He needs to take a leap and Vanderbilt needs to be able to hit some 3s if this team wants a real shot at #18
Agreed. I dont get the current overhype with this guy. He has flashes of brilliance, he is outstanding on the fastbreak, but if he cant come in unchanged from last year... or even a little better. I need to see alot more. From everyone, but especially him and RUI.
Look at his salary. Look at his overall production in 3 seasons with us, then look at other non rookie contract players that make similar to what he makes. That should give you a good perspective on his value.
He is undrafted and put up 16-4-6 with career 49-37-86 averages playing along side Lebron, Davis and Russell. I would say that is very good considering his circumstances. Also consider that it is sometimes argued who is better between him and a former number 2 pick who has been in the league 8 years.
He needs to take a leap and Vanderbilt needs to be able to hit some 3s if this team wants a real shot at #18
Agreed. I dont get the current overhype with this guy. He has flashes of brilliance, he is outstanding on the fastbreak, but if he cant come in unchanged from last year... or even a little better. I need to see alot more. From everyone, but especially him and RUI.
Look at his salary. Look at his overall production in 3 seasons with us, then look at other non rookie contract players that make similar to what he makes. That should give you a good perspective on his value.
He is undrafted and put up 16-4-6 with career 49-37-86 averages playing along side Lebron, Davis and Russell. I would say that is very good considering his circumstances. Also consider that it is sometimes argued who is better between him and a former number 2 pick who has been in the league 8 years.
I don't think it's really arguable as to who's better when you consider respective defensive impact. Reaves' 3-year DRAPM is better than any of Russell's. And way better than Russell's last three years. Hoping he brings back some of that defensive effort from Years 1 and 2.
In terms of leap, I think Reaves needs to turn into a top tier on ball player (he was already a top PnR ballhandler player, idk how that works in JJ's offense), or a lights out shooter a la Russell, or an above average defender
I think in order of likeliness:
- Reaves becomes even more impactful 3rd option
- Christie becomes a solid starting caliber 3&D 2
- Vanderbilt hits some 3s
Why do people think Austin Reaves is this super young player with a lot of potential?
He's 26. He has no elite traits whatsoever.
He is what he is.
Christie has done nothing. To be honest, I don't think he looked THAT good even in his limited time. I thought he looked lost out there sometimes. He hasn't even shown as much as THT did.
Vando's season high in 3PT attempts is 1.2 attempts per game. He spent his first 4 seasons averaging 0.2 attempts or less, and these last 2 with around 1 attempt per game.
Come on man. All 3 of these things are highly, highly unlikely to happen.
Dude, are you able to read? Who the hell said any of those three is likely to happen? That's kind of the point, isn't it? Christie is a giant question mark and I think he'll be a solid role player starter at Age 25 but next season, who knows. Vanderbilt making 3s is a fantasy. But those are the kinds of things it'd take for this team to become a bona fide contender.
That said, I disagree about Reaves personally, I think he still has more primary ballhandling juice to be squeezed out. Like I said, he was actually an elite PnR ballhandler at the 90th percentile (1.05 ppp). I don't know if his 3 ball will ever get to the consistency of an elite shooter, but I can see Reaves being an elite 3rd option. I don't see why he can't get to prime Kyle Lowry level for example.
Dude, are you able to read? Who the hell said any of those three is likely to happen? That's kind of the point, isn't it? Christie is a giant question mark and I think he'll be a solid role player starter at Age 25 but next season, who knows. Vanderbilt making 3s is a fantasy. But those are the kinds of things it'd take for this team to become a bona fide contender.
That said, I disagree about Reaves personally, I think he still has more primary ballhandling juice to be squeezed out. Like I said, he was actually an elite PnR ballhandler at the 90th percentile (1.05 ppp). I don't know if his 3 ball will ever get to the consistency of an elite shooter, but I can see Reaves being an elite 3rd option. I don't see why he can't get to prime Kyle Lowry level for example.
Why mention it at all then? Lol. If JHS turns into a star, the Lakers are contenders!!!
It's nice that AR is a good decision maker in the PNR, but it's going to take a lot more than that to be an elite 3rd option. I don't trust to him to be as good of a scorer or playmaker in other types of plays.
The guy also got hunted on defense. His 3-year sample may be solid, but his play time has dramatically changed in just the last year and a half.
He got hunted on defense during the FIBA games last year, and it's something that NBA teams have picked up on.
Jamal Murray was trash in general. I don't know if I can give him credit for that when Murray was even worse against MIN and in the Olympics.
I don't see it with AR. He's just another role player to me. It's a cute story, so people want to see big things in him.
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Dude, are you able to read? Who the hell said any of those three is likely to happen? That's kind of the point, isn't it? Christie is a giant question mark and I think he'll be a solid role player starter at Age 25 but next season, who knows. Vanderbilt making 3s is a fantasy. But those are the kinds of things it'd take for this team to become a bona fide contender.
That said, I disagree about Reaves personally, I think he still has more primary ballhandling juice to be squeezed out. Like I said, he was actually an elite PnR ballhandler at the 90th percentile (1.05 ppp). I don't know if his 3 ball will ever get to the consistency of an elite shooter, but I can see Reaves being an elite 3rd option. I don't see why he can't get to prime Kyle Lowry level for example.
Lowry is a six time all star, NBA champion, Olympic gold medalist, and a borderline Hall of Famer. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
He needs to take a leap and Vanderbilt needs to be able to hit some 3s if this team wants a real shot at #18
Agreed. I dont get the current overhype with this guy. He has flashes of brilliance, he is outstanding on the fastbreak, but if he cant come in unchanged from last year... or even a little better. I need to see alot more. From everyone, but especially him and RUI.
Look at his salary. Look at his overall production in 3 seasons with us, then look at other non rookie contract players that make similar to what he makes. That should give you a good perspective on his value.
He is undrafted and put up 16-4-6 with career 49-37-86 averages playing along side Lebron, Davis and Russell. I would say that is very good considering his circumstances. Also consider that it is sometimes argued who is better between him and a former number 2 pick who has been in the league 8 years.
I said I dont understand the OVERhype he gets. Hes just a solid role player. with a slightly above average ceiling. There are scores of those kind of players in the NBA.
I don't see it with AR. He's just another role player to me. It's a cute story, so people want to see big things in him.
Kind of like the country mouse who moves to the big city.
Then you combine that with his "Aw shucks" personality and suddenly he's untouchable to LA fans
How many players with this kinda contracts are better than this dude _________________ “The main goal for the Lakers is to win a championship. All I care about, all we care about, is to raise another banner in the rafters.“
Dude, are you able to read? Who the hell said any of those three is likely to happen? That's kind of the point, isn't it? Christie is a giant question mark and I think he'll be a solid role player starter at Age 25 but next season, who knows. Vanderbilt making 3s is a fantasy. But those are the kinds of things it'd take for this team to become a bona fide contender.
That said, I disagree about Reaves personally, I think he still has more primary ballhandling juice to be squeezed out. Like I said, he was actually an elite PnR ballhandler at the 90th percentile (1.05 ppp). I don't know if his 3 ball will ever get to the consistency of an elite shooter, but I can see Reaves being an elite 3rd option. I don't see why he can't get to prime Kyle Lowry level for example.
Lowry is a six time all star, NBA champion, Olympic gold medalist, and a borderline Hall of Famer.
That's my point, innit? Lowry in his best season put up 22/7/5 on 62% TS%. Reaves won't get that much volume as a Laker but what would Lowry do next to LeBron and AD? 18/7/5 on 65% TS%? There's nothing about Lowry's game that makes this kind of "leap" impossible for Reaves. I'm not saying Reaves is there yet but I'm a little puzzled why people think it's literally impossible, Lowry himself was 30 when he had his best season
Dude, are you able to read? Who the hell said any of those three is likely to happen? That's kind of the point, isn't it? Christie is a giant question mark and I think he'll be a solid role player starter at Age 25 but next season, who knows. Vanderbilt making 3s is a fantasy. But those are the kinds of things it'd take for this team to become a bona fide contender.
That said, I disagree about Reaves personally, I think he still has more primary ballhandling juice to be squeezed out. Like I said, he was actually an elite PnR ballhandler at the 90th percentile (1.05 ppp). I don't know if his 3 ball will ever get to the consistency of an elite shooter, but I can see Reaves being an elite 3rd option. I don't see why he can't get to prime Kyle Lowry level for example.
Why mention it at all then? Lol. If JHS turns into a star, the Lakers are contenders!!!
It's nice that AR is a good decision maker in the PNR, but it's going to take a lot more than that to be an elite 3rd option. I don't trust to him to be as good of a scorer or playmaker in other types of plays.
The guy also got hunted on defense. His 3-year sample may be solid, but his play time has dramatically changed in just the last year and a half.
He got hunted on defense during the FIBA games last year, and it's something that NBA teams have picked up on.
Jamal Murray was trash in general. I don't know if I can give him credit for that when Murray was even worse against MIN and in the Olympics.
I don't see it with AR. He's just another role player to me. It's a cute story, so people want to see big things in him.
Because it's (bleep) August and the Lakers are not improving their roster, so I'm thinking about what kind of internal development could make the Lakers a contender? It's literally the exact same thing about constructing dream trades or coming up with your optimal FA in June. In the exact same way WCJ is almost certainly not going to be traded to the Lakers, Vanderbilt is almost certainly not going to become a 3 point shooter with any amount of gravity. It's the same thing. Like what else are you trying to talk about in the doldrums of the offseason?
They will need to keep Austin's load balanced so he can keep his energy up on the defensive end.
Offensively, the thing that sets him up for a step forward is hitting the 3-ball off the dribble, be that in PnR or side-step. If he adds that to his game, things start to look different for our season. _________________ Los Angeles Lakers Leadership: Jeanie Buss, Robert Pelinka, Kurt Rambis, LeBron James, Rich Paul.
Dude, are you able to read? Who the hell said any of those three is likely to happen? That's kind of the point, isn't it? Christie is a giant question mark and I think he'll be a solid role player starter at Age 25 but next season, who knows. Vanderbilt making 3s is a fantasy. But those are the kinds of things it'd take for this team to become a bona fide contender.
That said, I disagree about Reaves personally, I think he still has more primary ballhandling juice to be squeezed out. Like I said, he was actually an elite PnR ballhandler at the 90th percentile (1.05 ppp). I don't know if his 3 ball will ever get to the consistency of an elite shooter, but I can see Reaves being an elite 3rd option. I don't see why he can't get to prime Kyle Lowry level for example.
Lowry is a six time all star, NBA champion, Olympic gold medalist, and a borderline Hall of Famer.
That's my point, innit? Lowry in his best season put up 22/7/5 on 62% TS%. Reaves won't get that much volume as a Laker but what would Lowry do next to LeBron and AD? 18/7/5 on 65% TS%? There's nothing about Lowry's game that makes this kind of "leap" impossible for Reaves. I'm not saying Reaves is there yet but I'm a little puzzled why people think it's literally impossible, Lowry himself was 30 when he had his best season
Kyle Lowry's defense is comparable to Alex Caruso. Reaves? Not so much. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
I don't see it with AR. He's just another role player to me. It's a cute story, so people want to see big things in him.
Kind of like the country mouse who moves to the big city.
Then you combine that with his "Aw shucks" personality and suddenly he's untouchable to LA fans
How many players with this kinda contracts are better than this dude
How many teams were interested in paying that contract for him? No one outside of LA.
And yet today, 29 other teams would happily take him on that contract given the chance.
And he would be on the bench.
On 3/4 of team, most likely yes. What's the point though? He's getting paid like a bench guy and he's playing at 6th man level - or higher.
I don't agree with thinking he can be an all star but I don't understand the fascination to discredit him. He's a stud role player or great 6th man or decent starter and every team needs those guys..
On 3/4 of team, most likely yes. What's the point though? He's getting paid like a bench guy and he's playing at 6th man level - or higher.
I don't agree with thinking he can be an all star but I don't understand the fascination to discredit him. He's a stud role player or great 6th man or decent starter and every team needs those guys..
Because he gets all this hype. Ok fine. lets hype him up as a part of a Big 3. He's untouchable. No problem. But then when he underperforms on the big stage, everyone points to his contract and says "Well what do you expect for the money?". Well which is it? Is he the next big thing for LA, or do we look at his contract and say he is decent for the money he is getting.
On 3/4 of team, most likely yes. What's the point though? He's getting paid like a bench guy and he's playing at 6th man level - or higher.
I don't agree with thinking he can be an all star but I don't understand the fascination to discredit him. He's a stud role player or great 6th man or decent starter and every team needs those guys..
Because he gets all this hype. Ok fine. lets hype him up as a part of a Big 3. He's untouchable. No problem. But then when he underperforms on the big stage, everyone points to his contract and says "Well what do you expect for the money?". Well which is it? Is he the next big thing for LA, or do we look at his contract and say he is decent for the money he is getting.
You're doing 2 things. You are exaggerating and you are confusing two totally different groups of people on LG. You sort that out and it will all make sense to you.
Good player not great
Good contract
Has definitely earned his pay
If you want him to be an all star then you are the one with the problem
If you get upset because a few people on LG say crazy things, then you are still the one with the problem.
AR, KCP, Josh Hart, DiVicenzo, Tim Hardaway Jr, Mann, Giddey, (TJ McConnell)… I think he’s right around here _________________ “The main goal for the Lakers is to win a championship. All I care about, all we care about, is to raise another banner in the rafters.“
On 3/4 of team, most likely yes. What's the point though? He's getting paid like a bench guy and he's playing at 6th man level - or higher.
I don't agree with thinking he can be an all star but I don't understand the fascination to discredit him. He's a stud role player or great 6th man or decent starter and every team needs those guys..
Because he gets all this hype. Ok fine. lets hype him up as a part of a Big 3. He's untouchable. No problem. But then when he underperforms on the big stage, everyone points to his contract and says "Well what do you expect for the money?". Well which is it? Is he the next big thing for LA, or do we look at his contract and say he is decent for the money he is getting.
You're doing 2 things. You are exaggerating and you are confusing two totally different groups of people on LG. You sort that out and it will all make sense to you.
Good player not great
Good contract
Has definitely earned his pay
If you want him to be an all star then you are the one with the problem
If you get upset because a few people on LG say crazy things, then you are still the one with the problem.
You’re right. We have to work hard to avoid the irrational takes issued emotionally without substance to dismiss them and if we fail to do that it’s our fault. Also, I’ve done it too and seen it many times, that is mistakenly looking at LG as one entity when logically we know it’s comprised of many different people. When there’s a contradiction in sentiment it’s often erroneously thought of as hypocrisy but it in reality it usually is different opinions from different people.
The overall climate does appear to overrate AR tho and I think that is the point. The consensus appears to be, “Untouchable but at least Don’t trade AR unless the Lakers get an all star in return”, when it doesn’t look as if he will ever be an all star due to limited athleticism. JMurray has never been an all star from Denver and I think that is an unlikely tho wishful ceiling for AR. The majority imo regard him higher tho, some don’t. He is good value, enough to keep for the future, but also, if the right opportunity is available, he should be useful with high trade value to upgrade the team, including acquiring a non-all star in return. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
AR won’t get to superstar level, just does not the athleticism and speed. What he does have is smarts, work ethic, handles and jack of all trades. Every team need those players. He is tradable but the return must be to our favor cause not only does he breed purple and gold and fan favorite.
I reallly feel we don’t need another star, if you fill AD and LBJ with players like AR, Caruso, Hart, KCP and Vando, I won’t be disappointed with the result because I can see that they will put all they have each and every game.
AR won’t get to superstar level, just does not the athleticism and speed. What he does have is smarts, work ethic, handles and jack of all trades. Every team need those players. He is tradable but the return must be to our favor {needs to be a clear unquestionable upgrade} cause not only does he breed purple and gold {he is a}…fan favorite.
I reallly feel we don’t need another star, if you fill AD and LBJ with players like AR, Caruso, Hart, KCP and Vando, I won’t be disappointed with the result because I can see that they will put all they have each and every game.
^ This, not untouchable, but also a valuable asset worth keeping long term. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
I reallly feel we don’t need another star, if you fill AD and LBJ with players like AR, Caruso, Hart, KCP and Vando, I won’t be disappointed with the result because I can see that they will put all they have each and every game.
you have listed elite-level role players outside of Vandy. bron and AD were perfectly healthy last year and got dumped in the first round. Does JJ change that/maybe, but he wasn't hired to change that. he was hired for player DEV and to lower expectations. _________________ Kobe.
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