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| pjiddy wrote: | Whose minutes is he taking when he comes back?
Lonnie only averaging 15 mpg since he came back. Lakers don’t have the balls to bench him.
Ditto for cutting Russ minutes.
Dennis and PatBev drop to 15mpg each? I like Reaves better than all four, but he’s the easiest to bench from Ham’s perspective. They’d probably prefer Reaves continue to take his time with his injury. |
Reaves and Westbrook are the second unit. That's how Reaves will get used when he's fully healthy. I would expect Walker to be the guy who gets squeezed out, but we shall see.
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| SGA or Lavine and we can forget the Kyrie situation |
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If we still have five playable guards after the deadline (with or without RWB), I’d consider trading Schroder for a 2nd
The fact we don’t have bird rights being the important factor there
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| alleyoop wrote: | If we still have five playable guards after the deadline (with or without RWB), I’d consider trading Schroder for a 2nd
The fact we don’t have bird rights being the important factor there |
What about selling everyone thats not resigned for next year?
Lonnie
Bryant
Beverly
Tuscano
Dennis
etc...We can get a bunch of 2nds and use them in the summer. Its not like we are going far this year  |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| alleyoop wrote: | If we still have five playable guards after the deadline (with or without RWB), I’d consider trading Schroder for a 2nd
The fact we don’t have bird rights being the important factor there |
Although maybe just a rental for the rest of the year, he could be a good piece for the right team and should be very tradeable with his salary. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| scout_0 wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | If we still have five playable guards after the deadline (with or without RWB), I’d consider trading Schroder for a 2nd
The fact we don’t have bird rights being the important factor there |
What about selling everyone thats not resigned for next year?
Lonnie
Bryant
Beverly
Tuscano
Dennis
etc...We can get a bunch of 2nds and use them in the summer. Its not like we are going far this year |
What if Jerry West called, Wall and 2nd for Lonnie? hope our answer is no |
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| Quote: | The Jazz have discussed a deal that would send a combination of rotation players including Mike Conley and Malik Beasley to the Lakers for 2027 and 2029 first-round picks and Russell Westbrook, per @espn_macmahon
Russell Westbrook would likely receive a buyout after the trade. |
Rob needs to be fired if this happens |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:25 am Post subject: |
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| Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | Quote: | The Jazz have discussed a deal that would send a combination of rotation players including Mike Conley and Malik Beasley to the Lakers for 2027 and 2029 first-round picks and Russell Westbrook, per @espn_macmahon
Russell Westbrook would likely receive a buyout after the trade. |
Rob needs to be fired if this happens |
Just (bleep) terrible that they would even discuss this.
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You can just about ignore any rumor that has the Lakers sending out two 1sts that doesn’t return an AllStar level player. They wouldn’t wait this long only to pull the trigger on something for the last minute.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:32 am Post subject: |
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1) you better be receiving Vanderbilt in that trade
2) you better be getting a bunch of 2nds back too
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| I would give the 2 picks for Lauri + Conley for Brick City |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| alleyoop wrote: | 1) you better be receiving Vanderbilt in that trade
2) you better be getting a bunch of 2nds back too |
U better get Lauri back |
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Aeneas Hunter
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:41 am Post subject: |
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | You can just about ignore any rumor that has the Lakers sending out two 1sts that doesn’t return an AllStar level player. They wouldn’t wait this long only to pull the trigger on something for the last minute. |
Hopefully, this is correct.
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| Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | 1) you better be receiving Vanderbilt in that trade
2) you better be getting a bunch of 2nds back too |
U better get Lauri back |
Lauri is insane.
24 PPG
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | 1) you better be receiving Vanderbilt in that trade
2) you better be getting a bunch of 2nds back too |
U better get Lauri back |
That’s obviously not happening
Need a 3-team trade to happen if we give up both firsts
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Another risk to consider is the current uncertainty around the next CBA. Both side recently agreed to push the mutual opt out deadline to 6/30/23, the day before 23-24 free agency begins.
| Quote: | | If the league or union opts out of the current deal effective at the start of free agency on that date, the league's business would shut down. Trades and free agent acquisitions would cease without a new labor agreement. The risk of losing regular-season games would begin in October. |
There could be very different economic factors at play for the upcoming season.
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| scout_0 wrote: | | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | 1) you better be receiving Vanderbilt in that trade
2) you better be getting a bunch of 2nds back too |
U better get Lauri back |
Lauri is insane.
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HOLY COW |
Laurie is untouchable so that's not happening. However, Vandy, Beasley and Conley do fit our needs...there is no all star there so do you sacrifice a FRP? |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | | You can just about ignore any rumor that has the Lakers sending out two 1sts that doesn’t return an AllStar level player. They wouldn’t wait this long only to pull the trigger on something for the last minute. |
Hopefully, this is correct. |
Part of me was a little disappointed they reportedly went ther in the Irving offer. But to be fair, that’s where you have to consider your partnership with LeBron. So in the end, I’m happy they did, and happy it didn’t work.
Now that Turner s in such a team friendly extension, that’s the only other two pick avenue I could see them revisiting (were Indy open to that, which is no certainty).
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | lakerican wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | Polarbear wrote: | | Stop trying to trade Austin Reaves do people have that short of memories? |
No but thanks to our cheapness, he’s going to be a free agent next year
And thanks to our absurd roster construction we have too many guards
And thanks to Ham’s bizarre (dumb?) rotations, he’s gonna get less time than Russ, Dennis, PatBev, and probably Lonnie, since auditioning Walker for free agency is a priority for us.
How likely is it that Reaves stays next year? Or that Jeanie shells out for him?
Trading him is the best move if you’re not going to move at least two of Russ/Dennis/Pat/Lonnie. |
Austin has been sidelined with injury. He is averaging 29 minutes and have an eFG of 57 while sbooting 36% from 3 and we also have his bird rights. The reasons you gives is just trade hunger like everyone here. |
Whose minutes is he taking when he comes back?
Lonnie only averaging 15 mpg since he came back. Lakers don’t have the balls to bench him.
Ditto for cutting Russ minutes.
Dennis and PatBev drop to 15mpg each? I like Reaves better than all four, but he’s the easiest to bench from Ham’s perspective. They’d probably prefer Reaves continue to take his time with his injury. |
You have to help Ham help himself by trading out at least 2 guards and culling the guard rotation. Only exceptions are the Toronto (FVV/GTJ) trade or one where we have to back a Conley for example. Even then, I would urge the FO to make a separate Bev and/or Lonnie trade to thin that out more.
Reaves is coming back, and Max should start getting more regular minutes too.
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | Another risk to consider is the current uncertainty around the next CBA. Both side recently agreed to push the mutual opt out deadline to 6/30/23, the day before 23-24 free agency begins.
| Quote: | | If the league or union opts out of the current deal effective at the start of free agency on that date, the league's business would shut down. Trades and free agent acquisitions would cease without a new labor agreement. The risk of losing regular-season games would begin in October. |
There could be very different economic factors at play for the upcoming season. |
This is true. The big point of contention is making the luxury tax system more effective. Some of the owners want a hard cap. The players will never agree to that. Some owners have issues with the idea, too. I've been expecting a compromise, but it hasn't shown up yet. They could make the repeater tax even more punitive, or they could lower the luxury tax threshold, or they could strip cap exceptions or even draft picks from repeat offenders. I think that they will eventually find their way to some sort of compromise.
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| Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | Quote: | The Jazz have discussed a deal that would send a combination of rotation players including Mike Conley and Malik Beasley to the Lakers for 2027 and 2029 first-round picks and Russell Westbrook, per @espn_macmahon
Russell Westbrook would likely receive a buyout after the trade. |
Rob needs to be fired if this happens |
I don’t believe that trade would happen. If it does, it’s one of the dumbest trades in history. Immediately.
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| King Randle wrote: | | scout_0 wrote: | | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | alleyoop wrote: | 1) you better be receiving Vanderbilt in that trade
2) you better be getting a bunch of 2nds back too |
U better get Lauri back |
Lauri is insane.
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HOLY COW |
Laurie is untouchable so that's not happening. However, Vandy, Beasley and Conley do fit our needs...there is no all star there so do you sacrifice a FRP? |
That's the point. No trade with Utah should cost 2 frps |
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | You can just about ignore any rumor that has the Lakers sending out two 1sts that doesn’t return an AllStar level player. They wouldn’t wait this long only to pull the trigger on something for the last minute. |
That’s my feeling too.
It’s going to be for LaVine, SGA type or it’s not happening. Even the Kyrie one, we don’t know or say it was unprotected FRPs if Kyrie commits to 4 years vs. protected FRPs since he’s a rental and a risk.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | | You can just about ignore any rumor that has the Lakers sending out two 1sts that doesn’t return an AllStar level player. They wouldn’t wait this long only to pull the trigger on something for the last minute. |
Hopefully, this is correct. |
Part of me was a little disappointed they reportedly went ther in the Irving offer. But to be fair, that’s where you have to consider your partnership with LeBron. So in the end, I’m happy they did, and happy it didn’t work.
Now that Turner s in such a team friendly extension, that’s the only other two pick avenue I could see them revisiting (were Indy open to that, which is no certainty). |
I've been team Buddy/Turner since day 1, and I think their play this year (and Turner's subsequent great extension) have shown that would have been a worthwhile move. But not sure Indy is eager to trade Myles now that Haliburton is back.
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | Another risk to consider is the current uncertainty around the next CBA. Both side recently agreed to push the mutual opt out deadline to 6/30/23, the day before 23-24 free agency begins.
| Quote: | | If the league or union opts out of the current deal effective at the start of free agency on that date, the league's business would shut down. Trades and free agent acquisitions would cease without a new labor agreement. The risk of losing regular-season games would begin in October. |
There could be very different economic factors at play for the upcoming season. |
This is true. The big point of contention is making the luxury tax system more effective. Some of the owners want a hard cap. The players will never agree to that. Some owners have issues with the idea, too. I've been expecting a compromise, but it hasn't shown up yet. They could make the repeater tax even more punitive, or they could lower the luxury tax threshold, or they could strip cap exceptions or even draft picks from repeat offenders. I think that they will eventually find their way to some sort of compromise. |
I think there are owners who will sit on the sidelines re: repeater/luxury tax b/c they frankly financially benefit from collecting said tax while a few teams pay them.
I don't think you will deter a Ballmer or Lacob (maybe him more than Ballmer) from spending an insane amount of money on taxes.
It'll be interesting seeing how they resolve this.
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