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dcarter4kobe
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I'm not comparing the 2. I wish we had both and it was possible if not for wasted free agency moves (Lonnie Walker/Gabe Vincent).
This is why our roster stinks. We are terrible at asset management and wonder why it's so hard to get a deal done. No body want's to trade value for, checks notes, Rui or Gabe Vincent.
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RI Laker
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| Halflife wrote: | | defense wrote: |
Kinda sucks
Not a starter
Trade him for a star
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I like AR but have also said he’s hit his ceiling. Both of our guards have. Our back court doesn’t start for another serious team. Watching DDV play for wolves - he is who we need AR to be. |
AR has not hit his ceiling. DDV is a system player who can not create for himself. AR > DDV. I am not hating on DDV (I am a Big East junkie), but I will take AR any day of the week. |
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Japago
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| Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2024 9:13 am Post subject: |
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DDV is the better shooter and defender. AR is a better play-maker and on-ball scorer.
Since AR isn't good enough at those things to be a high-level option on a championship team, I'll take DDV as a superior role player. |
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RI Laker
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| Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2024 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| It is questionable if DDV is a better shooter. Sure his 3% is a HAIR better (although he is more of a volume shooter). He has had the luxury of playing in systems that our conducive to outside shooting (I will not even mention the elite PG's he has played with). AR has a much higher FG and FT%. He has SUPERIOR handles and can create (something DDV does not have). They are both marginal defenders. It will be interesting to see how DDV plays this season. I think his #'s go down but time will tell. DDV is not superior to AR in any facet of the game. |
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Lakeshow23_
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| Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2024 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| DDV is pretty clearly the better shooter and defender. |
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RI Laker
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| Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2024 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Lakeshow23_ wrote: | | DDV is pretty clearly the better shooter and defender. |
#'s do not lie. We will see what he does this year. I say he tanks somewhat with the Wolves system and not having an elite pg. |
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levon
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| Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2024 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| 9 rebounds for him tonight, 4 offensive. 4 assists, 1 steal, 1 block. Played like Donte Divincenzo! |
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LakerDynasty6.0
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| Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2024 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| levon wrote: | | 9 rebounds for him tonight, 4 offensive. 4 assists, 1 steal, 1 block. Played like Donte Divincenzo! |
Great game and great hustle by AR...hope it is contagious!!
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Brawn13
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Man, this guy is just a winner. Willing and able to play whatever role the team needs.
Not the most talented dude but always finds a way to contribute |
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Nobody
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| Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:00 am Post subject: |
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| He was all over the place tonight. Great job and hopefully his three ball starts falling as well. |
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tox
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| Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| levon wrote: | | 9 rebounds for him tonight, 4 offensive. 4 assists, 1 steal, 1 block. Played like Donte Divincenzo! |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 3:48 am Post subject: |
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Austin is an important part of the current and future team; imo
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RI Laker
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| Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 4:11 am Post subject: |
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| levon wrote: | | 9 rebounds for him tonight, 4 offensive. 4 assists, 1 steal, 1 block. Played like Donte Divincenzo! |
This. On another note, I love how some have previously used the +/- metric to sometimes knock down AR. It really is a meaningless stat at times and should not be used as gospel. For example, AD was a +1 last night (second lowest of our starters). |
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| You all down played guys like KCP, Caruso, Green, Bradley when they were here. You better appreciate Reaves while we have him. He is productive and out there giving the team everything he has. What more could you ask for? |
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mhan00
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| Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| Gonna need AR and Dlo to find their 3 point shots again. Lebron did hand AR a couple of really tough shots in end of clock situations, to be fair to him. But still a really good game from AR even if the efficiency wasn't there from an offensive standpoint. |
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governator
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| Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | | You all down played guys like KCP, Caruso, Green, Bradley when they were here. You better appreciate Reaves while we have him. He is productive and out there giving the team everything he has. What more could you ask for? |
I want more lol, compliment to AR, I think watching him and AntMan… he’s a poor man AntMan
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manlisten
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| Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| RI Laker wrote: | | levon wrote: | | 9 rebounds for him tonight, 4 offensive. 4 assists, 1 steal, 1 block. Played like Donte Divincenzo! |
This. On another note, I love how some have previously used the +/- metric to sometimes knock down AR. It really is a meaningless stat at times and should not be used as gospel. For example, AD was a +1 last night (second lowest of our starters). |
If it made Austin look good last season I doubt you'd call it meaningless. It holds more weight over the course of a full season. But rather than dwell on that, I thought Austin has been effective on defense even in preseason against Phx and to start the year against the Wolves. Even last year when Ham challenged the team to rebound, he was one who answered the call. The team as a whole has stepped up defensively. We'll see if it can continue throughout the year.
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RI Laker
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| Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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| manlisten wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | levon wrote: | | 9 rebounds for him tonight, 4 offensive. 4 assists, 1 steal, 1 block. Played like Donte Divincenzo! |
This. On another note, I love how some have previously used the +/- metric to sometimes knock down AR. It really is a meaningless stat at times and should not be used as gospel. For example, AD was a +1 last night (second lowest of our starters). |
If it made Austin look good last season I doubt you'd call it meaningless. It holds more weight over the course of a full season. But rather than dwell on that, I thought Austin has been effective on defense even in preseason against Phx and to start the year against the Wolves. Even last year when Ham challenged the team to rebound, he was one who answered the call. The team as a whole has stepped up defensively. We'll see if it can continue throughout the year. |
I never used the stat one time. It means crap. Like I said, look at AD. He was the best player on the court BY FAR last night and he was a +1. It really doesn't paint a picture one way or another. |
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manlisten
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| Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| RI Laker wrote: | | manlisten wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | levon wrote: | | 9 rebounds for him tonight, 4 offensive. 4 assists, 1 steal, 1 block. Played like Donte Divincenzo! |
This. On another note, I love how some have previously used the +/- metric to sometimes knock down AR. It really is a meaningless stat at times and should not be used as gospel. For example, AD was a +1 last night (second lowest of our starters). |
If it made Austin look good last season I doubt you'd call it meaningless. It holds more weight over the course of a full season. But rather than dwell on that, I thought Austin has been effective on defense even in preseason against Phx and to start the year against the Wolves. Even last year when Ham challenged the team to rebound, he was one who answered the call. The team as a whole has stepped up defensively. We'll see if it can continue throughout the year. |
I never used the stat one time. It means crap. Like I said, look at AD. He was the best player on the court BY FAR last night and he was a +1. It really doesn't paint a picture one way or another. |
Like I just said, it holds more weight over a full season. You're trying to draw some parallel between one game and a full season when that's not how it works. Reaves was neck and neck with Prince for the worst +/- on the team last season. AD wasn't. Hopefully Austin has a better impact this year.
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RI Laker
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| Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| manlisten wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | manlisten wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | levon wrote: | | 9 rebounds for him tonight, 4 offensive. 4 assists, 1 steal, 1 block. Played like Donte Divincenzo! |
This. On another note, I love how some have previously used the +/- metric to sometimes knock down AR. It really is a meaningless stat at times and should not be used as gospel. For example, AD was a +1 last night (second lowest of our starters). |
If it made Austin look good last season I doubt you'd call it meaningless. It holds more weight over the course of a full season. But rather than dwell on that, I thought Austin has been effective on defense even in preseason against Phx and to start the year against the Wolves. Even last year when Ham challenged the team to rebound, he was one who answered the call. The team as a whole has stepped up defensively. We'll see if it can continue throughout the year. |
I never used the stat one time. It means crap. Like I said, look at AD. He was the best player on the court BY FAR last night and he was a +1. It really doesn't paint a picture one way or another. |
Like I just said, it holds more weight over a full season. You're trying to draw some parallel between one game and a full season when that's not how it works. Reaves was neck and neck with Prince for the worst +/- on the team last season. AD wasn't. Hopefully Austin has a better impact this year. |
You be you. If you want to use the stat, you go with it. AR will blow up this year. |
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tox
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| Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Who's the guy who was arguing with me just because I said AR can still improve as a primary playmaker? The most anodyne take led to such controversy smh |
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ZenMaster4President
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| Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Japago wrote: | Neither is good enough to be the 3rd best player on a championship team, so it doesn't really matter who's better between who. AR would need to raise his level way beyond DDV to be that guy.
For the record: AR was better in 2023, but DDV was better in 2024. |
It has been a loooong time, probably way back when IG was still young and silly, since I've seen someone putting his foot in his mouth so baselessly and so quickly.
But we do agree on one thing. AR isn't our 3rd best player.
He is our 2nd best and so far it isn't really a contest. |
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levon
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| Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| This version of him is a legit third option. When his three is going down and he has a simple pressure release valve to a rolling AD, he's really hard to guard. He's going to have elite efficiency again. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Nice to see Austin hitting threes again. That second quarter where he and AD killed the Suns with a half dozen or two man plays was beautiful. Exploited the hell out of Nurkic and forced him to try to recover to an AD on the move. Hearing JJ talk about how they identified that as a way to attack the Suns in the first quarter and telling Austin to do it in the 2nd was a breath of fresh air after hearing Ham say he needed to watch the film to see what was going wrong all of last season. |
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levon
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| Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| mhan00 wrote: | | Nice to see Austin hitting threes again. That second quarter where he and AD killed the Suns with a half dozen or two man plays was beautiful. Exploited the hell out of Nurkic and forced him to try to recover to an AD on the move. Hearing JJ talk about how they identified that as a way to attack the Suns in the first quarter and telling Austin to do it in the 2nd was a breath of fresh air after hearing Ham say he needed to watch the film to see what was going wrong all of last season. |
It's a stark contrast to last year where Austin started out confused and winging it, to borrow a term from the team. |
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