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CervantesRises
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| Outspoken wrote: | Besides Handy, all of Ham's assistants are not good.
Ham doesn't have a good eye for talented assistants.
Right now, he's not a good coach his self.
He needs to have a head coach on the bench with him.
Lakers need to choose his assistants. |
A trip to the WCF as a rookie HC, from a 2-10 start, with AD and Bron missing more than 25 games each, while integrating an entirely new team post ASB, with most of the players being concerned about their next payday, and leading them to the best record post ASB while beating the 2 seed and champs decidedly says other wise.
Just maybe this guy knows what he's doing... he's better as a coach then you are at evaluating him as a coach for sure.🙄
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| cooleggs wrote: | Same people shiiiting on Ham shat on Rob and look at what he's gotten done this off-season (just think what we'd be looking at if we'd have made the Indi trade at the beginning of the year?!).
Sometimes I think all the stuff the haters say about us Lakers fans is kind of justified - lol. Getting to the WCF in his rookie season, given the situation - don't you think Ham deserves credit? -- He does in my book.
All of you back seat drivers know way less than you think. You're like the civilians clamoring for war telling the generals their battle plans suck. Me think it's harder than it looks.
I really think LG has not liked a coach since Pat Riley - lol!!! |
Facts!
Remember all the (bleep) Phil used to get?
5 Rings didn't shut stupidity up.
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| 32 wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | The Lakers are hiring DeMarre Carroll as an asst coach on Darvin Ham's staff, sources told ESPN. Carroll worked for Mike Budenholzer in MIL last season. Ham, Carroll and Bud were all in Atlanta together when ATL went 60-22 w/ Carroll as the starting SF and was No. 1 in the East |
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| Quote: | | I can confirm this - Ham loves when his assistant coaches can get on the court and work with players |
https://twitter.com/DanWoikeSports/status/1675979198295592960?t=rycTdy9zorejhi9SzWdqOA&s=19 |
His hiring should probably get its own thread
Was that team stacked or was coaching a big factor in all those wins? |
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Outspoken
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| CervantesRises wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | Besides Handy, all of Ham's assistants are not good.
Ham doesn't have a good eye for talented assistants.
Right now, he's not a good coach his self.
He needs to have a head coach on the bench with him.
Lakers need to choose his assistants. |
A trip to the WCF as a rookie HC, from a 2-10 start, with AD and Bron missing more than 25 games each, while integrating an entirely new team post ASB, with most of the players being concerned about their next payday, and leading them to the best record post ASB while beating the 2 seed and champs decidedly says other wise.
Just maybe this guy knows what he's doing... he's better as a coach then you are at evaluating him as a coach for sure.🙄 |
Started 2-10 and the team wasn't good until the trade deadline.
Consistently played the combination of Schröder, Pat Bev, Russ.
No need to cherry pick, talk about it all.
We seen the bad coaching in the 1st half and even in the 2nd half.
They were good in the 2nd half, despite the coaching.
But let's talk the WCF.
The coaching was starting Schröder, Austin, and DLO against the long Denver team.
The coaching was consistently playing that combination even though it was shown to be ineffective against the longer Nuggets.
The coaching was lack of in game adjustment.
The coaching was finally deciding to play Tristan against Joker in the 4th game.
The coaching was not trying Beasley or Troy Brown, going with Lonnie, just because he had 1 good game vs the Warriors.
Etc ....
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CervantesRises
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| ContagiousInspiration wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | The Lakers are hiring DeMarre Carroll as an asst coach on Darvin Ham's staff, sources told ESPN. Carroll worked for Mike Budenholzer in MIL last season. Ham, Carroll and Bud were all in Atlanta together when ATL went 60-22 w/ Carroll as the starting SF and was No. 1 in the East |
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| Quote: | | I can confirm this - Ham loves when his assistant coaches can get on the court and work with players |
https://twitter.com/DanWoikeSports/status/1675979198295592960?t=rycTdy9zorejhi9SzWdqOA&s=19 |
His hiring should probably get its own thread
Was that team stacked or was coaching a big factor in all those wins? |
Do you honestly think a team without Bron on the floor won games with new players playing together for the first time in spite of coaching?
Come on y'all.
Have any of you ever coached?
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CervantesRises
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| Outspoken wrote: | | CervantesRises wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | Besides Handy, all of Ham's assistants are not good.
Ham doesn't have a good eye for talented assistants.
Right now, he's not a good coach his self.
He needs to have a head coach on the bench with him.
Lakers need to choose his assistants. |
A trip to the WCF as a rookie HC, from a 2-10 start, with AD and Bron missing more than 25 games each, while integrating an entirely new team post ASB, with most of the players being concerned about their next payday, and leading them to the best record post ASB while beating the 2 seed and champs decidedly says other wise.
Just maybe this guy knows what he's doing... he's better as a coach then you are at evaluating him as a coach for sure.🙄 |
Started 2-10 and the team wasn't good until the trade deadline.
Consistently played the combination of Schröder, Pat Bev, Russ.
No need to cherry pick.
We seen the bad coaching in the 1st half and even in the 2nd half.
They were good, despite the coaching.
But let's take the WCF.
The coaching was starting Schröder, Austin, and DLO against Denver.
The coaching was consistently playing that combination even though it was shown to be ineffective against the longer Nuggets.
The coaching was lack of in game adjustment.
The coaching was final deciding to play Tristan against Joker in the 4th game.
The coaching was not trying Beasley or Troy Brown, going with Lonnie, just because he had 1 good game vs the Warriors.
Etc .... |
Cherry picking?
You ignored the fact he out coached Steve Freaking Kerr in a masterful back and forth series putting on the best display of adjustments I never thought possible.
Give Denver and especially Joker their credit.
We didn't lose that series because of Ham. We lost to the better team.
You're completely entitled to your opinion.
It's wrong... but you are entitled to it.
Let me ask you this though...
What does complaining about a HC on a discussion board do to make you feel good?
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Right! And all of this winning in spite of stuff is ridiculous. Winning in the playoffs is extremely hard - and absent an injury - you don't luck into anything. You can easily get beat! When things are going south - there's little or no time to correct. Plus - our roster wasn't filled with guys capable of doing anything in spite of the coach.
Darvin Ham is a flawed human being and a flawed coach - but I will not cast the 80th stone because I'm not in his shoes. I can only judge him on the outcome. WCF (with a sweep) - is how we all have to judge him. Only 4 coaches made it that far. |
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Outspoken
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| CervantesRises wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | CervantesRises wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | Besides Handy, all of Ham's assistants are not good.
Ham doesn't have a good eye for talented assistants.
Right now, he's not a good coach his self.
He needs to have a head coach on the bench with him.
Lakers need to choose his assistants. |
A trip to the WCF as a rookie HC, from a 2-10 start, with AD and Bron missing more than 25 games each, while integrating an entirely new team post ASB, with most of the players being concerned about their next payday, and leading them to the best record post ASB while beating the 2 seed and champs decidedly says other wise.
Just maybe this guy knows what he's doing... he's better as a coach then you are at evaluating him as a coach for sure.🙄 |
Started 2-10 and the team wasn't good until the trade deadline.
Consistently played the combination of Schröder, Pat Bev, Russ.
No need to cherry pick.
We seen the bad coaching in the 1st half and even in the 2nd half.
They were good, despite the coaching.
But let's take the WCF.
The coaching was starting Schröder, Austin, and DLO against Denver.
The coaching was consistently playing that combination even though it was shown to be ineffective against the longer Nuggets.
The coaching was lack of in game adjustment.
The coaching was final deciding to play Tristan against Joker in the 4th game.
The coaching was not trying Beasley or Troy Brown, going with Lonnie, just because he had 1 good game vs the Warriors.
Etc .... |
Cherry picking?
You ignored the fact he out coached Steve Freaking Kerr in a masterful back and forth series putting on the best display of adjustments I never thought possible.
Give Denver and especially Joker their credit.
We didn't lose that series because of Ham. We lost to the better team.
You're completely entitled to your opinion.
It's wrong... but you are entitled to it.
Let me ask you this though...
What does complaining about a HC on a discussion board do to make you feel good? |
A message board is to voice your opinion.
I'm voicing my informed opinion.
It's called a MESSAGE board and you are responding with your MESSAGE.
That tells me you understand how a message board works.
You're definitely cherry picking.
Acting as if the 1st half of the season never happened.
Acting as if we didn't see him constantly play Schröder, Pat Bev, Russ.
Acting as if we didn't see him go with an all guard line up, with Russ at center.
Acting as if we missed him not knowing when to take timeouts.
Russell Westbrook had to constantly tell him to take a time out.
Acting as if we didn't see him watching the game as a fan with floor seat some times.
Etc...
The Lakers had a better team than the Warriors.
And the Lakers won despite the coaching.
I think you have a problem with seeing coaching and seeing the team.
It's a package, but you could also see them apart.
You could also see if a team is just good, despite coaching or if a team is not good, just well coached.
You could see if a team is good and well coached.
There's time a coach make it to the finals, and not that good of a head coach; like Vogel, Doc Rivers, or Mike Brown.
They are solid assistants, but not so good head coaches, though Mike have grown into a pretty fine head coach.
Warriors are good and well coached.
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cooleggs
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2023 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | CervantesRises wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | CervantesRises wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | Besides Handy, all of Ham's assistants are not good.
Ham doesn't have a good eye for talented assistants.
Right now, he's not a good coach his self.
He needs to have a head coach on the bench with him.
Lakers need to choose his assistants. |
A trip to the WCF as a rookie HC, from a 2-10 start, with AD and Bron missing more than 25 games each, while integrating an entirely new team post ASB, with most of the players being concerned about their next payday, and leading them to the best record post ASB while beating the 2 seed and champs decidedly says other wise.
Just maybe this guy knows what he's doing... he's better as a coach then you are at evaluating him as a coach for sure.🙄 |
Started 2-10 and the team wasn't good until the trade deadline.
Consistently played the combination of Schröder, Pat Bev, Russ.
No need to cherry pick.
We seen the bad coaching in the 1st half and even in the 2nd half.
They were good, despite the coaching.
But let's take the WCF.
The coaching was starting Schröder, Austin, and DLO against Denver.
The coaching was consistently playing that combination even though it was shown to be ineffective against the longer Nuggets.
The coaching was lack of in game adjustment.
The coaching was final deciding to play Tristan against Joker in the 4th game.
The coaching was not trying Beasley or Troy Brown, going with Lonnie, just because he had 1 good game vs the Warriors.
Etc .... |
Cherry picking?
You ignored the fact he out coached Steve Freaking Kerr in a masterful back and forth series putting on the best display of adjustments I never thought possible.
Give Denver and especially Joker their credit.
We didn't lose that series because of Ham. We lost to the better team.
You're completely entitled to your opinion.
It's wrong... but you are entitled to it.
Let me ask you this though...
What does complaining about a HC on a discussion board do to make you feel good? |
You're definitely cherry picking.
Acting as if the 1st half of the season never happened.
Acting as if we didn't see him constantly play Schröder, Pat Bev, Russ.
Acting as if we didn't see him go with an all guard line up, with Russ at center.
Acting as if we missed him not knowing when to take timeouts.
Russell Westbrook had to constantly tell him to take a time out.
Acting as if we didn't see him watching the game as a fan with floor seat some times.
Etc...
The Lakers had a better team than the Warriors.
And the Lakers won despite the coaching.
I think you have a problem with seeing coaching and seeing the team.
It's a package, but you could also see them apart.
You could also see if a team is just good, despite coaching or if a team is not good, just well coached.
You could see if a team is good and well coached.
There's time a coach make it to the finals, and not that good of a head coach; like Vogel or Mike Brown.
They are solid assistants, but not so good head coaches, though Mike have grown into a pretty fine head coach.
Warriors are good and well coached. |
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The Lakers had a better team than the Warriors.
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Warriors are good and well coached
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You got some splannin to do Lucy???!! |
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| cooleggs wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: |
You're definitely cherry picking.
Acting as if the 1st half of the season never happened.
Acting as if we didn't see him constantly play Schröder, Pat Bev, Russ.
Acting as if we didn't see him go with an all guard line up, with Russ at center.
Acting as if we missed him not knowing when to take timeouts.
Russell Westbrook had to constantly tell him to take a time out.
Acting as if we didn't see him watching the game as a fan with floor seat some times.
Etc...
The Lakers had a better team than the Warriors.
And the Lakers won despite the coaching.
I think you have a problem with seeing coaching and seeing the team.
It's a package, but you could also see them apart.
You could also see if a team is just good, despite coaching or if a team is not good, just well coached.
You could see if a team is good and well coached.
There's time a coach make it to the finals, and not that good of a head coach; like Vogel or Mike Brown.
They are solid assistants, but not so good head coaches, though Mike have grown into a pretty fine head coach.
Warriors are good and well coached. |
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The Lakers had a better team than the Warriors.
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Warriors are good and well coached
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You got some splannin to do Lucy???!! |
What's there not to understand?
The Lakers had a better team than the warriors, doesn't mean the Warriors are not a good team.
How did that go over your head?
I think you were over thinking it. |
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Could be - but I think it comes down to how much better of a team you think the Lakers were - and what impact you think coaching has on a team in the playoffs.
The nightly pressure we all remember watching those Lakers/GS playoff games - does not seem to jive with the Lakers being far in away better. It seems your logic has to have Darvin better than your have him if you assert GS and Kerr were net positives. |
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| Outspoken wrote: | Besides Handy, all of Ham's assistants are not good.
Ham doesn't have a good eye for talented assistants.
Right now, he's not a good coach his self.
He needs to have a head coach on the bench with him.
Lakers need to choose his assistants. |
Man why tf do you talk like you're such an expert on everything? Please, lend us your wisdom and insight about Demarre Carroll's (or whoever) coaching prowess |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | cooleggs wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: |
You're definitely cherry picking.
Acting as if the 1st half of the season never happened.
Acting as if we didn't see him constantly play Schröder, Pat Bev, Russ.
Acting as if we didn't see him go with an all guard line up, with Russ at center.
Acting as if we missed him not knowing when to take timeouts.
Russell Westbrook had to constantly tell him to take a time out.
Acting as if we didn't see him watching the game as a fan with floor seat some times.
Etc...
The Lakers had a better team than the Warriors.
And the Lakers won despite the coaching.
I think you have a problem with seeing coaching and seeing the team.
It's a package, but you could also see them apart.
You could also see if a team is just good, despite coaching or if a team is not good, just well coached.
You could see if a team is good and well coached.
There's time a coach make it to the finals, and not that good of a head coach; like Vogel or Mike Brown.
They are solid assistants, but not so good head coaches, though Mike have grown into a pretty fine head coach.
Warriors are good and well coached. |
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The Lakers had a better team than the Warriors.
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and also
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Warriors are good and well coached
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You got some splannin to do Lucy???!! |
What's there not to understand?
The Lakers had a better team than the warriors, doesn't mean the Warriors are not a good team.
How did that go over your head?
I think you were over thinking it. |
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CervantesRises
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| Outspoken wrote: | | CervantesRises wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | CervantesRises wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | Besides Handy, all of Ham's assistants are not good.
Ham doesn't have a good eye for talented assistants.
Right now, he's not a good coach his self.
He needs to have a head coach on the bench with him.
Lakers need to choose his assistants. |
A trip to the WCF as a rookie HC, from a 2-10 start, with AD and Bron missing more than 25 games each, while integrating an entirely new team post ASB, with most of the players being concerned about their next payday, and leading them to the best record post ASB while beating the 2 seed and champs decidedly says other wise.
Just maybe this guy knows what he's doing... he's better as a coach then you are at evaluating him as a coach for sure.🙄 |
Started 2-10 and the team wasn't good until the trade deadline.
Consistently played the combination of Schröder, Pat Bev, Russ.
No need to cherry pick.
We seen the bad coaching in the 1st half and even in the 2nd half.
They were good, despite the coaching.
But let's take the WCF.
The coaching was starting Schröder, Austin, and DLO against Denver.
The coaching was consistently playing that combination even though it was shown to be ineffective against the longer Nuggets.
The coaching was lack of in game adjustment.
The coaching was final deciding to play Tristan against Joker in the 4th game.
The coaching was not trying Beasley or Troy Brown, going with Lonnie, just because he had 1 good game vs the Warriors.
Etc .... |
Cherry picking?
You ignored the fact he out coached Steve Freaking Kerr in a masterful back and forth series putting on the best display of adjustments I never thought possible.
Give Denver and especially Joker their credit.
We didn't lose that series because of Ham. We lost to the better team.
You're completely entitled to your opinion.
It's wrong... but you are entitled to it.
Let me ask you this though...
What does complaining about a HC on a discussion board do to make you feel good? |
A message board is to voice your opinion.
I'm voicing my informed opinion.
It's called a MESSAGE board and you are responding with your MESSAGE.
That tells me you understand how a message board works.
You're definitely cherry picking.
Acting as if the 1st half of the season never happened.
Acting as if we didn't see him constantly play Schröder, Pat Bev, Russ.
Acting as if we didn't see him go with an all guard line up, with Russ at center.
Acting as if we missed him not knowing when to take timeouts.
Russell Westbrook had to constantly tell him to take a time out.
Acting as if we didn't see him watching the game as a fan with floor seat some times.
Etc...
The Lakers had a better team than the Warriors.
And the Lakers won despite the coaching.
I think you have a problem with seeing coaching and seeing the team.
It's a package, but you could also see them apart.
You could also see if a team is just good, despite coaching or if a team is not good, just well coached.
You could see if a team is good and well coached.
There's time a coach make it to the finals, and not that good of a head coach; like Vogel, Doc Rivers, or Mike Brown.
They are solid assistants, but not so good head coaches, though Mike have grown into a pretty fine head coach.
Warriors are good and well coached. |
Well... I'll give you that...
You are choosing to be a dick.
I didn't read beyond the attempted putdown sooooo
Yeah.🙄
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Cooleggs...
That Lucy comment
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| tox wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | Besides Handy, all of Ham's assistants are not good.
Ham doesn't have a good eye for talented assistants.
Right now, he's not a good coach his self.
He needs to have a head coach on the bench with him.
Lakers need to choose his assistants. |
Man why tf do you talk like you're such an expert on everything? Please, lend us your wisdom and insight about Demarre Carroll's (or whoever) coaching prowess |
He's mainly here for veteran leadership.
Nothing wrong with that. |
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| CervantesRises wrote: | Cooleggs...
That Lucy comment
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
"I love Lucy" is classic. |
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| CervantesRises wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | CervantesRises wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | CervantesRises wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | Besides Handy, all of Ham's assistants are not good.
Ham doesn't have a good eye for talented assistants.
Right now, he's not a good coach his self.
He needs to have a head coach on the bench with him.
Lakers need to choose his assistants. |
A trip to the WCF as a rookie HC, from a 2-10 start, with AD and Bron missing more than 25 games each, while integrating an entirely new team post ASB, with most of the players being concerned about their next payday, and leading them to the best record post ASB while beating the 2 seed and champs decidedly says other wise.
Just maybe this guy knows what he's doing... he's better as a coach then you are at evaluating him as a coach for sure.🙄 |
Started 2-10 and the team wasn't good until the trade deadline.
Consistently played the combination of Schröder, Pat Bev, Russ.
No need to cherry pick.
We seen the bad coaching in the 1st half and even in the 2nd half.
They were good, despite the coaching.
But let's take the WCF.
The coaching was starting Schröder, Austin, and DLO against Denver.
The coaching was consistently playing that combination even though it was shown to be ineffective against the longer Nuggets.
The coaching was lack of in game adjustment.
The coaching was final deciding to play Tristan against Joker in the 4th game.
The coaching was not trying Beasley or Troy Brown, going with Lonnie, just because he had 1 good game vs the Warriors.
Etc .... |
Cherry picking?
You ignored the fact he out coached Steve Freaking Kerr in a masterful back and forth series putting on the best display of adjustments I never thought possible.
Give Denver and especially Joker their credit.
We didn't lose that series because of Ham. We lost to the better team.
You're completely entitled to your opinion.
It's wrong... but you are entitled to it.
Let me ask you this though...
What does complaining about a HC on a discussion board do to make you feel good? |
A message board is to voice your opinion.
I'm voicing my informed opinion.
It's called a MESSAGE board and you are responding with your MESSAGE.
That tells me you understand how a message board works.
You're definitely cherry picking.
Acting as if the 1st half of the season never happened.
Acting as if we didn't see him constantly play Schröder, Pat Bev, Russ.
Acting as if we didn't see him go with an all guard line up, with Russ at center.
Acting as if we missed him not knowing when to take timeouts.
Russell Westbrook had to constantly tell him to take a time out.
Acting as if we didn't see him watching the game as a fan with floor seat some times.
Etc...
The Lakers had a better team than the Warriors.
And the Lakers won despite the coaching.
I think you have a problem with seeing coaching and seeing the team.
It's a package, but you could also see them apart.
You could also see if a team is just good, despite coaching or if a team is not good, just well coached.
You could see if a team is good and well coached.
There's time a coach make it to the finals, and not that good of a head coach; like Vogel, Doc Rivers, or Mike Brown.
They are solid assistants, but not so good head coaches, though Mike have grown into a pretty fine head coach.
Warriors are good and well coached. |
Well... I'll give you that...
You are choosing to be a dick.
I didn't read beyond the attempted putdown sooooo
Yeah.🙄 |
Naw he not being a dick..he just giving out that work...he making nice arguements and backing up his "opinion" and yawl cant answer it or rather call names...in a debate that would be called a win.. |
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Welcome Coach Carroll!! 
DeMarre Carroll Joins Darvin Ham's Coaching Staff as Assistant
| Quote: | According to Dave McMenamin of ESPN, the Los Angeles Lakers hired former NBA player DeMarre Carroll, 36, as an assistant coach. Lakers head coach Darvin Ham was an assistant coach on the 2013-14 Atlanta Hawks team that Carroll played for during his career, so there is a clear connection in place.
This will not be his first coaching job.
Carroll was an assistant coach for the Milwaukee Bucks last season when Mike Budenholzer was the head coach. Budenholzer was also the head coach of that 2013-14 Hawks team.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10081579-lakers-rumors-demarre-carroll-joins-darvin-hams-coaching-staff-as-assistant |
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| I saw that Rondo was helping Lebron coach his son's youth team. Just makes me wonder why the Lakers haven't already snatched Rondo up for the coaching staff? DeMarre Carroll getting hired before Rondo is interesting considering Rondo was known for being up there with Lebron in basketball IQ. And is still young enough to get on the floor and work with the team. |
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| eureca wrote: | | I saw that Rondo was helping Lebron coach his son's youth team. Just makes me wonder why the Lakers haven't already snatched Rondo up for the coaching staff? DeMarre Carroll getting hired before Rondo is interesting considering Rondo was known for being up there with Lebron in basketball IQ. And is still young enough to get on the floor and work with the team. |
Rondo would be great for AD.
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | CervantesRises wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | CervantesRises wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | CervantesRises wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | Besides Handy, all of Ham's assistants are not good.
Ham doesn't have a good eye for talented assistants.
Right now, he's not a good coach his self.
He needs to have a head coach on the bench with him.
Lakers need to choose his assistants. |
A trip to the WCF as a rookie HC, from a 2-10 start, with AD and Bron missing more than 25 games each, while integrating an entirely new team post ASB, with most of the players being concerned about their next payday, and leading them to the best record post ASB while beating the 2 seed and champs decidedly says other wise.
Just maybe this guy knows what he's doing... he's better as a coach then you are at evaluating him as a coach for sure.🙄 |
Started 2-10 and the team wasn't good until the trade deadline.
Consistently played the combination of Schröder, Pat Bev, Russ.
No need to cherry pick.
We seen the bad coaching in the 1st half and even in the 2nd half.
They were good, despite the coaching.
But let's take the WCF.
The coaching was starting Schröder, Austin, and DLO against Denver.
The coaching was consistently playing that combination even though it was shown to be ineffective against the longer Nuggets.
The coaching was lack of in game adjustment.
The coaching was final deciding to play Tristan against Joker in the 4th game.
The coaching was not trying Beasley or Troy Brown, going with Lonnie, just because he had 1 good game vs the Warriors.
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Cherry picking?
You ignored the fact he out coached Steve Freaking Kerr in a masterful back and forth series putting on the best display of adjustments I never thought possible.
Give Denver and especially Joker their credit.
We didn't lose that series because of Ham. We lost to the better team.
You're completely entitled to your opinion.
It's wrong... but you are entitled to it.
Let me ask you this though...
What does complaining about a HC on a discussion board do to make you feel good? |
A message board is to voice your opinion.
I'm voicing my informed opinion.
It's called a MESSAGE board and you are responding with your MESSAGE.
That tells me you understand how a message board works.
You're definitely cherry picking.
Acting as if the 1st half of the season never happened.
Acting as if we didn't see him constantly play Schröder, Pat Bev, Russ.
Acting as if we didn't see him go with an all guard line up, with Russ at center.
Acting as if we missed him not knowing when to take timeouts.
Russell Westbrook had to constantly tell him to take a time out.
Acting as if we didn't see him watching the game as a fan with floor seat some times.
Etc...
The Lakers had a better team than the Warriors.
And the Lakers won despite the coaching.
I think you have a problem with seeing coaching and seeing the team.
It's a package, but you could also see them apart.
You could also see if a team is just good, despite coaching or if a team is not good, just well coached.
You could see if a team is good and well coached.
There's time a coach make it to the finals, and not that good of a head coach; like Vogel, Doc Rivers, or Mike Brown.
They are solid assistants, but not so good head coaches, though Mike have grown into a pretty fine head coach.
Warriors are good and well coached. |
Well... I'll give you that...
You are choosing to be a dick.
I didn't read beyond the attempted putdown sooooo
Yeah.🙄 |
Naw he not being a dick..he just giving out that work...he making nice arguements and backing up his "opinion" and yawl cant answer it or rather call names...in a debate that would be called a win.. |
LOL, outspoken and justobserver joining together is it coming from the same hands and the same keyboard? |
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stackcheese
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ham should be on a short leash if we start poorly
this is the lakers its championship or gtfo western conference finals isn't enough and they were embarrassingly bad losses |
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| stackcheese wrote: | ham should be on a short leash if we start poorly
this is the lakers its championship or gtfo western conference finals isn't enough and they were embarrassingly bad losses |
I don't agree about the short leash. Last year, the team hovered in the 13th seed/lottery most of the season until the trade deadline. Then when they made the big move, there was a steady improvement and a peak right at the right time.
If anything, he's shown he can withstand poor starts (2-10) and turn the situation around. I don't know if he's going to be at the level where he's going to be able to put forth a championship level defense or offense, but I don't agree he should be scapegoated. |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | | stackcheese wrote: | ham should be on a short leash if we start poorly
this is the lakers its championship or gtfo western conference finals isn't enough and they were embarrassingly bad losses |
I don't agree about the short leash. Last year, the team hovered in the 13th seed/lottery most of the season until the trade deadline. Then when they made the big move, there was a steady improvement and a peak right at the right time.
If anything, he's shown he can withstand poor starts (2-10) and turn the situation around. I don't know if he's going to be at the level where he's going to be able to put forth a championship level defense or offense, but I don't agree he should be scapegoated. |
Don’t know why anyone would expect a bad start. This team is going to be really good. All the reasons we had a bad start last year are gone.
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