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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:08 am    Post subject:

AR needs to expand his game. he has to develop a high percentage 3 point shot to keep defender honest. his midrange game is kind of getting old, refs aren't buying those moves anymore.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:18 am    Post subject:

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AR needs to expand his game. he has to develop a high percentage 3 point shot to keep defender honest. his midrange game is kind of getting old, refs aren't buying those moves anymore.


He can shoot the 3. Needs to stop taking bad ones. Bet money by the end of the season he is one of our best 3 point shooters. He was last season.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:21 am    Post subject:

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His defense is atrocious, he doesn't seem to be able to make a pass and he's forgotten how to dribble. Hope he finds his game sometime soon.


He was never a good dribbler, that is why he should be a passing secondary creator, only put the ball on the floor when he has to.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:38 am    Post subject:

I like AR. He is who he is. Can’t expect much improvement. He epitomizes our team.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:34 am    Post subject:

SGV-Laker fan wrote:
AR needs to expand his game. he has to develop a high percentage 3 point shot to keep defender honest. his midrange game is kind of getting old, refs aren't buying those moves anymore.


I feel that they are still buying those moves but that he has made an effort to try to lose that flopper reputation or something. Several times last last night he either drew a crowd in the paint or was facing aggressive ball pressure on the perimeter and instead of jumping into someone and falling down, he tried to pass out of it. In previous years he was flopping like crazy in those situations.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:58 am    Post subject:

AR is not a primary playmaker/PG. People who think he can do that full time are asking for the worst version of him.

He excels as a secondary playmaker. The sooner we realize that, the better.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 10:10 am    Post subject:

Needs to play more off the catch vs off the dribble

The way he was used at the end of the Suns game last week where he caught passes off PnR action with Bron and facilitated to shooters is the way to use him

Kind of like Draymond creates off short roll action
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 10:13 am    Post subject:

I agree but the problem is when DLO sits, there are no playmakers on the floor. And Vincent isn’t a playmaker. Pelinka failed to get a good backup playmaker and someone who can guard the better guards in the game. There wasn’t a lot out there but someone like Jevon Carter would fit better than Vincent probably will.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 10:18 am    Post subject:

1. He turns the ball over more now (2.6) because he’s now seeing double teams, it’s worst whenever he passes out of them.

2. He’s taking more jumpers compared to last season and even more 3’s (3.4 last season vs 4.6 currently), hard for him to get to the FT line taking too many jumpers.

3. His defense is just bad this year. His 115 def rating is 3rd worst on the team, just ahead of Dlo and Prince (Prince is surprisingly the worst at 117.5).
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 10:34 am    Post subject:

Treble Clef wrote:
SGV-Laker fan wrote:
AR needs to expand his game. he has to develop a high percentage 3 point shot to keep defender honest. his midrange game is kind of getting old, refs aren't buying those moves anymore.


I feel that they are still buying those moves but that he has made an effort to try to lose that flopper reputation or something. Several times last last night he either drew a crowd in the paint or was facing aggressive ball pressure on the perimeter and instead of jumping into someone and falling down, he tried to pass out of it. In previous years he was flopping like crazy in those situations.


That's interesting. I do remember shamelessly applauding his ability to sell calls last year. Haven't done that once this season.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 11:48 am    Post subject:

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He’s trying to do too much. There are numerous times he is holding on to the ball for way too long only to find himself being swarmed. We are using him in too high of a usage role IMHO. He is amazing as a secondary playmaker but I don’t know if at this time using him as a primary playmaker is all that much of a good idea. He also plays so freaking hard he is going to hurt himself if his usage stays this high.

I still think AR is a good starting 2 guard once we have Vando back to have his back on defense. Our offense looks the best in Dlos hands, but it should really somehow be run through AD. Not sure how to do that because AD is falling all over the place if you give him the ball outside the paint and gets triple teamed if he posts up. This has been Hams worst part as a coach. He HAS to find a way to run the offense through AD that doesn’t involve high pick and roll.


I feel this is the crux of the problem for all of the playmakers right now.

We keep slowing the pace to suit our half court strengths, but this allows the defense to set and we are too slow to outplay a set defense.

I get that you don't want turnovers and especially Bron has been terrible throwing the ball away which may indicate his passing reflexes have slowed due to age, but that's also because he goes for the flashy pass instead of a fundamentally sound, boring one.

I think we are deeper than other teams which is why we fall behind, and then slowly wear them down, but we are too far behind by the end of the game to catch up.

I think we need to just push the pace constantly, like a quarterback in a hurry up offense, live with the turnovers and try to wear teams down unless they are slow like us.

It's sounds counter intuitive because young speedy teams like the transition game, but every time I see AR slow the ball down, I know he's going to get swarmed and f*cked.

He's gotta just keep pushing.

LeBron needs to recognize his age and stop trying to be fancy.

DLo's assist/turnover ratio is fine, but he still needs to be less passive and maybe take a few more possessions from the other two.

All I know, is when I see them hesitate at half court, it's like watching a football team who can't establish the run, try to play straight up instead of running a hurry up offense.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 7:50 pm    Post subject:

Wow. What do you know??!! All of sudden, I'm not on an island anymore.
Like I've been saying for couple of weeks now(in real life, it's been after 2nd game), AR should never be trusted as a ball handler, or a playmaker to be accurate. He plays better during the 4th q with a ball. IMO, that's bc he dribbles to attack not playmake for others in crunchy time. He should be viewed as a sg who operates his best when he attacks off the catch. He is unselfish and good enough passer when defense is compromised when he attacks even the slightest close out(his best attribute imo).

Don't expect him to be a creator and get upset when he doesn't deliver something he doesn't have.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:25 pm    Post subject:

Reaves is one of those players who went from being underrated to being overrated. Maybe soon he’ll be underrated again as people here turn on him.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:12 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
Reaves is one of those players who went from being underrated to being overrated. Maybe soon he’ll be underrated again as people here turn on him.


Reaves is one of those players that’s now inconsistent.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:49 pm    Post subject:

Only 18 minutes for him tonight. Ham chose to close with DLO.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:09 pm    Post subject:

He might suck
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:53 pm    Post subject:

He'll figure it out. It's been a handful of games that he's looked bad, and then he's looked pretty good/back to his usual self here and there, too.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:54 pm    Post subject:

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Only 18 minutes for him tonight. Ham chose to close with DLO.


It’s not just about Reaves putting up his usual points, something is off with him mentally, the turnovers he commits are a wreck, thankfully he seems to be the kind of player who can start playing really well for long stretch of games
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:52 am    Post subject:

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miggz23 wrote:
Only 18 minutes for him tonight. Ham chose to close with DLO.


It’s not just about Reaves putting up his usual points, something is off with him mentally, the turnovers he commits are a wreck, thankfully he seems to be the kind of player who can start playing really well for long stretch of games


His passing also leaves a lot to be desired. And defenders are giving him all sorts of trouble it seems.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:44 am    Post subject:

Lonzo-Lite wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Reaves is one of those players who went from being underrated to being overrated. Maybe soon he’ll be underrated again as people here turn on him.


Reaves is one of those players that’s now inconsistent.


Reaves is one of those players who has lost confidence and is becoming a turnover machine.



miggz23 wrote:
Only 18 minutes for him tonight. Ham chose to close with DLO.


It was the right decision though. Ham's got to win games even if it's against bottom feeders.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2023 12:05 pm    Post subject:

Teams are really starting to put pressure on him when he handles the ball. Hope he can figure it out soon. He’s had some horrendously bad turnovers so far this season.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2023 12:39 pm    Post subject:

i wonder if Vando is the "secret sauce" to hide AR15's deficiencies?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2023 12:59 pm    Post subject:

oaktown_dimond wrote:
i wonder if Vando is the "secret sauce" to hide AR15's deficiencies?


He's a drive first guard with questionable handles at times in a pass first offense that doesn't have driving lanes until the defense breaks down.

Give him and the coaches some time to finish tweaking the offense.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2023 2:35 pm    Post subject:

oaktown_dimond wrote:
i wonder if Vando is the "secret sauce" to hide AR15's deficiencies?


I don’t think anyone can hide someone’s mental deficiencies… look at Reaves when’s in the game most of the time he looks off physically and mentally he doesn’t have it this year like he did last year even though he’s still producing
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:15 pm    Post subject:

Still waiting for AR to be the guy we know he is
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