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Hanging from Rafters Star Player

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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:30 am Post subject: |
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lakersfan8 wrote: | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | lakersfan8 wrote: | Can we stop trying to pair AR with another non-defensive guard such as Fox?
The only non-star PG that fits with AR is Lonzo Ball who should be our primary target in the offseason |
No we can’t, you can if you like but let us do our thang and you do yours.
What’s not to like about a dynamic legitimate 3rd scoring option in Fox 26/5/6 with 1.6 steals per game that would allow AR as a 4th scoring option off the bench to cook the reserve PG and reserve SG on the other team while Fox/Max handle the starters? AR would still play starter minutes >30 per game.
How is there logical commentary not to have Fox if we can get him to play with AR/Max? Are some so in love with AR that they are afraid that some of his shine would be diminished? It looks like Him would flourish even more and the Lakers would too!
What’s almost criminally deceitful is the characterization of the defensive by Fox. I read that “ Fox has the best defensive field goal percentage in the league right now” back in Nov of 2024 and he is among the leaders in the NBA in steals. The defensive rating isn’t great (114), but it isn’t bad and his scoring/assist/rebounds/steals more than makes up for it. |
You play AR > 30 mins so how much time do you play Fox and AR together and what’s your solution in defense during that stretch especially in 4th quarter?
I don’t have any problem of trading for Fox (although I think he is out of our range). My problem is having both of them together. |
Rui/Vincent/JHS/2FRPs/3swaps for Fox
PG- Fox 32min/AR- 16min/ (Shake)
SG- Max 32min/AR- 16min/ (Cam)
Fox/AR combo is far superior to any combination the Lakers currently have or have had since AR has been a Laker.
Still, I don’t think it matters without a legitimate back up C, plus the deal would need a disgruntled Fox and Klutch facilitation as Sac likely wouldn’t just do it unless they had to just salvage a bad situation…but since we’re dreaming…follow up with Knecht for Kessler.
Fox/AR
Max
DFS/Vando
LBJ
AD/Kessler
Shake/Cam/Wood/Hayes
Bronny/VetMin???
Fighting for a ship with that! _________________ When it’s a reasonable possibility, I expect the Lakers to go after a ship like it can’t be denied. I haven’t seen a respectable effort by the Front Office for the last two off seasons nor the last trade deadline. What is going on? |
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ContagiousInspiration Franchise Player


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Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2025 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Reaves needs to auction off the headband after wins like this - big mojo
Who is this kid.. is he going to continue and continue and continue to improve.. I think so  |
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levon Franchise Player

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Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2025 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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It's weird, it feels like he can just turn on his shooting by focusing. I feel like he's way better on longer 3s. |
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TMG Star Player

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Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:09 am Post subject: |
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AR likes big games me thinks.
Couple that with his incredibly herky jerky play style and you understand where the manu comparisons come from.
Manu is obviously better but i also think we are asking things of reaves that were never asked of Manu.
Of course Manus defense was much much better but on offense they both do high risk high reward plays. And sometimes it blows up in their faces but many times it's spectacular play.
I think like with Manu you shouldn't try to reel Reaves in. You just have to accept that this is how he plays and trying to control it will hinder his overall play. |
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tox Franchise Player

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Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 8:30 am Post subject: |
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AR has by far the most 1v1 juice on this team and I think the Lakers would be well-served, especially in 5 out spacing, to punish switching defenses by getting a big man onto AR.
AR's ability to decelerate on a dime mixes up elite perimeter defenders. Bigger players have no shot. |
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levon Franchise Player

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Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Last night was not a good game for the "Pritchard is more valuable for his contract" narrative. |
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defense Retired Number

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Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:04 am Post subject: |
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getting his FT game going again. that is what puts him on another level on offense. |
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CRoost Star Player

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Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 10:24 am Post subject: |
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ContagiousInspiration wrote: | Reaves needs to auction off the headband after wins like this - big mojo
Who is this kid.. is he going to continue and continue and continue to improve.. I think so  |
He need to get stronger like Caruso. His handles has been tighter though. |
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MJST Retired Number


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Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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Austin Reaves since being given the primary role (17 Games)
20.4 PPG
4.6 RPG
7.4 APG
1.1 SPG
2.6 TOV
44.9 Field Goal %
37.1 Three Point % (6.8 Attempts per game)
88.2 Free Throw %
If Reaves continues to play at this level, there should be no Lakers fan asking to trade him or seeking a 'third option', he's doing about as much and as well as you could ask a third option to do. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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tox Franchise Player

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Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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who told me AR has peaked and isn't gonna improve as a primary ballhandler
shame on you |
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ThePageDude Star Player

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Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 6:40 am Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | Austin Reaves since being given the primary role (17 Games)
20.4 PPG
4.6 RPG
7.4 APG
1.1 SPG
2.6 TOV
44.9 Field Goal %
37.1 Three Point % (6.8 Attempts per game)
88.2 Free Throw %
If Reaves continues to play at this level, there should be no Lakers fan asking to trade him or seeking a 'third option', he's doing about as much and as well as you could ask a third option to do. |
If he had adequate defense then those would be all-star numbers. |
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Halflife Franchise Player

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Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 7:07 am Post subject: |
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What the Celtics game proved is that we don’t need any trades to compete for a ring. We have everything. We have an all star like 3rd option in reaves- who else has that and 2 45 m per year stars and a savant as a coach. Let’s stop with all of the whining about needing a trade. _________________ https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDfvXWXvpeb/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== |
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Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 7:48 am Post subject: |
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ThePageDude wrote: | MJST wrote: | Austin Reaves since being given the primary role (17 Games)
20.4 PPG
4.6 RPG
7.4 APG
1.1 SPG
2.6 TOV
44.9 Field Goal %
37.1 Three Point % (6.8 Attempts per game)
88.2 Free Throw %
If Reaves continues to play at this level, there should be no Lakers fan asking to trade him or seeking a 'third option', he's doing about as much and as well as you could ask a third option to do. |
If he had adequate defense then those would be all-star numbers. |
They are all-star numbers. Dame put up similar numbers last year as a 2nd option (just 4 points more) and he was worse defensively than Reaves is. I wish that being a two-way player mattered towards being an all-star, but it doesn't seem to. JJ is on point when he says that over the past few weeks Reaves has put up all-star numbers. Again, as a third option, 18-20 points is impressive and deserves due credit. When your "big three" is putting up 24, 23, 20. You can't ask for much more from a three-headed tandem. It comes down to what the role players do and the construction of the team after that. Because AD, LeBron and now AR are doing what they are supposed to do. Reaves may be a better fit career-wise as a 6th man to a more talented and better point guard, but as of right now we don't have that and he's stepped up his game to play at that level. If he replicates it for the rest of this season, and a few more seasons then he'll be in the conversation of those better point guards and being one of them, as well as a likely career starter aka the Tyler Herro arc.
Difference is Tyler Herro makes 31-35M a year till 2027-2028.
Austin Reaves will be making 12-14M a year till 2027-2028.
If he keeps up this level of play he'll be one of the best contracts in the league for production in comparison to his contract. That makes him in my mind not worth considering trading. The value of his contract is far too high and he's locked in for the next 2-3 seasons. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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Kblo247! Star Player

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Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 8:38 am Post subject: |
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Halflife wrote: | What the Celtics game proved is that we don’t need any trades to compete for a ring. We have everything. We have an all star like 3rd option in reaves- who else has that and 2 45 m per year stars and a savant as a coach. Let’s stop with all of the whining about needing a trade. |
What the Celtics game proved is that the lakers killed Boston in a. Stretch in both halves where AD played next to Hayes. It means if you get the man a real damn center who can rebound too that we would kill teams. So you need the trade he called for a 5 who AD can play stretches with and allows AD to close at Center with legs. |
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Halflife Franchise Player

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Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 8:44 am Post subject: |
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Kblo247! wrote: | Halflife wrote: | What the Celtics game proved is that we don’t need any trades to compete for a ring. We have everything. We have an all star like 3rd option in reaves- who else has that and 2 45 m per year stars and a savant as a coach. Let’s stop with all of the whining about needing a trade. |
What the Celtics game proved is that the lakers killed Boston in a. Stretch in both halves where AD played next to Hayes. It means if you get the man a real damn center who can rebound too that we would kill teams. So you need the trade he called for a 5 who AD can play stretches with and allows AD to close at Center with legs. |
who has a better center rotation in the league? Nuggs? Only because on joker -
AD is our 5. _________________ https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDfvXWXvpeb/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== |
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Hanging from Rafters Star Player

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Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 11:48 am Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | Austin Reaves since being given the primary role (17 Games)
20.4 PPG
4.6 RPG
7.4 APG
1.1 SPG
2.6 TOV
44.9 Field Goal %
37.1 Three Point % (6.8 Attempts per game)
88.2 Free Throw %
If Reaves continues to play at this level, there should be no Lakers fan asking to trade him or seeking a 'third option', he's doing about as much and as well as you could ask a third option to do. |
AR is very valuable, especially at his salary and the potential for Him to be even better as time progresses. He should be considered a vital part of the Lakers future. He is not, however, in that untouchable category of players that so many fans try to put him in. To infer that no trade should be hypothesized by any fan is over hype.
There are some players that shouldn’t be dealt regardless such as SGA/Wemby/Jokic etc, who’s value is so high that there is no salary matching that would result in a better result. For just about all others…there are a few more untouchable guys…it depends on the package. That is the category AR is in, unlikely to upgrade in a trade, but it is possible depending on the package. IMO, it’s evident AR has reached that status of fandomship for a player over fandomship for the team because it appears many fans agree with the opinion that he is untouchable, maybe even the FO.
AR could be upgraded…cheaper players that contribute on both sides of the ball…in a trade for:
Dyson Daniels - Hawks
Jalen Williams - Thunder
Those above are unlikely. I’d prefer to keep AR vs almost all reasonable trade scenarios…but if the right deal is available I’d trade just about anybody. _________________ When it’s a reasonable possibility, I expect the Lakers to go after a ship like it can’t be denied. I haven’t seen a respectable effort by the Front Office for the last two off seasons nor the last trade deadline. What is going on?
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BILBJH Star Player

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Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 11:54 am Post subject: |
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Dyson Daniels, another player that would become part of the fateful AD trade.
Shouldn't just throw away first round picks like they are nothing, especially when you might be without Bron and AD in the next five years. |
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Hanging from Rafters Star Player

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Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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BILBJH wrote: | Dyson Daniels, another player that would become part of the fateful AD trade.
Shouldn't just throw away first round picks like they are nothing, especially when you might be without Bron and AD in the next five years. |
Agreed, don’t throw away FRPs. There are too sides of the same failure coin however and both sides are unfavorable. The other side is hoarding FRPs resulting in sacrificing an opportunity for an existing chance to compete for a title in an effort to potentially compete hypothetically for a title in the future. There should be a logical reasonable balance to avoid either extreme.
None of us know what that balance looks like for sure…we’re all speculating, could be right or wrong…but imo the Lakers FO has leaned toward the hoarding extreme. With this current team…flawed roster/rookie coach…they have managed a WCF and 5th in the standings. The appropriate use of FRPs seem reasonably logical enough to have a better chance used now for title(s) than they would reasonably have if those FRPs are used in the future. _________________ When it’s a reasonable possibility, I expect the Lakers to go after a ship like it can’t be denied. I haven’t seen a respectable effort by the Front Office for the last two off seasons nor the last trade deadline. What is going on? |
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leking006 Star Player

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Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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back2back games next 2 games. Should Lebron rest vs Hornets? |
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TMG Star Player

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Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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People seriously want Sexton ahead of Reaves? Or was it just Ventura wanting that?
Either way hell no. What we are asking Reaves to do imo is WAY too much. And he's actually rising up to the occasion so far.
He's filling up the stat sheet. People should be proud of him. I sure am. |
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Nobody Star Player


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Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:10 am Post subject: |
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He has absolutely no defensive awareness. I made it a point to watch only him on defense for the first couple of quarters and I've lost the number of times he simply wanders off with no idea of where he is supposed to go. Can they not show him film of those miscues? The plays didn't even have anything to do with his athletic ability or slow lateral movement, he gets lost and appears like he doesn't know what to do. |
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Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 7:49 am Post subject: |
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leking006 wrote: | back2back games next 2 games. Should Lebron rest vs Hornets? |
worse then that really
we play: Mon, Tue, Thu, and Sat
4 games in 6 days
against Hornets, 76ers, Wizards, Knicks
on the road
this is a meat grinder _________________ Never argue with a fool - listeners can't tell you apart
Wilt's unstoppable fadeaway: www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O9MgNfcGJA
NPZ's Magic Johnson mix: www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8Qbo0WqvOI |
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levon Franchise Player

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Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 9:50 am Post subject: |
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P.K. wrote: | leking006 wrote: | back2back games next 2 games. Should Lebron rest vs Hornets? |
worse then that really
we play: Mon, Tue, Thu, and Sat
4 games in 6 days
against Hornets, 76ers, Wizards, Knicks
on the road
this is a meat grinder |
Just try your best to go 3-1 in this stretch. I think the Knicks game is winnable too in a vacuum, but probably not with how lethargic this team plays when traveling. Let's hope we don't drop the Hornets and Wiz games. |
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Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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P.K. wrote: | leking006 wrote: | back2back games next 2 games. Should Lebron rest vs Hornets? |
worse then that really
we play: Mon, Tue, Thu, and Sat
4 games in 6 days
against Hornets, 76ers, Wizards, Knicks
on the road
this is a meat grinder |
The “rest” that the LA teams got has tough payback. The Clippers just played 5 games in 7 days and now the Lakers get a compressed schedule. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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P.K. Retired Number

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levon wrote: | P.K. wrote: | leking006 wrote: | back2back games next 2 games. Should Lebron rest vs Hornets? |
worse then that really
we play: Mon, Tue, Thu, and Sat
4 games in 6 days
against Hornets, 76ers, Wizards, Knicks
on the road
this is a meat grinder |
Just try your best to go 3-1 in this stretch. I think the Knicks game is winnable too in a vacuum, but probably not with how lethargic this team plays when traveling. Let's hope we don't drop the Hornets and Wiz games. |
if they're gonna rest Lebron, it'd be best to do it against the Wizards of course.
2nd best probably the 76'rs. _________________ Never argue with a fool - listeners can't tell you apart
Wilt's unstoppable fadeaway: www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O9MgNfcGJA
NPZ's Magic Johnson mix: www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8Qbo0WqvOI |
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