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| lakersfever714 wrote: | Every season it's the same (bleep). Sick and tired of underachieving and all I hear are excuses to justify not firing incompetence. I guess Ham fits in perfectly with our front office. Probably why they've kept him for so long. Vogel was too good and too successful for this dysfunctional franchise.  |
Vogel was the fall man for Rob's incompetence. They did him dirty.
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | Every season it's the same (bleep). Sick and tired of underachieving and all I hear are excuses to justify not firing incompetence. I guess Ham fits in perfectly with our front office. Probably why they've kept him for so long. Vogel was too good and too successful for this dysfunctional franchise. |
What were your realistic expectations of the team to start the year? I was expecting 20 games in to be right around 500, Bron and AD to be getting in shape, and the league to be past the tournament where some team will try to win something for the first time. I also expected the Lakers to surgery the league and decide if a trade was viable and then be a playoff team. But I wasn’t expecting a 70% win pace to start |
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miggz23
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Every season it's the same (bleep). Sick and tired of underachieving and all I hear are excuses to justify not firing incompetence. I guess Ham fits in perfectly with our front office. Probably why they've kept him for so long. Vogel was too good and too successful for this dysfunctional franchise. |
What were your realistic expectations of the team to start the year? I was expecting 20 games in to be right around 500, Bron and AD to be getting in shape, and the league to be past the tournament where some team will try to win something for the first time. I also expected the Lakers to surgery the league and decide if a trade was viable and then be a playoff team. But I wasn’t expecting a 70% win pace to start |
Maybe a 95% healthy team. But no one expected this much injuries to start the season also. I mean it's a freaking joke at this point.
Ham need to shake up the line-up with a really depleted roster. If AD can come back next game. I would go with this line-up until everyone gets back.
Starters: DLO/Prince/Rui/Lebron/AD
Bench: Reaves/Christie/Cam/Woods/ One of AD or Lebron. Hayes if healthy.
Fully healthy you go back.
Starters: DLO/Reaves/Vando/Lebron/AD
Bench: Gabe/Prince/Rui/Wood/Hayes
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Kblo247!
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| miggz23 wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Every season it's the same (bleep). Sick and tired of underachieving and all I hear are excuses to justify not firing incompetence. I guess Ham fits in perfectly with our front office. Probably why they've kept him for so long. Vogel was too good and too successful for this dysfunctional franchise. |
What were your realistic expectations of the team to start the year? I was expecting 20 games in to be right around 500, Bron and AD to be getting in shape, and the league to be past the tournament where some team will try to win something for the first time. I also expected the Lakers to surgery the league and decide if a trade was viable and then be a playoff team. But I wasn’t expecting a 70% win pace to start |
Maybe a 95% healthy team. But no one expected this much injuries to start the season also. I mean it's a freaking joke at this point.
Ham need to shake up the line-up with a really depleted roster. If AD can come back next game. I would go with this line-up until everyone gets back.
Starters: DLO/Prince/Rui/Lebron/AD
Bench: Reaves/Christie/Cam/Woods/ One of AD or Lebron. Hayes if healthy.
Fully healthy you got back
Starters: DLO/Reaves/Vando/Lebron/AD
Bench: Gabe/Prince/Rui/Wood/Hayes |
We are at the point you may need a 10 day (know it ain’t possible) for a guy like Gabriel.
But that said it’s crazy and it isn’t.
Suns - Beal hasn’t played and Booker has missed most games. KD has been in over drive and it’s crazy because AD and Bron have both played more than him the past 5 years.
Spurs - Vessell is hurt
Warriors - Green missed the preseason
Mavs - Kyrie has been hurt
Clippers - Plumlee hurt his knee
Nuggets - Murray had shin splints and then hurt his hamstring too
Heat - Love started out the year hurt
Magic - multiple players hurt
Nets - Cam hurt
Bucks - Middleton just ain’t right yet
I mean it’s almost like the players are more hurt since the league had the bright idea of shorten the preseason from 8 games, shorten training camp, and push them to play season.
Guys all around are dropping like flies, we just are taking the earliest hit. And honestly it may be better to take the hit early and play the law of averages of other place getting hit late |
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miggz23
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Every season it's the same (bleep). Sick and tired of underachieving and all I hear are excuses to justify not firing incompetence. I guess Ham fits in perfectly with our front office. Probably why they've kept him for so long. Vogel was too good and too successful for this dysfunctional franchise. |
What were your realistic expectations of the team to start the year? I was expecting 20 games in to be right around 500, Bron and AD to be getting in shape, and the league to be past the tournament where some team will try to win something for the first time. I also expected the Lakers to surgery the league and decide if a trade was viable and then be a playoff team. But I wasn’t expecting a 70% win pace to start |
Maybe a 95% healthy team. But no one expected this much injuries to start the season also. I mean it's a freaking joke at this point.
Ham need to shake up the line-up with a really depleted roster. If AD can come back next game. I would go with this line-up until everyone gets back.
Starters: DLO/Prince/Rui/Lebron/AD
Bench: Reaves/Christie/Cam/Woods/ One of AD or Lebron. Hayes if healthy.
Fully healthy you got back
Starters: DLO/Reaves/Vando/Lebron/AD
Bench: Gabe/Prince/Rui/Wood/Hayes |
We are at the point you may need a 10 day (know it ain’t possible) for a guy like Gabriel.
But that said it’s crazy and it isn’t.
Suns - Beal hasn’t played and Booker has missed most games. KD has been in over drive and it’s crazy because AD and Bron have both played more than him the past 5 years.
Spurs - Vessell is hurt
Warriors - Green missed the preseason
Mavs - Kyrie has been hurt
Clippers - Plumlee hurt his knee
Nuggets - Murray had shin splints and then hurt his hamstring too
Heat - Love started out the year hurt
Magic - multiple players hurt
Nets - Cam hurt
Bucks - Middleton just ain’t right yet
I mean it’s almost like the players are more hurt since the league had the bright idea of shorten the preseason from 8 games, shorten training camp, and push them to play season.
Guys all around are dropping like flies, we just are taking the earliest hit. And honestly it may be better to take the hit early and play the law of averages of other place getting hit late |
I think out of all those teams we are missing the most.
First Vando/Gabe/Rui/Prince... Prince and Rui finally back. But we lost AD/Hayes... So now we don't have AD/Vando/Gabe/Hayes. That's 3 level of our defense were losing right now.
Beal actually came back tonight.
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| The team looks terribly unorganized right now. That is 100% on the coach. |
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Denny_Russo
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Every season it's the same (bleep). Sick and tired of underachieving and all I hear are excuses to justify not firing incompetence. I guess Ham fits in perfectly with our front office. Probably why they've kept him for so long. Vogel was too good and too successful for this dysfunctional franchise. |
What were your realistic expectations of the team to start the year? I was expecting 20 games in to be right around 500, Bron and AD to be getting in shape, and the league to be past the tournament where some team will try to win something for the first time. I also expected the Lakers to surgery the league and decide if a trade was viable and then be a playoff team. But I wasn’t expecting a 70% win pace to start |
Maybe a 95% healthy team. But no one expected this much injuries to start the season also. I mean it's a freaking joke at this point.
Ham need to shake up the line-up with a really depleted roster. If AD can come back next game. I would go with this line-up until everyone gets back.
Starters: DLO/Prince/Rui/Lebron/AD
Bench: Reaves/Christie/Cam/Woods/ One of AD or Lebron. Hayes if healthy.
Fully healthy you got back
Starters: DLO/Reaves/Vando/Lebron/AD
Bench: Gabe/Prince/Rui/Wood/Hayes |
We are at the point you may need a 10 day (know it ain’t possible) for a guy like Gabriel.
But that said it’s crazy and it isn’t.
Suns - Beal hasn’t played and Booker has missed most games. KD has been in over drive and it’s crazy because AD and Bron have both played more than him the past 5 years.
Spurs - Vessell is hurt
Warriors - Green missed the preseason
Mavs - Kyrie has been hurt
Clippers - Plumlee hurt his knee
Nuggets - Murray had shin splints and then hurt his hamstring too
Heat - Love started out the year hurt
Magic - multiple players hurt
Nets - Cam hurt
Bucks - Middleton just ain’t right yet
I mean it’s almost like the players are more hurt since the league had the bright idea of shorten the preseason from 8 games, shorten training camp, and push them to play season.
Guys all around are dropping like flies, we just are taking the earliest hit. And honestly it may be better to take the hit early and play the law of averages of other place getting hit late |
The Pels are missing half of their roster and BI, as usual, is dealing with some lingering injury.
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Why defense not top-10 coach? We have wings
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| Quote: | It's crazy that 2 of our Best Playoff Lineups last year included Reaves, Rui, LeBron, & AD on the floor with either D'Lo or Schroder at the 1.
We've yet to see those 4 play together for 1 second & that alone is enough to convince me Ham needs to get fired. |
I don't know if firing Ham is an option this season, but this is crazy of this is true.
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| ThreePointBomber wrote: | | Quote: | It's crazy that 2 of our Best Playoff Lineups last year included Reaves, Rui, LeBron, & AD on the floor with either D'Lo or Schroder at the 1.
We've yet to see those 4 play together for 1 second & that alone is enough to convince me Ham needs to get fired. |
I don't know if firing Ham is an option this season, but this is crazy of this is true. |
that should be our starting lineup.
HAM gonna HAM lol, so many people upset at me last year for saying firing him.
now everyone singing the same tone
you people are slow |
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| Nonamehero wrote: | | ThreePointBomber wrote: | | Quote: | It's crazy that 2 of our Best Playoff Lineups last year included Reaves, Rui, LeBron, & AD on the floor with either D'Lo or Schroder at the 1.
We've yet to see those 4 play together for 1 second & that alone is enough to convince me Ham needs to get fired. |
I don't know if firing Ham is an option this season, but this is crazy of this is true. |
that should be our starting lineup.
HAM gonna HAM lol, so many people upset at me last year for saying firing him.
now everyone singing the same tone
you people are slow |
You act as if you were the only poster that wanted Ham fired. lol. Go back to page 174 and earlier. A lot of posters here were calling for his firing. |
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It’s hard to evaluate the team with so many rotational players injured
I got to say, though, I’m still stuck on the decision to put the ball in the hands of a non-shooting player at the end of the game before last
Cam reddish is not a money player
They drew that up out of a time out, so that had to be ham |
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| ThreePointBomber wrote: | | Quote: | It's crazy that 2 of our Best Playoff Lineups last year included Reaves, Rui, LeBron, & AD on the floor with either D'Lo or Schroder at the 1.
We've yet to see those 4 play together for 1 second & that alone is enough to convince me Ham needs to get fired. |
I don't know if firing Ham is an option this season, but this is crazy of this is true. |
Yeah just for the record....do you want to take a guess why we haven't seen that rotation... or that it may have to do with Rui being injured and AD being out when Rui came back... perhaps....
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| MJST wrote: | | ThreePointBomber wrote: | | Quote: | It's crazy that 2 of our Best Playoff Lineups last year included Reaves, Rui, LeBron, & AD on the floor with either D'Lo or Schroder at the 1.
We've yet to see those 4 play together for 1 second & that alone is enough to convince me Ham needs to get fired. |
I don't know if firing Ham is an option this season, but this is crazy of this is true. |
Yeah just for the record....do you want to take a guess why we haven't seen that rotation... or that it may have to do with Rui being injured and AD being out when Rui came back... perhaps.... |
Exactly! It wasn't possible |
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Ham need to shake up that starting unit after seeing this. All 4 starters are on the bottom of that list.
Reaves -76
Prince -47
AD -44
DLO- 27
Lebron +29 |
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Every season it's the same (bleep). Sick and tired of underachieving and all I hear are excuses to justify not firing incompetence. I guess Ham fits in perfectly with our front office. Probably why they've kept him for so long. Vogel was too good and too successful for this dysfunctional franchise. |
What were your realistic expectations of the team to start the year? I was expecting 20 games in to be right around 500, Bron and AD to be getting in shape, and the league to be past the tournament where some team will try to win something for the first time. I also expected the Lakers to surgery the league and decide if a trade was viable and then be a playoff team. But I wasn’t expecting a 70% win pace to start |
Prior to start of season, I expected us to be top 4 in the West along with Denver, Clippers and Phoenix. So as a supposed championship contender, I would expect better than 3-5 record. At least 5-3.
| Denny_Russo wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Every season it's the same (bleep). Sick and tired of underachieving and all I hear are excuses to justify not firing incompetence. I guess Ham fits in perfectly with our front office. Probably why they've kept him for so long. Vogel was too good and too successful for this dysfunctional franchise. |
Vogel was the fall man for Rob's incompetence. They did him dirty. |
Yea, Rob is Jeanie's best friend. She wasn't going to fire him just like she would remain loyal to the Rambis. That's why the franchise has been heading where it's heading.
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Every season it's the same (bleep). Sick and tired of underachieving and all I hear are excuses to justify not firing incompetence. I guess Ham fits in perfectly with our front office. Probably why they've kept him for so long. Vogel was too good and too successful for this dysfunctional franchise. |
What were your realistic expectations of the team to start the year? I was expecting 20 games in to be right around 500, Bron and AD to be getting in shape, and the league to be past the tournament where some team will try to win something for the first time. I also expected the Lakers to surgery the league and decide if a trade was viable and then be a playoff team. But I wasn’t expecting a 70% win pace to start |
Were you expecting wire to wire (essentially) blowouts from Orlando and Houston with apparent lack of effort? Pretty sure that’s what most are concerned with, not necessarily the record.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2023 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Every season it's the same (bleep). Sick and tired of underachieving and all I hear are excuses to justify not firing incompetence. I guess Ham fits in perfectly with our front office. Probably why they've kept him for so long. Vogel was too good and too successful for this dysfunctional franchise. |
What were your realistic expectations of the team to start the year? I was expecting 20 games in to be right around 500, Bron and AD to be getting in shape, and the league to be past the tournament where some team will try to win something for the first time. I also expected the Lakers to surgery the league and decide if a trade was viable and then be a playoff team. But I wasn’t expecting a 70% win pace to start |
Prior to start of season, I expected us to be top 4 in the West along with Denver, Clippers and Phoenix. So as a supposed championship contender, I would expect better than 3-5 record. At least 5-3.
| Denny_Russo wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Every season it's the same (bleep). Sick and tired of underachieving and all I hear are excuses to justify not firing incompetence. I guess Ham fits in perfectly with our front office. Probably why they've kept him for so long. Vogel was too good and too successful for this dysfunctional franchise. |
Vogel was the fall man for Rob's incompetence. They did him dirty. |
Yea, Rob is Jeanie's best friend. She wasn't going to fire him just like she would remain loyal to the Rambis. That's why the franchise has been heading where it's heading. |
Rob is Jeanie's best friend? What?
Anyways, it wasn't even Rob's incompetence. I think you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who, in that situation, with LBJ and AD - your two franchise players - hard pushing to get Russel Westbrook, telling Rob that they know they will be able to make it work and it will be good, to say no. If his incompetence is listening to one of the best basketball minds in history telling him to get a former MVP then I'm okay with that being his big mistake because everything he's done since then has been great. |
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| With a mostly healthy roster at Scam's disposal tonight against a Book-less Suns no more excuses! If the team's still flat then give him the early axing Mike Brown treatment if necessary so this coaching ineptness doesn't linger all season. |
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| ThreePointBomber wrote: | | Quote: | It's crazy that 2 of our Best Playoff Lineups last year included Reaves, Rui, LeBron, & AD on the floor with D'Lo or Schroder at the 1.
We've yet to see those 4 play together for 1 second & that alone is enough to convince me Ham needs to get fired. |
I don't know if firing Ham is an option this season, but this is crazy of this is true. |
An as Darvin continues looking like a rookie head coach while in year 2,
I don’t know what other options we have atm  |
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KingKobe20
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| MookieBetts50 wrote: | | With a mostly healthy roster at Scam's disposal tonight against a Book-less Suns no more excuses! If the team's still flat then give him the early axing Mike Brown treatment if necessary so this coaching ineptness doesn't linger all season. |
Crazy times when Mike Brown got axed a few games in his second season.
Followed up by Mike D’antoni 🙃🙃🙃 playing Kobe at power forward in a few stints 😂🤣😂
I remember in a few backstage Lakers episodes MDA had the team run some sets in hotel ballrooms and Kobe was roasting it LOL
I’m also getting more fed up with Darvin as well. It’s clear as day Ad with CWood is a great pairing but yet he refuses to start the game with this….. |
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| Starting Reddish or playing him any minutes at all is just stupid. There's no justification. Reddish isn't a rotation player on a contender, let alone a starter. He's just not. |
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Will Rambis have to start joining Ham’s coaching sessions like he did with Vogel?
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| Let Rambis coach this team! |
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | Let Rambis coach this team! |
Wouldn’t hurt at this point.
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