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| andree wrote: | I know that after last game sounds like a sacrilege.
But could AR and 2031 pick land us a really good center and/or a good 3&D player?
LeBron and especially Luka are ball dominant. Maybe just one ball is not enough for all 3 of them. And AR valuation is as high as ever. |
Luckily we get this season to find out if AR has less marginal value next to Luka/LeBron or if he actually fits really well. If the answer is "less marginal value" then I'd also be interested in trading him + expirings for a better fit.
The problem is I don't know what 3&D player is available. You'd need a damn good one. Herb Jones is a direct match salary wise and a trade I considered earlier this year but I'm not sure either team does that trade. Centers, IMO, you probably try to do something like Rui/Kleber/'31 for Claxton. Don't think there's a C worth trading Reaves for |
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| andree wrote: | I know that after last game sounds like a sacrilege.
But could AR and 2031 pick land us a really good center and/or a good 3&D player?
LeBron and especially Luka are ball dominant. Maybe just one ball is not enough for all 3 of them. And AR valuation is as high as ever. |
Name that center. Right now.
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| Megaton wrote: | | andree wrote: | I know that after last game sounds like a sacrilege.
But could AR and 2031 pick land us a really good center and/or a good 3&D player?
LeBron and especially Luka are ball dominant. Maybe just one ball is not enough for all 3 of them. And AR valuation is as high as ever. |
Name that center. Right now. |
Bam Adebayo. |
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| andree wrote: | I know that after last game sounds like a sacrilege.
But could AR and 2031 pick land us a really good center and/or a good 3&D player?
LeBron and especially Luka are ball dominant. Maybe just one ball is not enough for all 3 of them. And AR valuation is as high as ever. |
I would offer that for Kessler but I doubt that Ainge would bite.
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| andree wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | andree wrote: | I know that after last game sounds like a sacrilege.
But could AR and 2031 pick land us a really good center and/or a good 3&D player?
LeBron and especially Luka are ball dominant. Maybe just one ball is not enough for all 3 of them. And AR valuation is as high as ever. |
Name that center. Right now. |
Bam Adebayo. |
heat already has Tyler Herro who is an all star this year. i doubt they want to trade away their center.
i don't even think Bam fits our team. he is an undersized center who is not a lob threat, and doesn't challenge shots. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | andree wrote: | I know that after last game sounds like a sacrilege.
But could AR and 2031 pick land us a really good center and/or a good 3&D player?
LeBron and especially Luka are ball dominant. Maybe just one ball is not enough for all 3 of them. And AR valuation is as high as ever. |
I would offer that for Kessler but I doubt that Ainge would bite. |
you would offer AR +2031 FRP for walker kessler????? |
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| governator wrote: | | andree wrote: | I know that after last game sounds like a sacrilege.
But could AR and 2031 pick land us a really good center and/or a good 3&D player?
LeBron and especially Luka are ball dominant. Maybe just one ball is not enough for all 3 of them. And AR valuation is as high as ever. |
Add Knecht and all available picks/swaps, go for Banchero |
why would the Magic want to do that? also he is not exactly a center. |
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | andree wrote: | I know that after last game sounds like a sacrilege.
But could AR and 2031 pick land us a really good center and/or a good 3&D player?
LeBron and especially Luka are ball dominant. Maybe just one ball is not enough for all 3 of them. And AR valuation is as high as ever. |
I would offer that for Kessler but I doubt that Ainge would bite. |
you would offer AR +2031 FRP for walker kessler????? |
The Jazz would have to send more back to make a trade work.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | andree wrote: | I know that after last game sounds like a sacrilege.
But could AR and 2031 pick land us a really good center and/or a good 3&D player?
LeBron and especially Luka are ball dominant. Maybe just one ball is not enough for all 3 of them. And AR valuation is as high as ever. |
I would offer that for Kessler but I doubt that Ainge would bite. |
you would offer AR +2031 FRP for walker kessler????? |
The Jazz would have to send more back to make a trade work. |
i am glad Rob wouldn't even consider that. |
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | andree wrote: | I know that after last game sounds like a sacrilege.
But could AR and 2031 pick land us a really good center and/or a good 3&D player?
LeBron and especially Luka are ball dominant. Maybe just one ball is not enough for all 3 of them. And AR valuation is as high as ever. |
I would offer that for Kessler but I doubt that Ainge would bite. |
you would offer AR +2031 FRP for walker kessler????? |
The Jazz would have to send more back to make a trade work. |
i am glad Rob wouldn't even consider that. |
Yeah, it would really suck to have a young cost controlled big who can defend, rebound, roll to the basket who brings toughness and hustle to the team. A guy who is 3 years younger than Reaves. Enjoy Hayes being dominated by Jokic.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | andree wrote: | I know that after last game sounds like a sacrilege.
But could AR and 2031 pick land us a really good center and/or a good 3&D player?
LeBron and especially Luka are ball dominant. Maybe just one ball is not enough for all 3 of them. And AR valuation is as high as ever. |
I would offer that for Kessler but I doubt that Ainge would bite. |
you would offer AR +2031 FRP for walker kessler????? |
The Jazz would have to send more back to make a trade work. |
i am glad Rob wouldn't even consider that. |
Yeah, it would really suck to have a young cost controlled big who can defend, rebound, roll to the basket who brings toughness and hustle to the team. A guy who is 3 years younger than Reaves. Enjoy Hayes being dominated by Jokic. |
you sounds like Kessler has any chance against Jokic or something..
well, enjoy the skeletons of Kawhi and Harden. |
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We could send AR to a team who need a secondary ball handler (NY, Minny) for a 1st round or even more. Then with that pcik and our `31 pick we could try a deal with Brooklyn for Cam Johnson and Nick Claxson.
Or to Portland for Ayton and Toumani Camara. |
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I'm not trading AR for a center. On a Luka led team, you can get a way with a relatively limited center that protects the rim and finishes. You can get that archetype of player with expirings and a FRP.
If they do explore trading Reaves, it would need to be for a wing or a guard that fits with Luka. Guys like Jalen Suggs, Derrick White, Jaden Mcdaniels would be perfect fits with Luka. |
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AR may need to come off the bench.
Where is he getting reps to play on ball and playmake with Luka and LeBron on the court?
We will see tonight.
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AR goes 45-7-7 on a night where had he been a ball hog he could have easily gotten 50 or even 60.
Think of all the passes he set up players for wide open shots and they bricked them. It should have been an easy 50-10 double double.
And people still want to trade him.
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | andree wrote: | I know that after last game sounds like a sacrilege.
But could AR and 2031 pick land us a really good center and/or a good 3&D player?
LeBron and especially Luka are ball dominant. Maybe just one ball is not enough for all 3 of them. And AR valuation is as high as ever. |
I would offer that for Kessler but I doubt that Ainge would bite. |
you would offer AR +2031 FRP for walker kessler????? |
The Jazz would have to send more back to make a trade work. |
i am glad Rob wouldn't even consider that. |
Yeah, it would really suck to have a young cost controlled big who can defend, rebound, roll to the basket who brings toughness and hustle to the team. A guy who is 3 years younger than Reaves. Enjoy Hayes being dominated by Jokic. |
you sounds like Kessler has any chance against Jokic or something..
well, enjoy the skeletons of Kawhi and Harden. |
Agree. Kessler is also terrible against Jokic
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=nikola+joki%C4%87+stats+vs+utah+jazz+last+5+games |
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| svettarsalo wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | andree wrote: | I know that after last game sounds like a sacrilege.
But could AR and 2031 pick land us a really good center and/or a good 3&D player?
LeBron and especially Luka are ball dominant. Maybe just one ball is not enough for all 3 of them. And AR valuation is as high as ever. |
I would offer that for Kessler but I doubt that Ainge would bite. |
you would offer AR +2031 FRP for walker kessler????? |
The Jazz would have to send more back to make a trade work. |
i am glad Rob wouldn't even consider that. |
Yeah, it would really suck to have a young cost controlled big who can defend, rebound, roll to the basket who brings toughness and hustle to the team. A guy who is 3 years younger than Reaves. Enjoy Hayes being dominated by Jokic. |
you sounds like Kessler has any chance against Jokic or something..
well, enjoy the skeletons of Kawhi and Harden. |
Agree. Kessler is also terrible against Jokic
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=nikola+joki%C4%87+stats+vs+utah+jazz+last+5+games |
The question to ask imo is “are the Lakers better as constructed against Jokic and the rest of the NBA…short term? long term…with AR/31FRP or Kessler?”
AR seems redundant with Luka/LBJ, who already creates some redundancy, but Kessler fills a need not otherwise provided on the roster. Still, AR/31FRP isn’t something I’d spend for Kessler because I feel a better deal than that severe overpay should be found.
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | andree wrote: | I know that after last game sounds like a sacrilege.
But could AR and 2031 pick land us a really good center and/or a good 3&D player?
LeBron and especially Luka are ball dominant. Maybe just one ball is not enough for all 3 of them. And AR valuation is as high as ever. |
Add Knecht and all available picks/swaps, go for Banchero |
why would the Magic want to do that? also he is not exactly a center. |
It’s their duty to send us their #1 pick bigs
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | svettarsalo wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | andree wrote: | I know that after last game sounds like a sacrilege.
But could AR and 2031 pick land us a really good center and/or a good 3&D player?
LeBron and especially Luka are ball dominant. Maybe just one ball is not enough for all 3 of them. And AR valuation is as high as ever. |
I would offer that for Kessler but I doubt that Ainge would bite. |
you would offer AR +2031 FRP for walker kessler????? |
The Jazz would have to send more back to make a trade work. |
i am glad Rob wouldn't even consider that. |
Yeah, it would really suck to have a young cost controlled big who can defend, rebound, roll to the basket who brings toughness and hustle to the team. A guy who is 3 years younger than Reaves. Enjoy Hayes being dominated by Jokic. |
you sounds like Kessler has any chance against Jokic or something..
well, enjoy the skeletons of Kawhi and Harden. |
Agree. Kessler is also terrible against Jokic
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=nikola+joki%C4%87+stats+vs+utah+jazz+last+5+games |
The question to ask imo is “are the Lakers better as constructed against Jokic and the rest of the NBA…short term? long term…with AR/31FRP or Kessler?”
AR seems redundant with Luka/LBJ, who already creates some redundancy, but Kessler fills a need not otherwise provided on the roster. Still, AR/31FRP isn’t something I’d spend for Kessler because I feel a better deal than that severe overpay should be found. |
LBJ is 40 years old.
If you don't understand the process of aging, think of him as someone with cancer who has a five year window max of survival.
He could last one year, he could last four, but you don't give up your third best asset on the cheap because of a bad fit.
Look what happened to Aaron Rodgers.
Once in a generation you might have a Tom Brady situation but more likely than not in year or two LeBron will either slow down or get an injury that ends him.
You don't get rid of Reaves while he's still improving. |
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| BILBJH wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | svettarsalo wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | andree wrote: | I know that after last game sounds like a sacrilege.
But could AR and 2031 pick land us a really good center and/or a good 3&D player?
LeBron and especially Luka are ball dominant. Maybe just one ball is not enough for all 3 of them. And AR valuation is as high as ever. |
I would offer that for Kessler but I doubt that Ainge would bite. |
you would offer AR +2031 FRP for walker kessler????? |
The Jazz would have to send more back to make a trade work. |
i am glad Rob wouldn't even consider that. |
Yeah, it would really suck to have a young cost controlled big who can defend, rebound, roll to the basket who brings toughness and hustle to the team. A guy who is 3 years younger than Reaves. Enjoy Hayes being dominated by Jokic. |
you sounds like Kessler has any chance against Jokic or something..
well, enjoy the skeletons of Kawhi and Harden. |
Agree. Kessler is also terrible against Jokic
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=nikola+joki%C4%87+stats+vs+utah+jazz+last+5+games |
The question to ask imo is “are the Lakers better as constructed against Jokic and the rest of the NBA…short term? long term…with AR/31FRP or Kessler?”
AR seems redundant with Luka/LBJ, who already creates some redundancy, but Kessler fills a need not otherwise provided on the roster. Still, AR/31FRP isn’t something I’d spend for Kessler because I feel a better deal than that severe overpay should be found. |
LBJ is 40 years old.
If you don't understand the process of aging, think of him as someone with cancer who has a five year window max of survival.
He could last one year, he could last four, but you don't give up your third best asset on the cheap because of a bad fit.
Look what happened to Aaron Rodgers.
Once in a generation you might have a Tom Brady situation but more likely than not in year or two LeBron will either slow down or get an injury that ends him.
You don't get rid of Reaves while he's still improving. |
Your point is correct, but on the other side we don`t have many assets to lure good players. AR is one of them.
If Legrandpa will retire after next year, I would keep AR as the 2nd ball handler next to Luka. But if LeBron still want to play we need to adress the situation with AR. Too many ballhandlers for one ball and other positions who need to be cover.
We believe for years that he will age and decline but the mf somehow resist against father time.
And Lakers will not trade LeBron. He is still a milkcow and I cannot imagine the tickets`price in his retiring year. |
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| BILBJH wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | svettarsalo wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | andree wrote: | I know that after last game sounds like a sacrilege.
But could AR and 2031 pick land us a really good center and/or a good 3&D player?
LeBron and especially Luka are ball dominant. Maybe just one ball is not enough for all 3 of them. And AR valuation is as high as ever. |
I would offer that for Kessler but I doubt that Ainge would bite. |
you would offer AR +2031 FRP for walker kessler????? |
The Jazz would have to send more back to make a trade work. |
i am glad Rob wouldn't even consider that. |
Yeah, it would really suck to have a young cost controlled big who can defend, rebound, roll to the basket who brings toughness and hustle to the team. A guy who is 3 years younger than Reaves. Enjoy Hayes being dominated by Jokic. |
you sounds like Kessler has any chance against Jokic or something..
well, enjoy the skeletons of Kawhi and Harden. |
Agree. Kessler is also terrible against Jokic
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=nikola+joki%C4%87+stats+vs+utah+jazz+last+5+games |
The question to ask imo is “are the Lakers better as constructed against Jokic and the rest of the NBA…short term? long term…with AR/31FRP or Kessler?”
AR seems redundant with Luka/LBJ, who already creates some redundancy, but Kessler fills a need not otherwise provided on the roster. Still, AR/31FRP isn’t something I’d spend for Kessler because I feel a better deal than that severe overpay should be found. |
LBJ is 40 years old.
If you don't understand the process of aging, think of him as someone with cancer who has a five year window max of survival.
He could last one year, he could last four, but you don't give up your third best asset on the cheap because of a bad fit.
Look what happened to Aaron Rodgers.
Once in a generation you might have a Tom Brady situation but more likely than not in year or two LeBron will either slow down or get an injury that ends him.
You don't get rid of Reaves while he's still improving. |
Who says “if you don’t understand the process of aging” and then gives an analogy to explain it, because, well, ya know just in case. lol! I struggle to take anything serious from a take that starts like that because it seems to indicate a fundamental absence of logical reasoning to the point where nothing shared can be trusted after that. It’s got to be comedic satire right??!!?? Sheesh 🤣
I can’t stop laughing!!! 😆
Thanks man, that aging thing can be complicated, glad it was explained for me! Anyone smart enough to get it.. and can explain it like that…must be a savant providing trusting analysis!
 
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Jeez Louise BILBJH! I would have picked a better analogy than cancer. Damn. LOL!
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I want to see AR tonight with LeBron and Luka, with Luka and LeBron both having good games, but AR still going for 50 and sending a message  |
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| lakerlove123 wrote: | | I want to see AR tonight with LeBron and Luka, with Luka and LeBron both having good games, but AR still going for 50 and sending a message |
AR told Rob "Luka would be my perfect Robin..." and Rob got the job done. LOL!
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