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Inverse Star Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 12:52 am Post subject: |
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We need to start calling Max his god given name of Cormac until he officially introduces himself to the NBA. Only then shall we call him Max again _________________ He's my GOAT |
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fansincemagic Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 7:25 am Post subject: |
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tox wrote: | gng930 wrote: | Might be better as a POA defender than a wing defender. Seems to struggle defending bigger players. At the same time, it's easy to look bad when KD is your assignment. It was mentioned elsewhere that his minutes are in danger once Vando is healthy. |
He definitely is, but I also feel like he's playing Vando's minutes as a placeholder. He comes in for LeBron and it makes the team weirdly small. With Vando the sub makes a lot more sense.
I still like Max as a prospect but with a healthy lineup he might be the odd man out. |
Yeah, Vando with Dlo and Knect while Vincent closes and plays more with the starters through the game is the better fit.
I'm perplexed that the FO let the Austin Reeves RFA situation play out and yet proactively saw Christie as a need position vs him actually showing he is that player. He has shown flashes and its a gamble but I bet they don't overpay early if the draft (Knect) happens before FA. They also didn't want to lose an asset for nothing since thet were so handcuffed in koves they could make. It will be crappy if he doesn't even reach positive trade value as a throw in to match contracts.
I agree with the POA defender comment. One of his best attributes is being able to get his hand in the face of a 3 ball shooter. |
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LakerDYnasty72 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 8:17 am Post subject: |
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tox wrote: | mhan00 wrote: | I always get excited to see Max play, and he almost always disappoints. Theoretically he should be a great role player. He’s athletic and long and he gives great effort. But his decision making is trash and even though his contests look good, players still score on him seemingly easily. I really hope he comes on soon. He’d be great if he did. |
Yea his decision making is so bad, not sure how he has so little feel in his third year. I am sure by Age 25 he'll be fine though. |
A feel for the game is such a special trait. It's inherent, and it shows itself in flashes almost right from the start. One of my standards to determine if a player has it is if they either fairly regularly, or periodically make a good to great pass.
Austin does it. DLO does it. LeBron does it. AD does it. Knecht has done a couple. We don't see that with Max, Jaxson Hayes, Cam or Rui. They are not very creative (a feel for the game manifests that) with their games.
They're more mechanical in their mental approach to the game. They'll starve for guidance without Dlo, LeBron or Austin on the floor. |
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tox Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 8:23 am Post subject: |
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LakerDYnasty72 wrote: | tox wrote: | mhan00 wrote: | I always get excited to see Max play, and he almost always disappoints. Theoretically he should be a great role player. He’s athletic and long and he gives great effort. But his decision making is trash and even though his contests look good, players still score on him seemingly easily. I really hope he comes on soon. He’d be great if he did. |
Yea his decision making is so bad, not sure how he has so little feel in his third year. I am sure by Age 25 he'll be fine though. |
A feel for the game is such a special trait. It's inherent, and it shows itself in flashes almost right from the start. One of my standards to determine if a player has it is if they either fairly regularly, or periodically make a good to great pass.
Austin does it. DLO does it. LeBron does it. AD does it. Knecht has done a couple. We don't see that with Max, Jaxson Hayes, Cam or Rui. They are not very creative (a feel for the game manifests that) with their games.
They're more mechanical in their mental approach to the game. They'll starve for guidance without Dlo, LeBron or Austin on the floor. |
Yeah but Rui is exactly the perfect comparison. Rui doesn't have a natural feel but the way he plays now even compared to early last season (when he was still figuring out Ham's version of a 5 out offense) is different. Rui's still a pretty clunky player -- Stu being absolutely shocked he found Hayes on that pass says it all -- but as a play "finisher" he's good enough.
Rui is 26. I know Max's feel is really bad but Max is literally 21. How's he gonna look when he's 24-25? People are bad with patience but we've seen so many guys go through the Lakers' developmental process where it took them time to adjust to the NBA game. Scottie Pippen Jr and GP2 are two such examples. I am confident Max at age 24 will be a good player, even if that's as a still limited 3&D guy.
To be clear I'm a little disappointed because after summer league last year I had optimism about some on ball juice as he develops (maybe to rookie Reaves level) but now I'm skeptical he ever gets even there. |
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Ksig Star Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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He looks like another THT
We keep waiting for something, but get nothing. |
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mhan00 Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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Max is going to end up out of the lineup sooner rather than later if he keeps playing like this. |
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mhan00 Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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JJ played Knecht in the 4th in crunch time minutes while Max sat, so Knecht might have already overtaken him. Might just be that Knecht is a bigger guy, though |
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mhan00 Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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review that! |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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you don’t overpay for potential. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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mhan00 Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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Credit to Max, he did do a better job in the 2nd half. But Knecht has looked better thus far. Here's hoping Max can build on a second half where he did some positive things and didn't actively hurt the team like he did in the first two and a half games. |
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Dr. Laker Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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Max better step it up or he'll be a valuable throw in at the deadline. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns". |
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gng930 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 7:22 am Post subject: |
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Agree...just not sure about the "valuable" part. _________________ Luxury Tax/FA Spreadsheet (Save to your Google Drive to edit) |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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If Max was putting up the numbers Knecht currently is his role would be secured. Max only has two jobs, play defense, hit threes. That is it. He is struggling at both right now. Not as much the defensive end, but rushing things, unnecessarily fouling on things like screens, and trying to do too much on the offensive end when his handle isn't there yet nor is his passing IQ. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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sonic the laker Star Player
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Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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My personal evaluation of Max, in these first three games, is that he's been solid on defense/rebounding. Where's he's struggling is on the offensive end.
There aren't going to be any plays run for Max, like there is for Knecht. So, naturally, he's going to have a tougher time finding where he fits in. That's going to take time...which is a foreign concept to a lot of Laker fans.
To keep things in perspective, Knecht is a 23 year old, who's had 4 years of college to mature his game. He knows what he is, and just needs to adjust it to the NBA game. Max is a 21 year old, who has the potential to be a 3&D player, but needs the court time to work on his game.
As the season progresses, I'll be looking for him to work on smoothing out the roughness in his game, with the help of the coaching staff. The Lakers getting off to a good start helps. _________________ ZOOM!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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LakersMD Star Player
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Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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sonic the laker wrote: | My personal evaluation of Max, in these first three games, is that he's been solid on defense/rebounding. Where's he's struggling is on the offensive end.
There aren't going to be any plays run for Max, like there is for Knecht. So, naturally, he's going to have a tougher time finding where he fits in. That's going to take time...which is a foreign concept to a lot of Laker fans.
To keep things in perspective, Knecht is a 23 year old, who's had 4 years of college to mature his game. He knows what he is, and just needs to adjust it to the NBA game. Max is a 21 year old, who has the potential to be a 3&D player, but needs the court time to work on his game.
As the season progresses, I'll be looking for him to work on smoothing out the roughness in his game, with the help of the coaching staff. The Lakers getting off to a good start helps. |
Good post. It’s been three games. |
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zambia Star Player
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Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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Inverse wrote: | We need to start calling Max his god given name of Cormac until he officially introduces himself to the NBA. Only then shall we call him Max again |
Do you remember Cormac Carney UCLA wide receiver. |
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TooMuchMajicBuss Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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It's only 3 games so nothing's decided yet IMO. Still, Knecht is clearly playing his way into the roster, and Max is starting to get squeezed out of quality minutes. When Vando returns it's going to be even worse for Max. If he doesn't surprise us soon, the G league, heavy minutes, closing games and some focused coaching might be a lot more valuable than watching from the sidelines. |
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JJin77 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Dr. Laker wrote: | Max better step it up or he'll be a valuable throw in at the deadline. |
4 yr / 32m with PO contract that can't crack 9 man rotation is not a valuable throw in on any kind of trade scenario my friend. At this point, we desperately need Max to play better just to remove him, but he does improve it makes more sense to keep him. So basically we are going to see this guy for at least couple more yrs. Pelinka really screwed with contract. |
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JamaalWilkes Star Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:05 am Post subject: |
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Inverse wrote: | We need to start calling Max his god given name of Cormac until he officially introduces himself to the NBA. Only then shall we call him Max again |
Cormac Karl "Max" Christie Jr. |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 5:28 am Post subject: |
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JJin77 wrote: | Dr. Laker wrote: | Max better step it up or he'll be a valuable throw in at the deadline. |
4 yr / 32m with PO contract that can't crack 9 man rotation is not a valuable throw in on any kind of trade scenario my friend. At this point, we desperately need Max to play better just to remove him, but he does improve it makes more sense to keep him. So basically we are going to see this guy for at least couple more yrs. Pelinka really screwed with contract. |
This one. He can still eventually earn the contract but don't fool yourself into thinking he has trade value with that contract. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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RI Laker Star Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 5:40 am Post subject: |
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I am not giving up on Max. Here is hoping he can work on getting a quicker release. Many players have improved in this area. Knecht gets his shot off so much quicker (and he is obviously more confidant). |
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danzag Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 5:54 am Post subject: |
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RI Laker wrote: | I am not giving up on Max. Here is hoping he can work on getting a quicker release. Many players have improved in this area. Knecht gets his shot off so much quicker (and he is obviously more confidant). |
Yeah, it's way too early to be negative about Max.
He's still 21 and those last 2 years he barely had any playing time with decent lineups |
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manlisten Star Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 9:03 am Post subject: |
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People are overreacting as usual. Max wasn't even that bad against the Kings. He had two very noticeable mistakes that led to turnovers. Other than that he managed to get 4 assists, 2 steals and contested a number of shots that led to misses. I think there were only 2 legit times he got scored on, once on a 3 where he was completely out of position and left Lyles and another where Fox buried one in his face on a good contest. For some reason people are expecting him to be a finished product and aren't recognizing what player development looks like. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points." |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 9:35 am Post subject: |
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I'm not overreacting. I'm saying what I said all summer. Giving Max a 4y32mill deal was an overpay on the market. Add it to the list of blunders for Pelinka
I will still be saying the same if/when Max starts playing better. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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tox Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 9:55 am Post subject: |
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manlisten wrote: | People are overreacting as usual. Max wasn't even that bad against the Kings. He had two very noticeable mistakes that led to turnovers. Other than that he managed to get 4 assists, 2 steals and contested a number of shots that led to misses. I think there were only 2 legit times he got scored on, once on a 3 where he was completely out of position and left Lyles and another where Fox buried one in his face on a good contest. For some reason people are expecting him to be a finished product and aren't recognizing what player development looks like. |
I don't think his assists were impressive assists. But I do think he looks pretty fine on defense. Offense he has a ways to go but I really do think people are underestimating how much familiarity with offense can streamline reads and make players who look like they don't have feel look better.
Rui is the best example of a player who also lacks feel and I think he's also mostly a play finisher as Christie should be. Rui was an utter disaster to start last season in Ham's 5 out and by the end of the season he was the Rui we all know and love. So yea I think people are being a little hasty. (I'm not entertaining the "he was overpaid over summer!!!" conversation as it is what it is.) |
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