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venturalakersfan Retired Number


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Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Cutheon wrote: | miggz23 wrote: | leking006 wrote: | what do you think is his ceiling? Who will you compare? |
KCP.... |
That's a pretty low ceiling, don't you think? |
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tox Franchise Player

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Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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we love max |
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mhan00 Retired Number


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Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Slight scare when I saw Max grabbing at his knee. Guess it was just a cramp, thank god. Max is really playing beyond his contract. |
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Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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Max has been awesome. |
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Theseus Franchise Player

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Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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A little bit nervous when he did whatever he did to his knee and checked himself out. Him coming back in and being the same old max was great to see.
I really like his game, and how he seems to be able to contribute in a lot of different ways. We had some weird minutes without AR and Lebron where the offense stagnated, but the one good shot we got was him driving to the basket to get a a foul. We need stuff like that when we seem to be light on playmakers on the roster. |
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LakersForever123 Star Player

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Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | Cutheon wrote: | miggz23 wrote: | leking006 wrote: | what do you think is his ceiling? Who will you compare? |
KCP.... |
That's a pretty low ceiling, don't you think? |
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Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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By the time his current deal with Orlando is over, KCP will have made $170m. |
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tox Franchise Player

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Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 12:20 am Post subject: |
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I hope we never trade Max. He's the kind of guy who is routinely underpaid until, for some reason, the general consensus becomes "this dude is a super valuable 3&D guy" at age 30 and then gets paid, aka the KCP/ Caruso mold. The Lakers paid KCP a lot but those were 1 year "prove it" contracts, not a real reflection of his market value.
At some point we will be trying to attract a new star in FA, and a 27 year old Max Christie (or whatever) will be the low volume/ usage complementary piece you want to entice these guys with. |
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BILBJH Star Player

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Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:22 am Post subject: |
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Some of you don't remember KCP's horrible attempts to run a fast break.
And that was when he was 25 to 27 years of age.
Max is 21
Let's see how he looks in four years before we call KCP his ceiling.
Max is already far more efficient than KCP was when he was 21
Max vs KCP |
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tox Franchise Player

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Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:36 am Post subject: |
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I think Max will have more on ball skills than KCP in his prime. I don't think he'll ever have the same defensive impact but my hope is more like Derrick White lite than KCP lite |
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BILBJH Star Player

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Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:42 am Post subject: |
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tox wrote: | I think Max will have more on ball skills than KCP in his prime. I don't think he'll ever have the same defensive impact but my hope is more like Derrick White lite than KCP lite |
Derrick White didn't get to Max's level of scoring efficiency until he was 28.
I don't know what Max will become, he still has a boy's body in some ways.
But he seems like a bright kid who keeps learning and he's only 21. |
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TMG Star Player

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Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:47 am Post subject: |
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If Max gets on Whites level in the coming years i'd be ecstatic.
I'll never forgive ham for stunting Christies development last season.
We should be having a christie with a full season under his belt. |
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tox Franchise Player

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Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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genuinely the worst game I've seen him play in a long time |
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mhan00 Retired Number


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Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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Definitely needs to be better than he was tonight. Still been great overall for the past month and a half and change. |
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Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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I will say that I hope the dumb narrative about him being a good rebounder goes away. He really isn’t. Stu likes his boards because he grabs them with two hands up high, but he really only gets them if the ball bounces right to him uncontested. If the ball doesn’t bounce to him, he’s not great at anticipating where to go to get it, and he’s really really bad against any kind of pressure grabbing the ball. He’s an okay rebounder for his position, but can’t be considered a good rebounder at all.
Still very happy with his play this season overall and his contract looks great. |
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TMG Star Player

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Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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JJ is forcing him to do too much. It's like he's trying to speed run Christies development. You cant just give Max the ball and ask him to create thinking it'll help his development. It's not something he's used to. |
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miggz23 Star Player

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Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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TMG wrote: | JJ is forcing him to do too much. It's like he's trying to speed run Christies development. You cant just give Max the ball and ask him to create thinking it'll help his development. It's not something he's used to. |
They were testing him out tonight and seeing what else he can do. I'm not mad at it. All part of his growth. |
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Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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TMG wrote: | JJ is forcing him to do too much. It's like he's trying to speed run Christies development. You cant just give Max the ball and ask him to create thinking it'll help his development. It's not something he's used to. |
JJ and FO need to decide if he is a staring caliber player on a contending team in two weeks. Otherwise, a trade will be made to strengthen that position.
That's why JJ testing him I guess. But no need to test actually. He is obviously not that player yet. |
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TMG Star Player

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Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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svettarsalo wrote: | TMG wrote: | JJ is forcing him to do too much. It's like he's trying to speed run Christies development. You cant just give Max the ball and ask him to create thinking it'll help his development. It's not something he's used to. |
JJ and FO need to decide if he is a staring caliber player on a contending team in two weeks. Otherwise, a trade will be made to strengthen that position.
That's why JJ testing him I guess. But no need to test actually. He is obviously not that player yet. |
Team needs a competent backup big.
I wouldn't mind it if Zo came back then you could talk strenghtening putting Zo at the PG spot and Reaves as the Sg. |
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tox Franchise Player

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Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:08 am Post subject: |
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mhan00 wrote: | I will say that I hope the dumb narrative about him being a good rebounder goes away. He really isn’t. Stu likes his boards because he grabs them with two hands up high, but he really only gets them if the ball bounces right to him uncontested. If the ball doesn’t bounce to him, he’s not great at anticipating where to go to get it, and he’s really really bad against any kind of pressure grabbing the ball. He’s an okay rebounder for his position, but can’t be considered a good rebounder at all.
Still very happy with his play this season overall and his contract looks great. |
He was a very good rebounder his first two seasons. His DRB% were 13.8% and 14.2%. For reference, Kobe averaged 12.7% and his career high was 15.3%, and I think most people would agree Kobe was a strong rebounder positionally.
His DRB% has dropped dramatically this season. At 8.3% it's worse than any season of DLO's career (!). So yeah, it is fair to say he has not been a good rebounder this season, but that doesn't mean the narrative about him being a good rebounder in the past is false.
I've heard some people say that Max isn't getting rebounds because when he's guarding PoA, he isn't position to get boards. It could also be a "Steven Adams" situation where he is mostly boxing out. Or, maybe he's just lazier about rebounds. I'm gonna have some humility about why his rebounding numbers are down since it's a little bit uncharacteristic. |
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tox Franchise Player

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Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:11 am Post subject: |
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TMG wrote: | JJ is forcing him to do too much. It's like he's trying to speed run Christies development. You cant just give Max the ball and ask him to create thinking it'll help his development. It's not something he's used to. |
FWIW I saw him take a lot of shots in the first half today which were normal shots he was taking. Maybe he was a bit antsy on the 3s but starting 2-4 made him feel like he was in a rhythm. I've noticed he actually has a slow release relatively speaking and so if he gets rushed/ sped up, his accuracy drops a lot. I like Max but this is a big concern I have about him being able to hit 3s in the playoffs.
The on ball stuff... weirdly today it felt like there were two situations that were going on:
1) A lot of primary PnR stuff which basically went nowhere and he passed it out (burning the shot clock)
2) A lot of attacking closeouts aggressively and bricking layups, middies, and getting blocked.
The latter is usually something he's good at and he was god awful tonight, and that makes me wonder if he was in his own head about his high scoring nights. The former is, I think, both JJ trying to develop skills, but also get some additional playmaking now that DLO is gone -- and especially tonight with AD resting. It seemed like Gabe got some additional minutes over Max's normal minutes rotation because he has more of that on ball juice that Max showed tonight he does not have. Re: the closeouts, in the second half he stopped looking for his shot and I thought he played better on offense. |
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Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2025 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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TMG wrote: | JJ is forcing him to do too much. It's like he's trying to speed run Christies development. You cant just give Max the ball and ask him to create thinking it'll help his development. It's not something he's used to. |
Given our depleted asset situation, internal growth has to be part of the equation if we're to accomplish anything. At his size Christie is more of a 3-and-D guard than wing. Ball handling remains a major hole in his game, and teams usually need that from both guards. They put the ball in his hands two summer league's ago and he did well with it. But NBA level defenses have so far been too advanced for him to crack. It's a pitty he wasn't developed under Darvin, but living with his struggles now are the only way to seed a better future. Doing something similar with Dalton too. |
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Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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Laker's Fan wrote: | TMG wrote: | JJ is forcing him to do too much. It's like he's trying to speed run Christies development. You cant just give Max the ball and ask him to create thinking it'll help his development. It's not something he's used to. |
Given our depleted asset situation, internal growth has to be part of the equation if we're to accomplish anything. At his size Christie is more of a 3-and-D guard than wing. Ball handling remains a major hole in his game, and teams usually need that from both guards. They put the ball in his hands two summer league's ago and he did well with it. But NBA level defenses have so far been too advanced for him to crack. It's a pitty he wasn't developed under Darvin, but living with his struggles now are the only way to seed a better future. Doing something similar with Dalton too. |
Bad shooting games happen. He will be 22 next month and we wasted a year of his development. Max is fine and will figure it out. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns". |
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miggz23 Star Player

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Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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Max is doing well filling that KCP role…
17 Starts:
11.2ppg
47% fg
39% 3fg
88% FT
It’s the other part of the game he needs to work on. But I don’t think he will be a good iso player in this league. He just lacks the ball handling skills. |
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Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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I love Max, I will fist fight anyone who doesn't agree with me that he is great, but everyone agrees with me! |
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