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manlisten Star Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 10:53 am Post subject: |
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tox wrote: | manlisten wrote: | People are overreacting as usual. Max wasn't even that bad against the Kings. He had two very noticeable mistakes that led to turnovers. Other than that he managed to get 4 assists, 2 steals and contested a number of shots that led to misses. I think there were only 2 legit times he got scored on, once on a 3 where he was completely out of position and left Lyles and another where Fox buried one in his face on a good contest. For some reason people are expecting him to be a finished product and aren't recognizing what player development looks like. |
I don't think his assists were impressive assists. But I do think he looks pretty fine on defense. Offense he has a ways to go but I really do think people are underestimating how much familiarity with offense can streamline reads and make players who look like they don't have feel look better.
Rui is the best example of a player who also lacks feel and I think he's also mostly a play finisher as Christie should be. Rui was an utter disaster to start last season in Ham's 5 out and by the end of the season he was the Rui we all know and love. So yea I think people are being a little hasty. (I'm not entertaining the "he was overpaid over summer!!!" conversation as it is what it is.) |
Yea I'm not confusing him with a playmaker but he stayed within himself and found the open man. The turnovers came when he tried to do too much. His contract was a calculated gamble that he'll outproduce his salary over the next 4 years which is the exact kind of player you need in this CBA. Just silly to act like it was a bad decision even if he becomes a solid player as it was a very minor overpay regardless. If he doesn’t develop into a good player then it's fair to say it was a bad move but as of right now it's too early to say either way. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points." |
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gng930 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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dcarter4kobe wrote: | I'm not overreacting. I'm saying what I said all summer. Giving Max a 4y32mill deal was an overpay on the market. Add it to the list of blunders for Pelinka
I will still be saying the same if/when Max starts playing better. |
Interesting...bit of a fixed mindset here. _________________ Luxury Tax/FA Spreadsheet (Save to your Google Drive to edit) |
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manlisten Star Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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gng930 wrote: | dcarter4kobe wrote: | I'm not overreacting. I'm saying what I said all summer. Giving Max a 4y32mill deal was an overpay on the market. Add it to the list of blunders for Pelinka
I will still be saying the same if/when Max starts playing better. |
Interesting...bit of a fixed mindset here. |
The LG standard. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points." |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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manlisten wrote: | gng930 wrote: | dcarter4kobe wrote: | I'm not overreacting. I'm saying what I said all summer. Giving Max a 4y32mill deal was an overpay on the market. Add it to the list of blunders for Pelinka
I will still be saying the same if/when Max starts playing better. |
Interesting...bit of a fixed mindset here. |
The LG standard. |
"Even if he plays well I'll keep acting like he's not"
yep...least they're honest about it. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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tox Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | manlisten wrote: | gng930 wrote: | dcarter4kobe wrote: | I'm not overreacting. I'm saying what I said all summer. Giving Max a 4y32mill deal was an overpay on the market. Add it to the list of blunders for Pelinka
I will still be saying the same if/when Max starts playing better. |
Interesting...bit of a fixed mindset here. |
The LG standard. |
"Even if he plays well I'll keep acting like he's not"
yep...least they're honest about it. |
No he's saying that the contract was an overpay given what Christie had shown, because an overpay is a function of the market at that moment. Even if Christie has a strong development curve it doesn't change the fact that (in dc's head) they could've had him for cheaper.
I don't really agree with dc on this but don't misrepresent him. |
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gng930 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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tox wrote: | MJST wrote: | manlisten wrote: | gng930 wrote: | dcarter4kobe wrote: | I'm not overreacting. I'm saying what I said all summer. Giving Max a 4y32mill deal was an overpay on the market. Add it to the list of blunders for Pelinka
I will still be saying the same if/when Max starts playing better. |
Interesting...bit of a fixed mindset here. |
The LG standard. |
"Even if he plays well I'll keep acting like he's not"
yep...least they're honest about it. |
No he's saying that the contract was an overpay given what Christie had shown, because an overpay is a function of the market at that moment. Even if Christie has a strong development curve it doesn't change the fact that (in dc's head) they could've had him for cheaper.
I don't really agree with dc on this but don't misrepresent him. |
I see where you're getting at, it just doesn't reflect reality from someone I consider a veteran poster who crunches numbers as much as he does. FOs hand out contracts based on potential all the time. To me, if a guy outperforms his contract in the first year and you have him locked up for another two years, that's a no-brainer. The player option in the 4th year is not ideal but it might account for less than 5% of the salary cap by then. _________________ Luxury Tax/FA Spreadsheet (Save to your Google Drive to edit) |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Hasn't played well a single minute of the season so far. He and Gabe are in the same boat currently. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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LakersARETheGOAT Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 5:09 am Post subject: |
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I think he would benefit more with a floor general pg but ours is a cone
If only 6’4+ dlo wasn’t dslow then our backup is a midget that builds bricks and can’t pass a plate even if a person was standing right next to him. |
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defense Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 5:21 am Post subject: |
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He's been poopoo, but it's only been 5 games
cautiously optimistic |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 5:48 am Post subject: |
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tox wrote: | MJST wrote: | manlisten wrote: | gng930 wrote: | dcarter4kobe wrote: | I'm not overreacting. I'm saying what I said all summer. Giving Max a 4y32mill deal was an overpay on the market. Add it to the list of blunders for Pelinka
I will still be saying the same if/when Max starts playing better. |
Interesting...bit of a fixed mindset here. |
The LG standard. |
"Even if he plays well I'll keep acting like he's not"
yep...least they're honest about it. |
No he's saying that the contract was an overpay given what Christie had shown, because an overpay is a function of the market at that moment. Even if Christie has a strong development curve it doesn't change the fact that (in dc's head) they could've had him for cheaper.
I don't really agree with dc on this but don't misrepresent him. |
Thanks for the obvious breakdown/understanding. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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PICKnPOP Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 5:53 am Post subject: |
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Still not gonna judge this team until at full strength but a few things are evident imo. Dalton deserves all of max’s minutes and the team is getting away from the things that got them off to a great start.
Defensive
Active/energetic
Running the offense
Vando/Wood should help with the drop off when we go to the bench.
Rebounds, energy, defense, scoring. _________________ “like I never left”
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 5:53 am Post subject: |
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gng930 wrote: | tox wrote: | MJST wrote: | manlisten wrote: | gng930 wrote: | dcarter4kobe wrote: | I'm not overreacting. I'm saying what I said all summer. Giving Max a 4y32mill deal was an overpay on the market. Add it to the list of blunders for Pelinka
I will still be saying the same if/when Max starts playing better. |
Interesting...bit of a fixed mindset here. |
The LG standard. |
"Even if he plays well I'll keep acting like he's not"
yep...least they're honest about it. |
No he's saying that the contract was an overpay given what Christie had shown, because an overpay is a function of the market at that moment. Even if Christie has a strong development curve it doesn't change the fact that (in dc's head) they could've had him for cheaper.
I don't really agree with dc on this but don't misrepresent him. |
I see where you're getting at, it just doesn't reflect reality from someone I consider a veteran poster who crunches numbers as much as he does. FOs hand out contracts based on potential all the time. To me, if a guy outperforms his contract in the first year and you have him locked up for another two years, that's a no-brainer. The player option in the 4th year is not ideal but it might account for less than 5% of the salary cap by then. |
Just want to make clear I still like Max. It's nothing against him and I believe he will be a solid rotation player eventually.
My issue is with the terrible process Pelinka and this front office repeats over and over and over. The margins matter! Especially when we have given our self a hard cap at the 2nd apron. Every bit of flexibility matters on a clearly top heavy team with very little depth.
I'm looking at the process over results and this front office clearly has no grasp of good processes. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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manlisten Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 5:56 am Post subject: |
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Funny enough, KCP and Caruso are just as bad as Max to start the season. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points." |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 6:40 am Post subject: |
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dcarter4kobe wrote: | gng930 wrote: | tox wrote: | MJST wrote: | manlisten wrote: | gng930 wrote: | dcarter4kobe wrote: | I'm not overreacting. I'm saying what I said all summer. Giving Max a 4y32mill deal was an overpay on the market. Add it to the list of blunders for Pelinka
I will still be saying the same if/when Max starts playing better. |
Interesting...bit of a fixed mindset here. |
The LG standard. |
"Even if he plays well I'll keep acting like he's not"
yep...least they're honest about it. |
No he's saying that the contract was an overpay given what Christie had shown, because an overpay is a function of the market at that moment. Even if Christie has a strong development curve it doesn't change the fact that (in dc's head) they could've had him for cheaper.
I don't really agree with dc on this but don't misrepresent him. |
I see where you're getting at, it just doesn't reflect reality from someone I consider a veteran poster who crunches numbers as much as he does. FOs hand out contracts based on potential all the time. To me, if a guy outperforms his contract in the first year and you have him locked up for another two years, that's a no-brainer. The player option in the 4th year is not ideal but it might account for less than 5% of the salary cap by then. |
Just want to make clear I still like Max. It's nothing against him and I believe he will be a solid rotation player eventually.
My issue is with the terrible process Pelinka and this front office repeats over and over and over. The margins matter! Especially when we have given our self a hard cap at the 2nd apron. Every bit of flexibility matters on a clearly top heavy team with very little depth.
I'm looking at the process over results and this front office clearly has no grasp of good processes. |
Putting more thought into this..
Pelinka is a former agent. That might be playing a role here. We hand out a lot of player friendly deals in regards to money and even the much talked about player option years. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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Halflife Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:29 am Post subject: |
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Max, like connect needs reps. _________________ Its out there. |
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J.C. Smith Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:03 am Post subject: |
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Halflife wrote: | Max, like connect needs reps. |
I feel like Knecht has earned his minutes much more than Max has earned his so far though.
What was promising about Max last season, is you could see his potential, but he always played within himself. He seems like he's pressing right now. He's trying to make an impact and earn minutes, but he's shooting 27.8% from the field and 25% from three to average 3.6 points. He's not ready. |
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miggz23 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:06 am Post subject: |
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So far he is having a less of an impact than the guy he’s replacing which is Prince. Max also has the lowest minus on the team.
Could have easily given his contract to Buddy Hield who is killing it off the bench right now.
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Halflife Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:11 am Post subject: |
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J.C. Smith wrote: | Halflife wrote: | Max, like connect needs reps. |
I feel like Knecht has earned his minutes much more than Max has earned his so far though.
What was promising about Max last season, is you could see his potential, but he always played within himself. He seems like he's pressing right now. He's trying to make an impact and earn minutes, but he's shooting 27.8% from the field and 25% from three to average 3.6 points. He's not ready. |
hes being asked to do more. he has to level up to expectations- that only happens when you grow into the moment. _________________ Its out there. |
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levon Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 11:55 am Post subject: |
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Worst total +/- in the league on a team that is 3-2 is wild
-74 over five games |
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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Seems notable that the Lakers, armed with the leverage of his RFA rights, gave Christie a larger offer than they gave Alex Caruso. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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Japago Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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Right now, the extra room under the apron would be more valuable this guy.
I can't believe fans were penciling major roles for this guy without knowing if he's even an NBA-level player.
Fans were just trying to find hope in off-season where the Lakers did nothing. |
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manlisten Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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miggz23 wrote: | So far he is having a less of an impact than the guy he’s replacing which is Prince. Max also has the lowest minus on the team.
Could have easily given his contract to Buddy Hield who is killing it off the bench right now. |
Did Buddy want to sign here or did he prefer playing with Steph? _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points." |
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sonic the laker Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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Well, who didn't see this coming. 5 games into the season, and some Lakers fans already busting out the torches and pitchforks...if they ever put them away.
I'm considering this as Max's true rookie season. Learning to play under pressure/expectation is something he's going to have to learn/navigate. He's a bright kid, with confidence in himself. As long as the coaching staff, and FO, remain confident in him as well, he'll turn things around.
That said, it would definitely help if Reddick gets a better bead on what player combinations work best together. May see some upcoming changes to sub patterns... Having a Rui, or Wood, in the second unit would also help a lot. _________________ ZOOM!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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LakersRGolden Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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levon wrote: | Worst total +/- in the league on a team that is 3-2 is wild
-74 over five games |
What's his +/- when he isn't stuck with Gabe?
One of Dlo or AR should be on the floor 100% of the time if they're both available. |
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Max is really, really, really, really bad. |
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