR charges (ie 1.12m per) 7.8m
= 32m in cap space; if you want to keep Vando on the books, cap space then becomes 28.7m; if we move off the #17 pick for a future pick instead, cap space then becomes 34.6m; in this scenario you can outright sign Ky without the S&t restrictions of making it a 3yr deal and operating under the hard cap at the 1st apron + have access to the use of the actual roomMLE

How much cap space can we get at the very most with just Bron/AD on our books?

Bron 47.6m
AD 40.6m
Dead cap 300k
10 IR charges 11.2m
= 36.3m in max potential cap space

How would running it back look where we could still use the MLEs and BAE to add an outside FA to our squad?

1. Bron 47.6m
2. AD 40.6m
3. DLo 23m (via full bird for up to a 5yr deal)
4. Rui 13m (via full bird for up to a 5yr deal)
5. Reaves 12.4m (via early bird max for up to a 4yr deal)
6. ??? 12.4m (via full ntpMLE on up to a 4yr deal)
7. Vando 4.7m
8. MaxC 1.7m
9. 2023 17th overall pick 3.7m
10. 2023 47th overall pick 2.1m (via new 2nd round rookie exception)
11. BAE (Schro? for up to a 2yr deal) 4.5m
12. Vet min (Gabriel?) 2m
13. Vet min (Mo?) 2m
14. Vet min 2m (or ShaqH on a nonguaranteed 2.4m)
= 171.7m team salary; just about right at the 1st apron hard cap of 172m…meaning we can’t even add a prorated 15th later in the year unless DLo/Rui/Reaves give back a couple million collectively on those projections above or we sign that 15th rostered player close to the final days of the regular season. Remember tho, we can rely on 3 two-way contracts now to help with the regular season load.

Or….

1. Bron 47.6m
2. AD 40.6m
3. DLo 25m (via full bird for up to a 5yr deal)
4. Rui 15m (via full bird for up to a 5yr deal)
5. Reaves 12.4m (via early bird max for up to a 4yr deal)
6. Beas 16.5m (ie trade fodder)
7. Schro? 5m (via full tpMLE on up to a 2yr deal)
8. Vando 4.7m
9. MaxC 1.7m
10. 2023 17th overall pick 3.7m
11. 2023 47th overall pick 2.1m (via new 2nd round rookie exception)
12. Vet min (Gabriel?) 2m
13. Vet min (Mo?) 2m
14. Vet min 2m (or ShaqH on a nonguaranteed 2.4m)
= 180.3m team salary; just about right at the 2nd apron hard cap of 182.5m…and we can add a prorated 15th later in the year even with ShaqH replacing one of those vet min spots… also Beas’s 16.5m is there as trade fodder which could bring back as much as 18.25m in inbound salary using the new 110% trade multiplier….and as you can see with that additional inbound salary difference of 1.75m, we’d be pretty much at the doorstep of the 2nd Apron.

How much at the max can we offer Austin vs what other teams can offer at the max?

Max we can outright offer without dude looking elsewhere for an offer sheet is:

Yr1: 11.4m
Yr2: 12.4m
Yr3: 13.3m
Yr4: 14.4m
=51.5m (w/annual raises of 8% via early bird rights)

Max another team can offer via offersheet that he has to agree on and we have 24hrs to match past the end of FA moratorium of 9am PT on July 6th:

Yr1: 11.4m
Yr2: 12m (5% raise)
Yr3: 37.5m (max poison pill (PP))
Yr4: 39.2m (4.5% raise)
=100m (w/team that offers that 25% max PP needing at least 25.5m in cap space to offer it)

Note: once matched, that PP backloaded contract structure not only hits our books, but also any other team looking to trade for him afterwards; however if we do not match, the team that gave Austin that offer sheet will see a more traditional (ie non PP) contract structure reflective of the 25m AAV w/5% annual raises; please also see page 1 for details about RFAs, such as the timing in matching & how the Arenas provision works.
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2023 10:31 am    Post subject:

Minimum roster holds are about $1.5M per spot right? The amount of a 2nd year veterans minimum? With LeBron, AD, Christie, #17 and 8 minimum charges, that’s like $20M or less in cap space isn’t it? How are people getting to $30M are they forgetting the minimum roster charges?
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2023 1:51 pm    Post subject:

^Okay, I believe I know where you’re mixing up certain aspects…

So the 2yr seasoned minimum amount applies towards the cap hits on players signed by the vet min exception pertaining to luxury tax & hard cap math.

So for example, let’s say a 10yr seasoned vet signs a vet min deal with a capped out team via the vet min exception, then their minimum annual amount would pay them 2.91m. However on that team’s cap sheet, the cap hit would only reflect a 1.84m annual (that the team is responsible for) with the difference of 1.07m being paid to the player by the league.

For instance, that 1.84m amount is the cap hit that Schro had applied to our books this year towards taxes. However is a 9yr seasoned vet, dude was paid a total of 2.64m where that 800k difference was paid to him by the league while we were responsible for paying him 1.84m & the associated taxes that applied off that amount.

Heading into this 2023 offseason, since the scaled 2yr seasoned amount for last season was 1.84m on a 123.66m salary cap, the scaled vet min for this 2023/24 season will be projected to be about 2.02m on a 136m salary cap.

As for the incomplete roster (IR) charge, that is the “caphold” that must take place for up to 12 roster spots on the cap sheet of a team operating with cap space. That IR charge is based off what a rookie (0yrs of experience) would get paid for that given year. So for instance, MaxC made 1.02m this year as a rookie min and that would be the amount applied during the 2022 offseason towards a team that operated with cap space. So let’s say last summer that a team had 8 players accounting for 90m in guaranteed money on their books and needed to calculate how much max cap space they could offer towards one free agent. That would mean 4 IR charges (at 1.02m per) would apply a total of 4.08m towards their books that already contains 90m in salaries on it. So on a 123.66m salary cap for this season, that team last summer would have had 29.58m in potential cap space to offer that one free agent.

So applying that same principle to us this this summer, the IR charge is scaled to be about 1.12m if the salary cap comes in at 136m (as I expect it would), then that is not only the amount we can offer a player that goes undrafted this summer (recall there is a new 2nd round exception now), but that too wound be the amount each IT charge would be if we operate as a team with cap space this summer.

So for example, if we purge our books this summer to reflect only Bron (47.6m scaled as the amount on a max extension of the salary cap ends up being 136m), AD (40.6m), MaxC (1.7m) and #17 (3.7m), then aggregated those 4 players + 8 IR charges (@ 1.12m per) would lead to a team salary of 102.56m…and with a 136m salary cap, that would mean we would have 33.44m in cap space to offer one single free agent, or break that amount up among multiple free agents. Also, just to be comprehensive, that figure is assuming we traded Vando into another team’s cap space for nothing in return. If we end up waiving him, then dude has 300k guaranteed to him which would lead to a dead cap hit in that amount, meaning we would only have 33.14m in cap space to offer under that scenario.

Sorry for the confusion and I hope that clears up any questions pertaining to those amounts.
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2023 10:05 am    Post subject:

Excellent and Mind-Boggling Amount of Information Breakdown!!!

Question:
Based on Woj's analysis that Celtics' should extend Jalen Brown because he is a much move valuable and tradeable asset, compared to just letting him walk, does this simplistic path applies to DLo?

Basketball-wise - it provides an opportunity for DLo to change his habits and actually expand his game while providing the Lakers' continuity that is the hallmark of the Nuggets and Heat?
Finance-wise - it provides opportunity to trade for a player that has a similar contract plus 10% (????) if things don't work out
Note: Could the same equation apply to Beasley and Bamba?

Maybe AR will accept a shorter term contract (2-3 years) with a player's option that provide him the ability to maximize his career.

Maybe Rob can figure out a way to have LBJ, AD, AR and Rui's contract expire at the same time. This would provide clarity for all involved while providing continuity with the players that are strategic to the continued growth of this team
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2023 1:39 pm    Post subject:

There are imo 12 players…based on fan feedback and success without a training camp…that seem most desirable and feasible to bring back:

AD-40/Mo-2vm
Rui-12/Gabe-2vm
LBJ-47/Vandi-4.5/TBjr-2vm
AR-12/LW4-7.5/MaxC-1.7
Dlo-22/Schro-5tpMLE

= $157.7mil (above cap but below 1st apron)

What would be the difference in the cost between:

—option on Beasley-16.5 to use in a trade assuming 110% multiplier to bring back up to 18.15 = total 175.85 (above 1st apron below 2nd);

vs

—declining Beasley’s option and signing our draft picks to stay below 1st apron at 163.7 (this assumes 10% cap increase so 1st apron 165);

???

I’m trying to think like an owner to see if it makes financial sense to run it back with our draft picks without Beasley or would it be worth it to use those picks in a trade with Beasley to upgrade the roster with a player making up to 18mil.
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2023 5:43 pm    Post subject:

^Yeah HfR, you’re not alone in thinking ownership could look to minimize, if not completely duck, a tax bill by running the team (mostly) back next season…

1. Bron 47.6m
2. AD 40.6m
3. DLo 20m (via full bird for up to a 5yr deal)
4. Rui 15m (via full bird for up to a 5yr deal)
5. Reaves 12.4m (via early bird max for up to a 4yr deal)
6. Schro 9.2m (via partial ntpMLE on up to a 4yr deal)
7. Vando 4.7m
8. MaxC 1.7m
9. 2023 17th overall pick 3.7m
10. 2023 47th overall pick 2.1m (via new 2nd round rookie exception)
11. Vet min (TBJr?) 2m
12. Vet min (Gabriel?) 2m
13. Vet min (Mo?) 2m
14. Vet min 2m (or ShaqH on a nonguaranteed 2.4m)
= 165m in team salary; no tax bill; soft reset towards repeater tax, with full reset if we sick the tax again for the 2024/25 season.

Personally, I rather they pay a tax and hold onto salary fodder to open up more possibilities in constructing a competitive roster, extracting that last bit of the Bron/AD win-dow, before it shuts.
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2023 6:05 pm    Post subject:

vasashi17+ wrote:
^Yeah HfR, you’re not alone in thinking ownership could look to minimize, if not completely duck, a tax bill by running the team (mostly) back next season…

1. Bron 47.6m
2. AD 40.6m
3. DLo 20m (via full bird for up to a 5yr deal)
4. Rui 15m (via full bird for up to a 5yr deal)
5. Reaves 12.4m (via early bird max for up to a 4yr deal)
6. Schro 9.2m (via partial ntpMLE on up to a 4yr deal)
7. Vando 4.7m
8. MaxC 1.7m
9. 2023 17th overall pick 3.7m
10. 2023 47th overall pick 2.1m (via new 2nd round rookie exception)
11. Vet min (TBJr?) 2m
12. Vet min (Gabriel?) 2m
13. Vet min (Mo?) 2m
14. Vet min 2m (or ShaqH on a nonguaranteed 2.4m)
= 165m in team salary; no tax bill; soft reset towards repeater tax, with full reset if we sick the tax again for the 2024/25 season.

Personally, I rather they pay a tax and hold onto salary fodder to open up more possibilities in constructing a competitive roster, extracting that last bit of the Bron/AD win-dow, before it shuts.


I was hoping LW4 could somehow be included if we run it back without an upgrade but it may not be possible and still avoid the max penalty.
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2023 9:32 pm    Post subject:

Hanging from Rafters wrote:
vasashi17+ wrote:
^Yeah HfR, you’re not alone in thinking ownership could look to minimize, if not completely duck, a tax bill by running the team (mostly) back next season…

1. Bron 47.6m
2. AD 40.6m
3. DLo 20m (via full bird for up to a 5yr deal)
4. Rui 15m (via full bird for up to a 5yr deal)
5. Reaves 12.4m (via early bird max for up to a 4yr deal)
6. Schro 9.2m (via partial ntpMLE on up to a 4yr deal)
7. Vando 4.7m
8. MaxC 1.7m
9. 2023 17th overall pick 3.7m
10. 2023 47th overall pick 2.1m (via new 2nd round rookie exception)
11. Vet min (TBJr?) 2m
12. Vet min (Gabriel?) 2m
13. Vet min (Mo?) 2m
14. Vet min 2m (or ShaqH on a nonguaranteed 2.4m)
= 165m in team salary; no tax bill; soft reset towards repeater tax, with full reset if we sick the tax again for the 2024/25 season.

Personally, I rather they pay a tax and hold onto salary fodder to open up more possibilities in constructing a competitive roster, extracting that last bit of the Bron/AD win-dow, before it shuts.


I was hoping LW4 could somehow be included if we run it back without an upgrade but it may not be possible and still avoid the max penalty.


Ok, here’s how we keep LWIV and everyone else except Beasley.

1. Bron 47.6m
2. AD 40.6m
3. DLo 20m
4. Rui 12m
5. Reaves 12m
6. LWIV 7m (partial ntpMLE)
7. Schro 5m (partial ntpMLE)
8. Vandi 4.7m
9. Mo 4.5 (BAE)
10. FRP 3.7m
11. 2ndRP 2.1m
12. Gabe 2m (vet min)
13. TBjr 2m (vet min)
14. MaxC 1.7m

164.9m…no tax with soft reset of repeater penalty.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:45 am    Post subject:

Bringing back Russell, LW4, and Schroder is just asking Ham to play more 3 guard lineups. Unless Vando learns to shoot 3s and can be come a 25-30 mpg player in the playoffs
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:51 pm    Post subject:

So if we don't guarantee Mo's contract do we still retain any Bird rights?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:54 pm    Post subject:

tox wrote:
Bringing back Russell, LW4, and Schroder is just asking Ham to play more 3 guard lineups. Unless Vando learns to shoot 3s and can be come a 25-30 mpg player in the playoffs


Yeah this is probably guard overkill and I think Lonnie sees another situation where he gets squeezed out. I like forcing Ham to playing bigger lineups especially with post-growth spurt Max and TBJ available. Sorry to hijack the thread otherwise...probably should be in the FA/trade thread.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:58 pm    Post subject:

tox wrote:
Bringing back Russell, LW4, and Schroder is just asking Ham to play more 3 guard lineups. Unless Vando learns to shoot 3s and can be come a 25-30 mpg player in the playoffs


MaxC or one of the draft picks as well as TBjr may be able to compensate for not bringing LWIV back. Since he contributed to a Lakers playoff win I’d prefer he returns tho to maintain depth with a player that could potentially step up and exceed expectations as one of the key difference makers in a Lakers win. LWIV did that.

The more I look at the roster probability next year realistically, I don’t see the Lakers being a better team unless a trade is made for a substantial upgrade because it seems unlikely that all the players that contributed to wins during seasons and playoffs would be returning to the team.

To be be at least as good as they were this year to compete for a title (may still not be enough) heading into next season the roster would need to include at a minimum these 9 players:

AD/Mo
Rui/
LBJ/Vandi
AR/LW
Dlo/Schro

Also need Mo/Vandi to have a significantly greater impact since they both got DNP CD in the last game.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:45 pm    Post subject:

Yeah ultimately you need players whose regular season success translates into more reliable playoff production and playability. There were times where Darvin struggled to field 5 of those guys. I heard a former coach once joke that he played 6-7 players in a game 7 but he maybe trusted only 4 of them. If it doesn't happen in the summer, maybe you just flip them later once you've milked them for most of the regular season. Obviously chemistry/continuity take a hit though.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2023 7:49 am    Post subject:

gng930 wrote:
So if we don't guarantee Mo's contract do we still retain any Bird rights?


Depends on who you ask 🤪🤷🏻‍♂️

https://www.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=193632&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=850

Although, I’ll concede that we will not have the non-bird exception on him if he clears waivers and reups with us. If he does come back on a lower annual than 10.3m, we will either use cap space, parts of either the MLEs, part of or the entire BAE or the vet min exception. Fyi use of the ntpMLE and/or BAE hardcaps us at the 1st Apron.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:17 am    Post subject:

Passing on Beasley, this projection brings back everyone else including LWIV or -Replaced by CP3. If LWIV 7m is replaced by CP3 2m vet min saving $5mil it could be used to increase Rui and Shro.

1. Bron 47.6m
2. AD 40.6m
3. DLo 20m
4. Rui 12m+0.7=12.7m (4/60 @10%^/yr)
5. Reaves 12m
6. LWIV 7m(partial ntpMLE)-Replaced by CP3 2m(vet min)-7m=-5m
7. Schro 5m(partial ntpMLE)+4.3m=9.3m (3/30 @10%^/yr)
8. Vandi 4.7m
9. Mo 4.5(BAE)
10. FRP 3.7m
11. 2ndRP 2.1m
12. Gabe 2m(vet min)
13. TBjr 2m(vet min)
14. MaxC 1.7m

164.9m…no tax with soft reset of repeater penalty.

AD/Mo
Rui/Gabe
LBJ/Vandi/TBjr
AR/Dlo/Max
Shro/LWIV-Replaced by CP3 (LWIV SG and Dlo PG if no CP3)

+ #17FRP and 2ndRP
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:55 am    Post subject:

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NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement – Key Deal Points
The following is a summary of certain key changes to the NBA/NBPA Collective Bargaining Agreement. New CBA terms will take effect on July 1, 2023, except where otherwise noted below.

I. Term of Agreement
The new CBA will have a seven-year term covering the 2023-24 through 2029-30 seasons. The NBA and Players Association will each have the ability to end the CBA one year early (after the 2028-29 season) by providing written notice by October 15, 2028.

II. Key Unchanged Elements

•The players’ share of Basketball Related Income (BRI) will remain within a band of 49%-51% (currently at 51%).

•The “soft” Salary Cap system, whereby teams are permitted to exceed the Salary Cap using Salary Cap Exceptions, will continue.

•Existing rules on minimum, maximum, and rookie scale player salaries will remain the same.

•Most rules relating to maximum player contract length will be unchanged.

III. System

A. Apron Levels and Growth.
There will be two “Apron” levels set above the Tax Level:

1. First Apron Level.
For the 2023-24 Salary Cap Year, the “First Apron Level” will be set per the current CBA, at approximately $7 million above the Tax Level.

2. Second Apron Level.
For the 2023-24 Salary Cap Year, a “Second Apron Level” will be established and set at $17.5 million above the Tax Level.

3. Apron Growth.
Beginning with the 2024-25 Salary Cap Year, the First Apron Level and Second Apron Level will grow at the rate of growth in the Salary Cap.

B. New Transaction Rules.
Teams will be subject to additional transaction rules related to the First Apron Level and Second Apron Level.

1. First Apron Level Rules.
In addition to the Tax Apron transaction rules in the current CBA, the following transaction rules will apply at the First Apron Level.

a. Signings – “Buyout” Players.
Teams will be unable to sign a player during a Regular Season if he was waived during that Regular Season and had a pre- waiver Salary for that year greater than the amount of that year’s Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Salary Exception.

b. Trades

i. Traded Player Exception (“TPE”) Multiplier

•During the period from July 1, 2023 through the last day of the 2023- 24 Regular Season, teams will be unable to use a TPE in excess of 110% of the Salary of the Traded Player(s); and

•Beginning on the day after the last day of the 2023-24 Regular Season, teams will be unable to use a TPE in excess of 100% of the Salary of the Traded Player(s).

ii. Pre-Existing TPEs.
Beginning on the day after the last day of the 2023- 24 Regular Season, teams will be unable to use a TPE generated in a prior year. (For purposes of this rule, a “year” is measured from end of Regular Season to end of Regular Season.)

2. Second Apron Level Rules.
The following transaction rules will apply at the Second Apron Level.

a. Signings – Taxpayer MLE.
Teams will be unable to use the Taxpayer Mid- Level Salary Exception.

b. Trades.
Beginning on the day after the last day of the 2023-24 Regular Season, teams will be unable to:

i. Aggregation.
Use a TPE generated by aggregating the Salaries of multiple Traded Players.

ii. Cash.
Convey cash to another team in a trade.

iii. Sign-and-Trade.
Acquire a Player Contract using a TPE in respect of a player whose Contract was traded pursuant to a sign-and-trade.

3. Administration of Transaction Rules

A. The transaction rules will work in the same manner as the Tax Apron rules set forth in the current CBA – i.e., a team with a Team Salary that exceeds the applicable Apron level will be unable to engage in the applicable transactions, and a team that engages in one or more of such transactions will be unable to subsequently have a Team Salary that exceeds the applicable Apron level in such Salary Cap Year.

B. A team that engages in any of the trade transactions described under the First and Second Apron Level rules above after the last day of the Regular Season of a Salary Cap Year will be unable to subsequently have a Team Salary that exceeds the applicable Apron level for the remainder of the then-current Salary Cap Year as well as for the immediately following Salary Cap Year. (Notwithstanding this general rule, there will be certain transition rules applicable to trade transactions occurring during the period from the day after the last day of the 2023-24 Regular Season through June 30, 2024.)

C. New Draft Pick Rules.
Beginning with the 2024-25 Salary Cap Year, if a team’s Team Salary exceeds the Second Apron Level in a Salary Cap Year, then its first round draft pick in the seventh Draft following the last day of the Salary Cap Year (the “Frozen Pick”) will be frozen, meaning the pick may not be traded.

1. If the team’s Team Salary exceeds the Second Apron Level in at least two of the immediately following four Salary Cap Years, the Frozen Pick will be moved to the end of the first round of the applicable Draft and the team will continue to be unable to trade it. If more than one team has a Frozen Pick moved to the end of the first round of a particular Draft, those teams will select at the end of the first round in inverse order of their consolidated standings at the end of the preceding season.

2. If, instead, the team’s Team Salary is less than or equal to the Second Apron Level in at least three of the immediately following four Salary Cap Years, then the Frozen Pick will be unfrozen (meaning it could again be traded) as of the first day of the Salary Cap Year immediately following the third such Salary Cap Year for which the team’s Team Salary is less than or equal to the Second Apron Level and will not be subject to any restriction on pick position.

D. Tax System.
The tax system will be modified to (i) beginning in 2025-26, reduce tax rates in the first two tax brackets and increase tax rates in higher tax brackets, and increase “repeater” tax rates, and (ii) beginning in 2024-25, increase tax brackets at the rate of growth in the Salary Cap. The tax rates under the new CBA will be as follows:

1. Standard Tax / Repeater Tax Rates towards the 2023-24 & 2024-25 seasons. (Total dollar amounts for that tax bracket are within parentheses.)

$0 - 4.99m ———> 1.5 (7.5m) / 2.5 (12.5m)
$5m - 9.99m ——> 1.75 (8.75m) / 2.75 (13.75m)
$10m - 14.99m —> 2.5 (12.5m) / 3.5 (17.5m)
$15m - 19.99m —> 3.25 (16.25m) / 4.25 (21.25m)
$20m - 24.99m —> 3.75 (18.75m) / 4.75 (23.75m)
$25m - 29.99m —> 4.25 (21.25m) / 5.25 (26.25m)
$30m - 34.99m —> 4.75 (23.75m) / 5.75 (28.75m)
$35m - 39.99m —> 5.25 (26.25m) / 6.25 (31.25m)
$40m - 44.99m —> 5.75 (28.75m) / 6.75 (33.75m)
$45m - 49.99m —> 6.25 (31.25m) / 7.25 (36.25m)

2. Standard Tax / Repeater Tax Rates starting the 2025-26 season. (Total dollar amounts for that tax bracket are within parentheses.)

$0 - 4.99m ———> 1.00 (5m) / 3.00 (15m)
$5m - 9.99m ——> 1.25 (6.25m) / 3.25 (16.25m)
$10m - 14.99m —> 3.50 (17.5m) / 5.50 (27.5m)
$15m - 19.99m —> 4.75 (23.75m) / 6.75 (33.75m)
$20m - 24.99m —> 5.25 (26.25m) / 7.25 (36.25m)
$25m - 29.99m —> 5.75 (28.75m) / 7.75 (38.75m)
$30m - 34.99m —> 6.25 (31.25m) / 8.25 (41.25m)
$35m - 39.99m —> 6.75 (33.75m) / 8.75 (43.75m)
$40m - 44.99m —> 7.25 (36.25m) / 9.25 (46.25m)
$45m - 49.99m —> 7.75 (38.75m) / 9.75 (48.75m)

E. Minimum Team Salary (“MTS”)

1. If, as of the first day of the Regular Season, a team’s Team Salary is less than the MTS, then:

a. The team will be required to pay the difference to the NBA, with the amount distributed to all players in the NBA (instead of just players on that team, as under current CBA rules);

b. The team will not receive a tax distribution (except that, in 2023-24 as a transition, the team will receive a 50% tax distribution); and

c. The amount of the difference will be added to the team’s Team Salary for Salary Cap purposes.

2. No team will be permitted to engage in any transaction on or following the first day of the Regular Season that will reduce the team’s Team Salary below the MTS.

F. Salary Cap Exceptions

1. Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Salary Exception Increase.
The Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Salary Exception will increase by 7.5% from the amount in the current CBA, to equal 9.120% of the Salary Cap (representing an increase from $10.5 million for the 2022-23 season to a currently projected $12.2 million for the 2023- 24 season).

2. Room Mid-Level Salary Exception Increase

a. The Mid-Level Salary Exception for Room Teams will increase by 30% from the amount in the current CBA, to equal 5.678% of the Salary Cap (representing an increase from $5.4 million for the 2022-23 season to a currently projected $7.6 million for the 2023-24 season); and

b. The maximum term of a Contract signed using the Mid-Level Salary Exception for Room Teams will increase from two years to three years.

3. Taxpayer Mid-Level Salary Exception

a. The Taxpayer Mid-Level Salary Exception will equal $5 million for 2023-24 and will grow annually at the rate of growth in the Salary Cap; and

b. The maximum term of a Contract signed using the Taxpayer Mid-Level Salary Exception will be decreased from three years to two years.

4. Traded Player Exceptions Increase

a. 175% Trade Allowance.
The 175% trade allowance will be increased to 200%. A team with a Team Salary between the Tax Level and the First Apron Level will now be permitted to use this allowance.

b. $5M Trade Allowance.
The $5 million trade allowance will be increased to $7.5 million for the 2023-24 Salary Cap Year and will grow annually at the rate of growth in the Salary Cap. A team with a Team Salary between the Tax Level and the First Apron Level will now be permitted to use this allowance.

5. Mid-Level Exceptions and Bi-annual Exception in Trades.
Beginning with the 2024-25 Salary Cap Year, teams will be permitted to use the Non-Taxpayer Mid- Level Salary Exception, Mid-Level Salary Exception for Room Teams, or Bi- annual Exception to acquire one or more players by trade or waiver claim.

6. Second Round Pick Exception.
A new Exception will be created for signing Second Round Picks to a three-year or four-year contract up to specified Salary amounts.

G. More Flexible Extensions

1. Maximum Salary.
The maximum allowable Salary increase in the first season covered by a Veteran Extension will be 140% (increased from 120% under the current CBA).

2. Rookie Scale Extensions.
All Rookie Scale Extensions will be permitted to cover up to five new seasons (under the current CBA, only maximum-salary Rookie- Scale Extensions may cover five new seasons).

3. Roster Limitations.
The limitations on the number of Designated Veteran and Designated Rookie Scale Players permitted on a team’s roster will be eliminated.

4. Extend-and-Trades.
Beginning in 2024-25, for Extensions entered into in connection with an agreement to trade the Contract, (a) the maximum allowable term of the Extension will be increased from a total of three years to a total of four years, and (b) the maximum allowable Salary in year one of the extended term will be increased from 105% of the player’s prior Salary to 120% of the greater of the player’s prior Salary and the Estimated Average Player Salary.

H. Regular Season Performance – Incentives and Awards

1. Games Played Requirement for Certain Generally Recognized League Honors

a. Qualification Requirements.
To be eligible for MVP, an All-NBA Team, Defensive Player of the Year, an All-Defensive Team, or Most Improved Player honors, a player must satisfy at least one of the following two criteria:

i. Player played in at least 65 Regular Season games; or

ii. Player (A) played in at least 62 Regular Season games, (B) suffered a season-ending injury that renders the player unable to play through May 31, and (C) played in at least 85% of his team’s Regular Season games prior to the injury. A player will be considered to have played in a Regular Season game for purposes of these rules if he played at least 20 minutes of the game (except that for up to two Regular Season games per season, the game will count if the player plays between 15 and 20 minutes).

b. Exceptions.
The CBA will provide for limited exceptions under which a player who fails to satisfy the games-played criteria may nonetheless be deemed eligible for the applicable awards – for example, if the player can establish that he would have met the 65-game threshold but for extraordinary circumstances that would render his exclusion from award eligibility unjust.

2. Aggregate Regular Season Performance. Voters for MVP, All-NBA Teams, Defensive Player of the Year, All-Defensive Teams, and Most Improved Player will be directed to consider a player’s aggregate performance over the course of the Regular Season (taking into account the player’s total number of games and minutes played) when making their selections.

3. “Positionless” Voting.
All-NBA and All-Defensive Team voters will be directed to vote for the most deserving players each season without regard to position.

I. Salary Cap “Smoothing.”
The Salary Cap and Tax Level will not decrease, and will not increase by more than 10%, in any Salary Cap Year.

J. Other Changes

1. Offer Sheet Matching Period.
A team that receives an Offer Sheet in respect of a Restricted Free Agent prior to 12:00 p.m. (ET) on a day will have until 11:59 p.m. (ET) on the immediately following day to match the Offer Sheet (an exception to the general rule under which a team has until 11:59 p.m. (ET) on the day that is two days following receipt to match an Offer Sheet). For an Offer Sheet received at any time during the Moratorium Period, a team will have until 11:59 p.m. (ET) on July 7 to match the Offer Sheet.

2. More Flexible Stretch Rules.
Teams will be permitted to make a one-time election by August 31 of any year covered by the term of a terminated Contract to stretch a player’s then-remaining future Salary over twice the number of seasons remaining on the original term of the Contract plus one. (This modification will not apply to Contracts terminated prior to the first day of the 2023-24 Salary Cap Year.)

3. Roster Flexibility – Active List.
Each team may have up to 15 players dressed and on the Active List for each game of the season.

4. Negotiating With Players on Team.
Beginning on the day following the date of the last game of the NBA Finals, each team will be permitted to begin negotiating the terms of a Player Contract with any player who finished the season on the team’s roster. The rules regarding when a team may begin negotiating the terms of a Player Contract with any other player (generally, subject to limited exceptions, beginning at 6:00 p.m. (ET) on June 30) will remain unchanged.

IV. Business Opportunities

A. Players Association Participation in Private Equity Funds Investing in NBA Teams. The Players Association will be permitted to passively invest on behalf of all players in private investment funds that invest in NBA teams, provided that (among other conditions) the Players Association’s investment in a fund may not exceed 5% of the committed capital of such fund.

B. Investment in Independent WNBA Teams.
NBA players will be permitted to invest in Independent WNBA Teams (i.e., teams in which no NBA owners hold an interest), provided that each individual player can invest in only one Independent WNBA Team and a player’s investment cannot exceed 4% of the team. NBA players cannot collectively hold more than 8% of any Independent WNBA Team.

C. Emerging Markets

1. Sports Betting and Fantasy

a. Investment.
A player may hold a passive, non-controlling interest in a sports betting or fantasy company (limited to less than 1% for a company that offers or facilitates NBA-related bets or contests).

b. Endorsement.
A player may participate in sports betting and fantasy endorsement that involves (i) general brand endorsement and/or (ii) endorsement of betting on non-NBA sports.

2. Cannabis

a. Investment.
A player may invest in a company that makes products containing CBD. A player may also hold a passive, non-controlling interest in a company that makes products containing marijuana.

b. Promotion.
Players will continue to be prohibited from promoting marijuana companies, but a player may promote a company that makes products containing CBD.

VI. NBA Draft Combine.
Beginning with the 2024 NBA Draft Combine, all invited players will be required to attend and participate in the Draft Combine (other than 5-on-5, which will be optional), unless excused from participation by the NBA for medical or other valid reasons.

A. Refusal to Participate in the Combine.
Invited players who are not excused and do not participate in the Combine will not be eligible to be drafted in the NBA until the first subsequent Draft for which the player attends and participates in the Combine.

B. Limits on Team Access

1. Team Access.
The only teams that will receive Combine medical/testing information for a player ranked as a top-10 prospect are those with a Draft pick in the player’s Potential Draft Range (as set forth in the following chart).

Player Rank / Potential Draft Range
1 / 1-10
2-6 / 1-15
7-10 / 1-25

Any team that trades for a Draft pick following the Combine would be provided with access to the medical/testing information for players in the Potential Draft Range associated with the pick (e.g., if a team with the 16th pick acquires the 15th pick in a trade, the team would thereafter gain access to the medical/testing information for players ranked 2-6).

2. Rankings.
The NBA and Players Association will agree upon a method to rank the top-10 prospects prior to the Draft Lottery each year.

VII. Anti-Drug Program

A. Prohibited Substances List -- Marijuana

1. Marijuana will be removed from the Prohibited Substances List (“PSL”). A team that has reason to believe one of its players is under the influence of marijuana while engaged in NBA or team-related activities, or has a dependency issue involving marijuana, may refer the player to a treatment program.

2. The NBA and teams may impose reasonable discipline on players who are under the influence while engaged in any team activity or in violation of the law.

B. Procedures/Protocols

1. Number of Tests.
During the Season, the NBA is authorized to conduct up to 1,925 total random urine tests.

2. Dismissal & Disqualification.
A player who is dismissed and disqualified under the Anti-Drug Program will be eligible to apply for reinstatement 12 months following his dismissal and disqualification (rather than 24 months).

VII. Player Eligibility and G League

A. Automatic Eligibility.
A player will no longer be automatically eligible for the NBA Draft by virtue of rendering services to a non-NBA professional basketball team (e.g., G League Ignite). Instead, such a player will be automatically eligible for an NBA Draft if he is or will be 22 years of age during the calendar year of the Draft.

B. Two-Way Contracts

1. Number of Two-Way Players.
The maximum number of Two-Way Players that a team may have on its roster will be increased from two to three.

2. Signing Deadline.
The January 15 signing deadline for a Two-Way Contract set forth in Article II, Section 11(f)(i) of the CBA will be moved back to March 3.

C. Exhibit 10 Contract Bonus Amount.
The maximum Exhibit 10 Bonus amount to which a team and player could agree will increase from $50,000 to $75,00 for the 2023- 24 season and will increase annually thereafter at the rate of growth in the Salary Cap.

D. Off-season/Training Camp Roster Size.
The off-season and training camp roster size limit will be increased to 21 (from the current limit of 20).

VIII. In-Season Tournament
There will be an annual In-Season Tournament starting with the 2023-24 season that will consist of two stages – a Group Stage and a Knockout Stage. All 30 teams will participate in the Group Stage, which will feature regular season games designated as tournament games, and based on performance in those games, eight teams will advance to a single elimination Knockout Stage where one team will be crowned the In-Season Tournament champion.

IX. Benefits

A. Player Benefits.
The new CBA provides for improvements in player benefits, including an increased tuition reimbursement allowance, contributions to the Post- Career Income Plan in respect of seasons shortened due to COVID, enhanced medical and retirement benefits for Two-Way Players, and increased funding for the NBA Legacy Fund.

B. Playoff Pool.
The Playoff Pool for the 2023-24 season will increase by 15% and continue to grow annually thereafter at the rate of growth in the Salary Cap.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:16 am    Post subject:

Seems more and more like the NBAPA got hosed. Feels like the first apron is going to become a hard-ish cap with those new lux-tax tiers in 2025. With the repeater tax also being heavier, I imagine many more will want to shy away from the luxury tax altogether. Will all those teams that historically banked on lux-tax shares start to feel the financial hit?

For the players though it comes down to BRI share so we'll just have to see how that is ultimately impacted. I have a hard team believing that won't become an issue. The average team payroll this season was $157 million for players. Now imagine if the vast majority of teams were compelled to duck the lux-tax altogether and the average payroll was closer to $150 million which is an almost 5% decrease. By doing some simple math, that probably drops the players' BRI share from 50-51% where it might be now to well below 49%. I imagine the players will be cut a check to compensate for that? Maybe players making the max are excluded from that and that's how you mitigate the middle class getting squeezed out which is typically an unintended effect.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2023 7:15 pm    Post subject:

Is this legal under the new rules:

1. Bron 47.6m
2. AD 40.6m
3. DLo 21m
4. Rui 14m
5. Reaves 12.4m
6. Royce O’neale 9.5m
7. Naz Reid 8.5m (part of the ntpMLE)
8. Vando 4.7m
9. Josh Rich 3.5m (part of the ntpMLE)
10: MaxC 1.7m
11. 22nd overall pick 3m
12. 47th overall pick 2m
13. CP3 2m
14. Vet min 2m

Total:172.5 (I think I’m over the first apron by just a tad)
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:16 pm    Post subject:

@G: Nate & Larry both had another follow up pod on the new CBA and I believe Larry said that in this new CBA, the cap will never decrease year to year and will continue to smooth out the cap, since annual rises can’t be any higher than 10% from year to year.

https://nateduncannba.com/podcast-episodes/into-the-2023-cba-weeds-with-larry-coon/

When you also consider the extension rate increases (120% to 140% and in the case of extend&trades, going from 105% to 120%), also the bump in the ntpMLE & roomMLE amounts, as well as all the investment possibilities & player funds that are now allowed in the CBA, it seems the player share in BRI will continue to hover closer to 51% rather than 49%. Imho the players will be just fine, although free spending got that much more punitive in this new iteration of the CBA.

I do agree with you however that the 1st Apron will look more & more like the hard cap line where the majority of teams/franchises won’t look to willingly venture past even tho they still have roughly 10.5m more in wiggle before the more punitive 2nd Apron.

@2(KB): I’m assuming you swapped out Mo/#17’s higher caphold for Royce/#21’s lower caphold & then also considering those price points breaking down in that way, your cap sheet would work if it remains capped at no greater than 172m.

Just remember that in using the ntpMLE (even if divvying it up and/or having an unused portion remain) will trigger the 1st Apron hardcap, so we would be unable to venture even a mere 500k past that 172m figure in team salary. Also note, that even before CP3’s guaranteed portions were amended to make the trade matching math work, dude had 15.8m guaranteed to him no matter what. And since that amount is greater than whatever the ntpMLE will come out to this year, he would be considered a buyout candidate that triggers the 1st Apron, even if signed on a lowly vet min deal during the season. Recall that teams above the 1st Apron cannot sign these certain “buyout candidates”, so if we do end up getting CP3 on a vet min deal after waivers that 172m in team salary becomes our hard cap! That being said, I'm not certain if the hard cap would be triggered if he is bought out during the offseason, but I'm sure we'll soon find out.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:28 am    Post subject:

Bound to happen..

Quote:
Shams Charania @ShamsCharania

Updated financial figures for the 2023-24 NBA season nears the 10 percent maximum increase, league informed teams today:

- $136 million salary cap, $2M higher than prior projection
- $165 million luxury tax level, $3M higher than prior

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1671560602286735360


The numbers have already been displayed in this thread, but here it is again for y’all convenience.

Quote:
Key resources
Cap: 136m
Tax: 165m
1st Apron: 172m
2nd Apron: 182.5m
tpMLE: 5m for up to 2yrs
-using it triggers 2nd Apron, which effectively hardcaps a team at 182.5m
ntpMLE: 12.4m for up to 4yrs
-using it triggers 1st Apron, which effectively hardcaps a team at 172m
BAE: 4.5m for up to 2yrs
-using it triggers 1st Apron & can’t be used in consecutive seasons
roomMLE: 7.7m for up to 3 years
2nd Round exception: 1.8m - 2m based respectively on either an up to 3 or 4 year deal with final year being team option
35% max (10+ seasoned player): 47.6m
30% max (7-9 seasoned player): 40.8m
25% max (0-6 seasoned player): 34m
Vet min: 2m (only 2 seasoned player cap hit applies w/ difference paid by the league)


Pay note that Bron’s extension reflects a 35% max based on the salary cap for next season, so that figure is now a definite 47.6m.
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