2022 Lakers Draft News (Lakers pick #35 Max Christie; Undrafted Signings: Shareef O'Neal, Pippen Jr.-2-way, Swider-2-way)
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 3:59 am    Post subject:

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Philippines big man Kai Sotto has agreed to a two-way contract with the Golden State Warriors, source tells
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Warriors get Kai Sotto


Happy for Kai!!! Hoped it had been the Lakers who gave him a chance though...🙂

His style of play could be a perfect with the Warriors.


that twitter account is fake if i am not mistaken
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Philippines big man Kai Sotto has agreed to a two-way contract with the Golden State Warriors, source tells
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Warriors get Kai Sotto


Happy for Kai!!! Hoped it had been the Lakers who gave him a chance though...🙂

His style of play could be a perfect with the Warriors.


that twitter account is fake if i am not mistaken


Yes. They also posted this

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The Nets offered Kyrie Irving and Cam Thomas for Russell Westbrook, Kendrick Nunn, Austin Reaves and multiple first round picks but the Lakers rejected, sources tell @TheAthletic
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:47 am    Post subject:

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f they lost their mind because we picked up an arguably lottery level pg with the 35th pick, I suppose I could live with that.

Is the Memphis board losing their mind over picking him 38th?


Arguably lottery level? Naw. To paraphrase Bill Parcells, you are what your draft position says you are. That doesn't mean that he can't outperform his draft position. This happens every draft. But if you're really a lottery level player at the time of the draft, you don't get passed over by the next 23 teams after the lottery slots. That's the assessment by the people who matter.

It's common for people to fall in love with a player during draft season. It's okay. We see it every year. In fact, you could be right. This kid might turn out to be a star in the NBA. You never know. But most undersized guards just can't cut it. I guess we got Scottie Pippen, Jr. to fill the undersized project guard slot.


This is a slightly simplistic way of looking at the draft, imo.

Not every team is picking for BPA, especially the deeper you go into the draft. So it’s easy to be better than your draft position (or worse). Also, teams make mistakes all the time. Groupthink kicks in, etc.

I’m saying that if Darius Garland/Collin Sexton are firmly lottery picks, then Kennedy Chandler is borderline late lottery with the right team having the right needs. He is easily a 20s caliber pick, and is a steal in the 30s.

Could Christie be a better pick? Absolutely. And I hope he is. Nice discussion, but might revisit in 3-4 years. As of now we’re just guessing.
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Philippines big man Kai Sotto has agreed to a two-way contract with the Golden State Warriors, source tells
@TheAthletic


Warriors get Kai Sotto


Happy for Kai!!! Hoped it had been the Lakers who gave him a chance though...🙂

His style of play could be a perfect with the Warriors.


that twitter account is fake if i am not mistaken


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https://youtu.be/HK8jqkJsAOc

Don’t sleep on this kid
First 2 highlights make you want to watch the rest
He’s got a little Klay Thompson moxie to him


He's a 6'5 guard averaged 17/3/3 in his Final Year of college, shot 49.5% from the field and 42.5% from three on 4 attempts a game and shot 70% from the free throw line which was down from his 78% the previous season.

If people are wondering why he fell in the draft or was undrafted, it's because he's already 24 because he went to college for 5 years.

So the idea is that it limits his upside or that he's at his apex currently as a player. Fair or unfair that's probably the thought and why he slipped in the draft.

But he would be a solid addition to the team if he shows out in Summer League.
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Lakers are signing Defensive specialist Nate Pierre Louis to their summer league team. h/t @Nate_PL and his agency.


Some Defensive Highlights


https://twitter.com/notlakersgm/status/1541108803097067523

6'4 Defensive Athletic Guard.

Lakers seem to be prioritizing wing defense. Only downside is, he can finish, but can't shoot. So their hope is he's a 6'4 Gary Payton II.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:25 am    Post subject:

Pierre-Louis got bounce

This summer league team will be fun to watch!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:00 pm    Post subject:

I would definitely give Kai Soto a try here in this summer league. Gimmie a (bleep) center already, Jesus Christ!
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Cedceb wrote:
https://youtu.be/HK8jqkJsAOc

Don’t sleep on this kid
First 2 highlights make you want to watch the rest
He’s got a little Klay Thompson moxie to him


Another guard? (bleep) ew.

Sorry but I’m sleeping until I hear an actual wing or center here.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:13 pm    Post subject:

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I would definitely give Kai Soto a try here in this summer league. Gimmie a (bleep) center already, Jesus Christ!



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:22 pm    Post subject:

Cedceb wrote:
https://youtu.be/HK8jqkJsAOc

Don’t sleep on this kid
First 2 highlights make you want to watch the rest
He’s got a little Klay Thompson moxie to him



Kid can hit the jumper…
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Lakers are signing Defensive specialist Nate Pierre Louis to their summer league team. h/t @Nate_PL and his agency.


Some Defensive Highlights


https://twitter.com/notlakersgm/status/1541108803097067523

6'4 Defensive Athletic Guard.

Lakers seem to be prioritizing wing defense. Only downside is, he can finish, but can't shoot. So their hope is he's a 6'4 Gary Payton II.


A steal or two a game …
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:11 pm    Post subject:

Any other undrafted prospects out there worth taking a look at.
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In a time where teams are being smart about carving out $$ from MLEs to sign draft picks & UDFAs to extra years and others are keeping movable deals on the books to make trades easier, LA hasn’t done either and we’re feeling the results w/Reaves’ FA timeline & maybe Nunn traded.

https://twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1545017442061062144
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In a time where teams are being smart about carving out $$ from MLEs to sign draft picks & UDFAs to extra years and others are keeping movable deals on the books to make trades easier, LA hasn’t done either and we’re feeling the results w/Reaves’ FA timeline & maybe Nunn traded.

https://twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1545017442061062144


It's pretty unconscionable GM malpractice that for guys like Reaves and now Christie, Rob couldn't carve out the necessary cap space via the MMLE to tack on at least one more minimum year onto the salaries. So they become RFAs after 2 seasons and Reaves is going to get more expensive, and Christie in just 2 seasons when he will start getting into form IMO.

But hey, Rob was Kobe's agent to he's beyond criticism.
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In a time where teams are being smart about carving out $$ from MLEs to sign draft picks & UDFAs to extra years and others are keeping movable deals on the books to make trades easier, LA hasn’t done either and we’re feeling the results w/Reaves’ FA timeline & maybe Nunn traded.

https://twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1545017442061062144


It's pretty unconscionable GM malpractice that for guys like Reaves and now Christie, Rob couldn't carve out the necessary cap space via the MMLE to tack on at least one more minimum year onto the salaries. So they become RFAs after 2 seasons and Reaves is going to get more expensive, and Christie in just 2 seasons when he will start getting into form IMO.

But hey, Rob was Kobe's agent to he's beyond criticism.


Yawn.
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In a time where teams are being smart about carving out $$ from MLEs to sign draft picks & UDFAs to extra years and others are keeping movable deals on the books to make trades easier, LA hasn’t done either and we’re feeling the results w/Reaves’ FA timeline & maybe Nunn traded.

https://twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1545017442061062144


It's pretty unconscionable GM malpractice that for guys like Reaves and now Christie, Rob couldn't carve out the necessary cap space via the MMLE to tack on at least one more minimum year onto the salaries. So they become RFAs after 2 seasons and Reaves is going to get more expensive, and Christie in just 2 seasons when he will start getting into form IMO.

But hey, Rob was Kobe's agent to he's beyond criticism.


Yawn.


It's a yawn until 2023 FA and all of a sudden we can't "afford" Reaves. Where have we heard this before (Caruso)?
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yinoma2001 wrote:
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In a time where teams are being smart about carving out $$ from MLEs to sign draft picks & UDFAs to extra years and others are keeping movable deals on the books to make trades easier, LA hasn’t done either and we’re feeling the results w/Reaves’ FA timeline & maybe Nunn traded.

https://twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1545017442061062144


It's pretty unconscionable GM malpractice that for guys like Reaves and now Christie, Rob couldn't carve out the necessary cap space via the MMLE to tack on at least one more minimum year onto the salaries. So they become RFAs after 2 seasons and Reaves is going to get more expensive, and Christie in just 2 seasons when he will start getting into form IMO.

But hey, Rob was Kobe's agent to he's beyond criticism.


Yawn.


It's a yawn until 2023 FA and all of a sudden we can't "afford" Reaves. Where have we heard this before (Caruso)?


It's a yawn because:

1 - Reaves was on a Two-Way and was converted. By rule, a converted Two-Way contract CANNOT exceed 2 years in length.

Rob knows the rules.

WRT Christie (and others), the Lakers have been doing the short contract option purposefully. If the guys play well or show promise, then they get real money after 2 years instead of 3 - that's what happened with THT and is what THT asked for in negotiations. That's how organizations get labeled as "player friendly."

2 - Caruso is on his 3rd contract and, of course, was not affected by either situation. The Lakers made a decision between THT & Caruso. Maybe they chose wrong, but it wasn't because they mishandled the MMLE.
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Cranjis McBasketball
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In a time where teams are being smart about carving out $$ from MLEs to sign draft picks & UDFAs to extra years and others are keeping movable deals on the books to make trades easier, LA hasn’t done either and we’re feeling the results w/Reaves’ FA timeline & maybe Nunn traded.

https://twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1545017442061062144


It's pretty unconscionable GM malpractice that for guys like Reaves and now Christie, Rob couldn't carve out the necessary cap space via the MMLE to tack on at least one more minimum year onto the salaries. So they become RFAs after 2 seasons and Reaves is going to get more expensive, and Christie in just 2 seasons when he will start getting into form IMO.

But hey, Rob was Kobe's agent to he's beyond criticism.


Yawn.


It's a yawn until 2023 FA and all of a sudden we can't "afford" Reaves. Where have we heard this before (Caruso)?


It's a yawn because:

1 - Reaves was on a Two-Way and was converted. By rule, a converted Two-Way contract CANNOT exceed 2 years in length.

Rob knows the rules.

WRT Christie (and others), the Lakers have been doing the short contract option purposefully. If the guys play well or show promise, then they get real money after 2 years instead of 3 - that's what happened with THT and is what THT asked for in negotiations. That's how organizations get labeled as "player friendly."

2 - Caruso is on his 3rd contract and, of course, was not affected by either situation. The Lakers made a decision between THT & Caruso. Maybe they chose wrong, but it wasn't because they mishandled the MMLE.


Reaves was a UDFA, so we could have absolutely done a 3 year deal. We chose to make him a 2 way.

Whether it's being player friendly or not, the question is are we going to pay Reaves his FMV in year 3 or say that he costs too much ala Caruso again?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 7:32 am    Post subject:

Are we literally not doing this deal because of a 1st? or because we don't want harris contract??

Who caressss????


at least we could win the chip the next few years with bron davis kyrie and harris shooting
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But hey, Rob was Kobe's agent to he's beyond criticism.


Yawn.


It's a yawn until 2023 FA and all of a sudden we can't "afford" Reaves. Where have we heard this before (Caruso)?


It's a yawn because:

1 - Reaves was on a Two-Way and was converted. By rule, a converted Two-Way contract CANNOT exceed 2 years in length.

Rob knows the rules.

WRT Christie (and others), the Lakers have been doing the short contract option purposefully. If the guys play well or show promise, then they get real money after 2 years instead of 3 - that's what happened with THT and is what THT asked for in negotiations. That's how organizations get labeled as "player friendly."

2 - Caruso is on his 3rd contract and, of course, was not affected by either situation. The Lakers made a decision between THT & Caruso. Maybe they chose wrong, but it wasn't because they mishandled the MMLE.


Reaves was a UDFA, so we could have absolutely done a 3 year deal. We chose to make him a 2 way.

Whether it's being player friendly or not, the question is are we going to pay Reaves his FMV in year 3 or say that he costs too much ala Caruso again?


On August 3, 2021, the Lakers didn't have a regular roster spot in which to sign Reaves. It wasn't until they traded Marc Gasol that they converted him. It's also not like there are a ton of UDFA getting 3 year deals - or even standard contract offers.

If you're banging on Rob for not offering an UDFA 3 years before the guy played an NBA minute, well, I think you're just being obstinate because you hate Rob.
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My obstinacy re: Rob emanates from the series of margin moves that he is just missing on. You cannot be happy with how he's systematically torn down a 2020 championship team, are you?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 8:39 am    Post subject:

Yinoma is absolutely correct in this particular discussion.

Rob has notoriously marginalized the margins and if the intent was to have a top heavy team with 3 max players, you simply can’t do continuous 1yr vet min deals from season to season. There’s no continuity & no development. It’s a terrible strategy that has proven to be a bust after the bubble title.

Even the lowly Sac FO understands this simple concept.

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Malik Monk signed for most of the Non-Taxpayer MLE from the Sacramento Kings. He got $9,472,219 in Year 1 of his two-year deal. That left exactly $1,017,781 of the MLE to sign a player to a deal longer than the two years allowed by the Minimum Exception. Sasha Vezenkov perhaps?


As for if this is Rich just holding Rob hostage in giving 19y/is all the leverage to get shorter deals so that they can get the bag sooner…

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The Mavericks will sign Jaden Hardy, their No. 37 draft pick, to a multi-year deal this week, league sources say.

Sources say Dallas withheld a portion of its taxpayer mid-level exception in coming to terms with JaVale McGee to ensure it could sign Hardy to a long-term deal.

As a tax team next season, Dallas is limited to offering Jaden Hardy a three-year deal rather than the four-year deal it hoped to extend.

The Mavs had to withhold slightly more than $1 million from the taxpayer MLE to ensure they had the flexibility to offer a three-year deal.


Good time to note that Hardy is a Klutch klient and that Nico is a noob exec. They somehow collaborated to get the kid on a lengthy team friendly deal. Why can’t Rob & Rich do the same.

Also a good time to note that in 2019 we had cap space to get THT and AC on up to a 4yr deal. If we do that, there is no decision to be made between THT and AC last offseason. There is no tax to worry about when addressing players that are not our max players and address the margins.

Lastly, @Dr. Laker, trams can roster up to 20 players in the offseason before cutting it down to 15 by opening night. It did not matter that we had to address Marc Gasol in August. We had till October in rostering both Marc & Austin. We did not have to make space by dumping him first.
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