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Reaves waited a bit too long to get going last game. But at least he looked like he was finding a rhythm.
A lot of that had to do with the fact JJ put three non-shooters out there with Reaves and Luka consistently and the Bucks defense could laugh while they overloaded on them and dared anyone else to score. When Knecht was out there and the Bucks defense couldn't cheat off him, suddenly the offense started flowing. Novel concept I know.
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| Japago wrote: | He was playing well before going out with injury, but his best performances came without both LeBron and Luka. And, the next best have usually come with just LeBron.
There's also the possibility that that may have been an unsustainable hot streak. We've seen it before with him. He can goes hot and cold. It's been hidden behind DLo being even streakier, but it's there.
He's not a scrub, but he's not this untouchable player that needs to be kept regardless of what's being offered.
After what just happened with AD going for Luka, people should realize that by now. |
Mos def trade him for a bonafide star. Contract wise, we can’t probably get the same value unless it’s a rookie scale type of stud. But the only way to maximize him is utilize his game off the bench and play his game whenever Luka sits out. That will get him on the rhythm.
When Lebron comes back , JJ need to balance this lineup and set his rotation to be ready for the playoff and execute a sustainable solution long term. I don’t agree with people clamoring for riding the lineup while it’s hot. You can probably do that in game but for a whole season , that is not fundamentally sound. |
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Zillethai
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He wasnt there when we need him most... when Luka first went to the bench.
Good stat line, but there is such a thing as meaningful/ impactful baskets. Overall it felt like Luka was by himself last night... esp in the 1st half.
And I cant stand foul-baiters, but his constant foul baiting works in our favor obviously, so Im good with it. |
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Zillethai
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Great game by Reaves. Goes to show you what he can do when he is running the offense. Unfortunately, he cant really do that with Bron and Luka |
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Japago
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Zillethai wrote: | | Great game by Reaves. Goes to show you what he can do when he is running the offense. Unfortunately, he cant really do that with Bron and Luka |
Running the offense and being the first option. It's great that he can do this. I didn't think he'd be that viable when being relied upon to create offense.
But ultimately, this won't matter if he can't play behind the Lakers' 2 stars. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Japago wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | | Great game by Reaves. Goes to show you what he can do when he is running the offense. Unfortunately, he cant really do that with Bron and Luka |
Running the offense and being the first option. It's great that he can do this. I didn't think he'd be that viable when being relied upon to create offense.
But ultimately, this won't matter if he can't play behind the Lakers' 2 stars. |
You mean like he was doing before he got hurt?
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Zillethai
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| MJST wrote: | | Japago wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | | Great game by Reaves. Goes to show you what he can do when he is running the offense. Unfortunately, he cant really do that with Bron and Luka |
Running the offense and being the first option. It's great that he can do this. I didn't think he'd be that viable when being relied upon to create offense.
But ultimately, this won't matter if he can't play behind the Lakers' 2 stars. |
You mean like he was doing before he got hurt? |
What was Luka's usage percentage during that brief period? Because he was deferring alot... getting used to being a Laker.
Now that hes comfortable, AR is not going to have the ball in his hands like that. This game proves he is better with the second unit |
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| Zillethai wrote: | | Great game by Reaves. Goes to show you what he can do when he is running the offense. Unfortunately, he cant really do that with Bron and Luka |
You are so correct. This reminds me of a Kobe Bryant/Eddie Jones situation. Both are great shooting guards. But the Lakers needed to trade Jones to open up more playing time for Kobe.
Austin Reeves is a starting point guard. However, Luka needs the ball in his hands to succeed on this team. It’s hard to play Reeves in the shooting guard position because he then becomes a liability on defense.
That is why I see the Lakers trading him as I think some other team will overpay for his services. And he deserves it as he is a very good point guard. |
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| LakersForever123 wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | | Great game by Reaves. Goes to show you what he can do when he is running the offense. Unfortunately, he cant really do that with Bron and Luka |
You are so correct. This reminds me of a Kobe Bryant/Eddie Jones situation. Both are great shooting guards. But the Lakers needed to trade Jones to open up more playing time for Kobe.
Austin Reeves is a starting point guard. However, Luka needs the ball in his hands to succeed on this team. It’s hard to play Reeves in the shooting guard position because he then becomes a liability on defense.
That is why I see the Lakers trading him as I think some other team will overpay for his services. And he deserves it as he is a very good point guard. |
The thing with trading AR is how much longer is Bron playing cause then AR would become that much more valuable to us as a sidekick to Luka. |
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| LakersForever123 wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | | Great game by Reaves. Goes to show you what he can do when he is running the offense. Unfortunately, he cant really do that with Bron and Luka |
You are so correct. This reminds me of a Kobe Bryant/Eddie Jones situation. Both are great shooting guards. But the Lakers needed to trade Jones to open up more playing time for Kobe.
Austin Reeves is a starting point guard. However, Luka needs the ball in his hands to succeed on this team. It’s hard to play Reeves in the shooting guard position because he then becomes a liability on defense.
That is why I see the Lakers trading him as I think some other team will overpay for his services. And he deserves it as he is a very good point guard. |
So in your whole equation of what you’re saying here, did you account for this.
Eddie Jones was a playoff choke artist, Reaves is not. If he wasn’t a choke artist he would not be so easily a joke in comparison to Fox in the question of who do you bring to a must win game next to Kobe.
Back to the point, when does your equation take into account Luka
Luka made the western conference finals and beat the very team that eliminated Bron and AD with Brunson starting next to him … another point guard playing shooting guard
Luka won the conference outright and made the nba finals and all after they got him what was that, a point guard turned shooting guard in Kyrie Irving
Did you also mention Luka made the playoffs next to you guessed it a starting point guard turned shooting guard in Spencer Dimwiddie
So again why would the lakers be concerned with Reaves being a point guard turned shooting guard, especially when he’s excelled multiple times with guards just like Reaves? You would almost think it would be the exact opposite, they would look at Reaves success as a point guard, Luka’s past success with his back court mates and say damn that pairing is perfect you know based on past evidence and winning.
So if we got the point guard turned shooting guard that Luka has always won with in Reaves. Then we got the big body forward who can shoot the three and defend bigger bodies and run alongside him in Rui. All we really need is the full time lob threat center which Hayes is place holding for. |
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Recall when he had a few bad games reminded the fam that he was a MLE level signing. That's like a huge steal. He's playing way above value, some bad games and all.
As for role, I do agree I don't think he's best starting on a Lebron/Luka team, but the NBA has become a lot of 1 on 1 accidental offense. Perhaps the Luka/Lebron/Reaves taking turns to create can work at a championship level. All that matters if the team defends. We did have some games where we played great defense with Reaves starting. That's the trend to look for.
We saw vs Denver last night while we played our hearts out, we couldn't defend well enough. 136 points given up. The #1 thing that we need to focus on around Lebron/Luka is defense. At one point in this season we were playing it at an elite level. It has slipped big time in this stretch, but that's not because of Reaves. That's becasue we're missing Hayes, Lebron, DFS in most of these games. Even Rui, seems to have a positive contribution to our defense. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2025 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| BILBJH wrote: | Reaves cost us the last two games. He was okay against the Celtics but still far from peak Reaves.
But he knows he's doing bad, you can see how much he cares and his history dictates that it's a matter of time before he starts hitting his shots.
It's crazy how some vultures wait for a bad game to pounce, then they get humbled, Reaves has another bad stretch and they come back, then the whole process repeats again.
Reaves is still shooting over 62% TS for his career.
He does look horrible this week but so what.
His career TS is still better than Cam Johnson who I'm sure the same people would die for.
I think the odds are against both Reaves and Luka shooting like sh*t at the same time two times in a row. |
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| Reaves has really stepped up the last couple times he has been asked to carry the team due to injury. It's a luxury to have that. |
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| DA1 wrote: | | LakersForever123 wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | | Great game by Reaves. Goes to show you what he can do when he is running the offense. Unfortunately, he cant really do that with Bron and Luka |
You are so correct. This reminds me of a Kobe Bryant/Eddie Jones situation. Both are great shooting guards. But the Lakers needed to trade Jones to open up more playing time for Kobe.
Austin Reeves is a starting point guard. However, Luka needs the ball in his hands to succeed on this team. It’s hard to play Reeves in the shooting guard position because he then becomes a liability on defense.
That is why I see the Lakers trading him as I think some other team will overpay for his services. And he deserves it as he is a very good point guard. |
The thing with trading AR is how much longer is Bron playing cause then AR would become that much more valuable to us as a sidekick to Luka. |
AR isnt going anywhere. The attitude in the FO is that he is a Laker for life. |
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| He should be signed to a 3rd best player contract value and be paired with Luka after LeBron. He'll either be Luka's release valve a la Brunson, or traded for Luka's costar. |
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| levon wrote: | | He should be signed to a 3rd best player contract value and be paired with Luka after LeBron. He'll either be Luka's release valve a la Brunson, or traded for Luka's costar. |
Reaves averages 28.5 points per game, 9.2 assists and 7.2 rebounds when LeBron sits this season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/austin-reaves-stats-without-lebron-james-this-season
Which co-star are you going to trade him for?
His TS% is even better than Ant's and Edwards has a horrible assist/turnover ratio.
His TS% is better than Tatum's also.
If you trade for these guys it better be a straight up trade with one first, or you are probably losing the trade.
If you give up three players including Reaves and two picks it's not worth it and that's what it would take to even start a conversation for a trade.
Those two are better athletes and defenders but they'd all cost a boatload of assets so you are better off keeping Reaves.
You go lower on the list and you aren't making much of a difference.
You keep Reaves and sign a free agent when Bron retires. |
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Reaves = Jamal Murray
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| AR is is not a 3rd option. He plays best when he and option A can alternating leading the attack. Lakers need to look real hard to convince LeBron to call it quits or give bless for a trade, AR is more aggressive than LeBron when leading the team by himself. a team with AR and Luka, both mental tough guys going forward will be a fantastic start. |
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| SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | AR is is not a 3rd option. He plays best when he and option A can alternating leading the attack. Lakers need to look real hard to convince LeBron to call it quits or give bless for a trade, AR is more aggressive than LeBron when leading the team by himself. a team with AR and Luka, both mental tough guys going forward will be a fantastic start. |
Bron wants to play with his other son Brice.
He's not going anywhere |
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| Trading AR would be like the Mavs trading Brunson. We have to find a way to make it work. He needs to attack off the pass. Luka and Bron need to sacrifice their own scoring to get rui, ar, and Knecht going early in the game. Bron and Luka can get their shots whenever they want. I remember when Kobe and Jordan wouldn’t even take a shot in the first quarter making sure their guys got going. |
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | LakersForever123 wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | | Great game by Reaves. Goes to show you what he can do when he is running the offense. Unfortunately, he cant really do that with Bron and Luka |
You are so correct. This reminds me of a Kobe Bryant/Eddie Jones situation. Both are great shooting guards. But the Lakers needed to trade Jones to open up more playing time for Kobe.
Austin Reeves is a starting point guard. However, Luka needs the ball in his hands to succeed on this team. It’s hard to play Reeves in the shooting guard position because he then becomes a liability on defense.
That is why I see the Lakers trading him as I think some other team will overpay for his services. And he deserves it as he is a very good point guard. |
So in your whole equation of what you’re saying here, did you account for this.
Eddie Jones was a playoff choke artist, Reaves is not. If he wasn’t a choke artist he would not be so easily a joke in comparison to Fox in the question of who do you bring to a must win game next to Kobe.
Back to the point, when does your equation take into account Luka
Luka made the western conference finals and beat the very team that eliminated Bron and AD with Brunson starting next to him … another point guard playing shooting guard
Luka won the conference outright and made the nba finals and all after they got him what was that, a point guard turned shooting guard in Kyrie Irving
Did you also mention Luka made the playoffs next to you guessed it a starting point guard turned shooting guard in Spencer Dimwiddie
So again why would the lakers be concerned with Reaves being a point guard turned shooting guard, especially when he’s excelled multiple times with guards just like Reaves? You would almost think it would be the exact opposite, they would look at Reaves success as a point guard, Luka’s past success with his back court mates and say damn that pairing is perfect you know based on past evidence and winning.
So if we got the point guard turned shooting guard that Luka has always won with in Reaves. Then we got the big body forward who can shoot the three and defend bigger bodies and run alongside him in Rui. All we really need is the full time lob threat center which Hayes is place holding for. |
Austin Reeves will be eligible for an extension starting July 2025. The most the lakers can offer is a 4 yr $82-90 million contract which comes to about $22-24 million a season. Of course, he would most probably reject that and opt out of his contract after next season as some team will offer him $30 million plus per season for 4 years .
That is why my thinking is that he will get traded (might as well get something for him in return) unless he accepts our offer which I believe Austin will most likely decline. |
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| MJST wrote: | | Japago wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | | Great game by Reaves. Goes to show you what he can do when he is running the offense. Unfortunately, he cant really do that with Bron and Luka |
Running the offense and being the first option. It's great that he can do this. I didn't think he'd be that viable when being relied upon to create offense.
But ultimately, this won't matter if he can't play behind the Lakers' 2 stars. |
You mean like he was doing before he got hurt? |
It’s honestly astonishing how people look to discredit AR. He was shining as the third option, and somehow they’re using him killing it in a game as a sign he can’t play with Lebron and Luka even though he was doing so very well before he got hurt and then Lebron got hurt. |
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Been on LG 20 years and seen a lot of odd obsessions with my fellow LGers, but two I can't understand are wanting to trade Reaves or bring him off the bench.
You don't trade him.
You don't bring him off the bench.
This has seemed obvious for going on four years now and yet here we are every other game discussing both things. |
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| governator wrote: | | Reaves = Jamal Murray |
That depends, if Murray is playing the lakers every night, he might be in the Goat conversation |
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