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CamReddish
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | lordtrapula wrote: | 21 pts and 7/10 from the field in the close out. What the hell were his teammates doing? standing around?!
It's funny seeing his haters slander him even though he was pretty much the only guy besides Edwards to show up |
They single him out for DS blowing by him and stop and hit a 2 point shot at the end of the game, but convincingly forgot AR scored 7 points in the same span. AR didn’t get /ma single shot in 2nd and 3rd quarter. Brunson and haliburton made Obst look like Steph curry. daniel Theis scored more than JJJ and portis combined. ANT pass the ball to JJJ when everyone needed him to shoot. Bridges got blocked on the layup attempt while nobody even went for rebound. I am glad AR showed up and it looks like he can handle the laker hype |
Yup. US was losing by 10 whe AR came back into the game. He was a major reason they closed the gap. They didn't lose because of AR. They lost because of some dumb heat check by Ant where he jacked up a 3 when guys were wide open, and then the stupid jump pass turnover by Ant.
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leking006
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Can we say now that AR is in the same level as Brunson and Haliburton? |
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mad55557777
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| leking006 wrote: | | Can we say now that AR is in the same level as Brunson and Haliburton? |
No, but he is a much better complementary player. he can play with ANt/Brunson/haliburton, the others can’t say the same. |
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levon
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| leking006 wrote: | | Can we say now that AR is in the same level as Brunson and Haliburton? |
Brunson yes when you factor in defense, but he'll never get the volume to actually prove that. Haliburton no. |
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Denny_Russo
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Statlines are fairly meaningless in FIBA. Theis scored just as much as Edwards today.
The offensive flow was terrible. Brunson's TS was 64.43% this game, but his plus/minus was -19. It's not about the scoring but how you score.
I think Reaves played within the context of the offense for the most part. He took what the defense gave him and thrived. He's as plug and play of a player as you can get.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| So what's the deal with his defense? He seemed perfectly fine in the playoffs, not a stopper but not a problem. It's all reddit can talk about but I'm not sure if it's because he played bad defense or because he was being switched onto bigs so much? |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| slavavov wrote: | | Knowing Reaves, maybe he'll be even more motivated for this NBA season after we lost to the F'in Germans in the FIBA World Cup. |
Yep. I love it. He gets motivated by all the criticism, then puts the work in. He’s going to be a beast. |
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lordtrapula
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| tox wrote: | | So what's the deal with his defense? He seemed perfectly fine in the playoffs, not a stopper but not a problem. It's all reddit can talk about but I'm not sure if it's because he played bad defense or because he was being switched onto bigs so much? |
Kerr and JJJ's absolute refusal to help Reaves when a big ISO's on him.
Yes, he's a 6'5 guard that has trouble with big guys but reddit is being dumb on purpose, no one that size can help it no matter what. He's a solid defender here cause Ham understands Austin's and Dlo's limits and what he has with in Davis to help out any breakdowns on the court.
DS gave him hell but looking at it Dennis had 6 on him and Austin had 11 on him back in the 4th. It just seems like haters are trying to grab onto anything to crap on the dude.
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Denny_Russo
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I am of the firm opinion that most of what reddit or twitter says can be filed in the trash bin. There was a contingent of twitter blaming BI for today's loss, and he didn't even suit up.  Lots of these opinions are coming from people that don't watch the game. They are just exploiting twitter's algorithm for monetization.
The reality is Germany played excellent help defense, while USA put everyone on their own island. The only one who was remotely helping on weakside was Mikal. Reaves wasn't as big of an issue on defense as people make it out to be. The rotations, however, were absolutely horrendous and put the team in a position to fail and get outrebounded.
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| Denny_Russo wrote: | I am of the firm opinion that most of what reddit or twitter says can be filed in the trash bin. There was a contingent of twitter blaming BI for today's loss, and he didn't even suit up. Lots of these opinions are coming from people that don't watch the game. They are just exploiting twitter's algorithm for monetization.
The reality is Germany played excellent help defense, while USA put everyone on their own island. The only one who was remotely helping on weakside was Mikal. Reaves wasn't as big of an issue on defense as people make it out to be. The rotations, however, were absolutely horrendous and put the team in a position to fail and get outrebounded. |
JJJ with 3 rebounds is such a travesty, very disappointed in his international play |
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mad55557777
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| lordtrapula wrote: | | tox wrote: | | So what's the deal with his defense? He seemed perfectly fine in the playoffs, not a stopper but not a problem. It's all reddit can talk about but I'm not sure if it's because he played bad defense or because he was being switched onto bigs so much? |
Kerr and JJJ's absolute refusal to help Reaves when a big ISO's on him.
Yes, he's a 6'5 guard that has trouble with big guys but reddit is being dumb on purpose, no one that size can help it no matter what. He's a solid defender here cause Ham understands Austin's and Dlo's limits and what he has with in Davis to help out any breakdowns on the court.
DS gave him hell but looking at it Dennis had 6 on him and Austin had 11 on him back in the 4th. It just seems like haters are trying to grab onto anything to crap on the dude. |
Had Kerr put Reaves on Obst like the 2nd half of exhibition, USA would won. Reaves didn’t allow Obst to score. Obst toasted Brunson and haliburton today…. Talk about didn’t pay attention as a coach. |
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mad55557777
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| lordtrapula wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: | I am of the firm opinion that most of what reddit or twitter says can be filed in the trash bin. There was a contingent of twitter blaming BI for today's loss, and he didn't even suit up. Lots of these opinions are coming from people that don't watch the game. They are just exploiting twitter's algorithm for monetization.
The reality is Germany played excellent help defense, while USA put everyone on their own island. The only one who was remotely helping on weakside was Mikal. Reaves wasn't as big of an issue on defense as people make it out to be. The rotations, however, were absolutely horrendous and put the team in a position to fail and get outrebounded. |
JJJ with 3 rebounds is such a travesty, very disappointed in his international play |
Can’t get a rebound when you are in the perimeter defending every play, just think about the AD during the 3 guard lineups last year. I thought Kerr was a good coach, and turns out he is making ham looking like a genius, even Ham knows when to stop the easy switching. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| tox wrote: | | So what's the deal with his defense? He seemed perfectly fine in the playoffs, not a stopper but not a problem. It's all reddit can talk about but I'm not sure if it's because he played bad defense or because he was being switched onto bigs so much? |
it was mostly the switching
AR got muscled by guys that were bigger and stronger
it wasn't always 4's or 5's, sometimes their 3's were bigger and stronger
but, it wasn't Reaves alone - they did the same thing to Haliburton & Brunson too.
Kerr took AR out once after he got posted up by a bigger guy. The very next play, they did it to Haliburton
Teams figured out Kerr's switch everything was able to create tons of mismatches - and they exploited it
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mad55557777
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| P.K. wrote: | | tox wrote: | | So what's the deal with his defense? He seemed perfectly fine in the playoffs, not a stopper but not a problem. It's all reddit can talk about but I'm not sure if it's because he played bad defense or because he was being switched onto bigs so much? |
it was mostly the switching
AR got muscled by guys that were bigger and stronger
it wasn't always 4's or 5's, sometimes their 3's were bigger and stronger
but, it wasn't Reaves alone - they did the same thing to Haliburton & Brunson too.
Kerr took AR out once after he got posted up by a bigger guy. The very next play, they did it to Haliburton
Teams figured out Kerr's switch everything was able to create tons of mismatches - and they exploited it |
Oh, by the way, DS schooled ANT in the first 3 minutes of the 4th quarter, I didn’t hear any criticism. In reality, German just didn’t want bridges(best defender) on DS |
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| Reaves has been amazing all tournament imo. Don't get the criticism |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2023 2:43 am Post subject: |
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| drae wrote: | | Reaves has been amazing all tournament imo. Don't get the criticism |
It’s really just idiot warrior fans hating on him |
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mad55557777
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| Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2023 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| drae wrote: | | Reaves has been amazing all tournament imo. Don't get the criticism |
They target him with bigger players sometimes and Kerr loved it so much he just watches. |
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No one would have believed you a year ago if told them the player Reaves would become in just 12 months. Reaves outplayed guys likes Brunson, Ingram, Cameron Johnson. He might now be the best #3 guy in the league, along with possibly being the best contract.
Sometimes you need a little bit of luck to keep the contention train going.. his performance, along with his contract, will now extend this era of Lakers basketball by allowing the Lakers to more easily replace Lebron with another max free agent, to go along with Davis and Reaves. |
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He was better than Ant, but these games feel meaningless if you don't win against inferior competition. He knows his role and how to play it well. He should put up 20 ppg easily this season if Lebron gives him the reigns.
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| Quote: | Austin Reaves' final game in Manila:
23 points (second most on the team), 5 rebounds on 50% (7-14) shooting from the field.
- He finished the FIBA World Cup with 107 points, the most of any player from the bench in the tournament. |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2023 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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Austin Reaves in FIBA for Team USA:
• 13.8 PPG (2nd on team)
• 56.6% FG (6th)
• 50% 3pt (2nd)
• 2.4 APG (4th)
• 1.3 SPG (3rd)
• 14.9 Efficiency (3rd)
• Led FIBA in points off the bench
Shooting splits(56/50/95)
He was even better in the 5 exhibition games. (68/58/100)
Basically he was a 200 player. If his 3 point stays above 40, he will be a legit 180 guy in the upcoming season. |
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Haters is a stop on the way to stardom. It's a good sign.
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