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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:17 pm    Post subject:

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Trae Young is not the move Lakers wanna go.

A 6ft no defending guard, that just wants to play offense isn't a good direction.

On top of the contract that he has.


opposing guards are taking time off on defense whenever playing against Lakers, why? because they don't have offensive guards that can force them spend energy on defense. sometime, offense can help defense.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:19 pm    Post subject:

SGV-Laker fan wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
Trae Young is not the move Lakers wanna go.

A 6ft no defending guard, that just wants to play offense isn't a good direction.

On top of the contract that he has.


opposing guards are taking time off on defense whenever playing against Lakers, why? because they don't have offensive guards that can force them spend energy on defense. sometime, offense can help defense.


The Lakers had the best record after trade deadline and went to the Western conference finals.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:23 pm    Post subject:

Outspoken wrote:
Bron2AD wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
Trae Young is not the move Lakers wanna go.

A 6ft no defending guard, that just wants to play offense isn't a good direction.

On top of the contract that he has.


i know a 6ft guy here in bay area who won 4 championships without playing any defense... his name is steph curry.

Trae young is not curry but is only 24years old. We dont have assets to get him...


Steph is 6'3 and as you said, Trae isn't Steph and Lakers are not the Warriors.


steph is barely 6'2 and plays no defense and nor lead league in assists like trae did i think last year
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:27 pm    Post subject:

Bron2AD wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
Bron2AD wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
Trae Young is not the move Lakers wanna go.

A 6ft no defending guard, that just wants to play offense isn't a good direction.

On top of the contract that he has.


i know a 6ft guy here in bay area who won 4 championships without playing any defense... his name is steph curry.

Trae young is not curry but is only 24years old. We dont have assets to get him...


Steph is 6'3 and as you said, Trae isn't Steph and Lakers are not the Warriors.


steph is barely 6'2 and plays no defense and nor lead league in assists like trae did i think last year


Steph isn't a good defender, but he's not a joke out there. Trae is much smaller and he's way easier to hunt and he's probably one of the 5 worst guard defenders in the entire league.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:28 pm    Post subject:

Bron2AD wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
Bron2AD wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
Trae Young is not the move Lakers wanna go.

A 6ft no defending guard, that just wants to play offense isn't a good direction.

On top of the contract that he has.


i know a 6ft guy here in bay area who won 4 championships without playing any defense... his name is steph curry.

Trae young is not curry but is only 24years old. We dont have assets to get him...


Steph is 6'3 and as you said, Trae isn't Steph and Lakers are not the Warriors.


steph is barely 6'2 and plays no defense and nor lead league in assists like trae did i think last year


Steph was listed at 6'3, none the less he is more impactful than Trae because he is elite on and off the ball on offense.

Also have a front line to mask where he lacks at on defense.

I don't get the Trae and Steph comparison. There is no comparison.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:35 pm    Post subject:

What 25PPG+ guard do you guys want then? I swear to god the "nO DeFEnSE" people are so annoying sometimes.

Luka - 32.4PPG - ZERO defense. Luka played 66 games last year
Dame - 32.2PPG - does he play defense? Dude played 58 games last year lol
Shai - 31.4PPG - played 68 games, Shai's ok at D I guess?
Spida - 28.3PPG - traffic cone (68 games)
Kyrie - 27.1PPG - traffic cone and crazy (60 games)
Trae - 26.2PPG - also traffic cone (73 games)
Ja - 26.2PPG - traffic cone and crazy (61 games)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:38 pm    Post subject:

Steph makes the deep threes while Trae just shoots them. As much as I don't like DLo, I'd rather have him over Trae. We need a defensive specialist like KCP.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:42 pm    Post subject:

ChickenStu wrote:
Bron2AD wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
Bron2AD wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
Trae Young is not the move Lakers wanna go.

A 6ft no defending guard, that just wants to play offense isn't a good direction.

On top of the contract that he has.


i know a 6ft guy here in bay area who won 4 championships without playing any defense... his name is steph curry.

Trae young is not curry but is only 24years old. We dont have assets to get him...


Steph is 6'3 and as you said, Trae isn't Steph and Lakers are not the Warriors.


steph is barely 6'2 and plays no defense and nor lead league in assists like trae did i think last year


Steph isn't a good defender, but he's not a joke out there. Trae is much smaller and he's way easier to hunt and he's probably one of the 5 worst guard defenders in the entire league.


i am sure DLO is in top 3 worst guard defenders in the entire league as well
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:51 pm    Post subject:

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What 25PPG+ guard do you guys want then? I swear to god the "nO DeFEnSE" people are so annoying sometimes.

Luka - 32.4PPG - ZERO defense. Luka played 66 games last year
Dame - 32.2PPG - does he play defense? Dude played 58 games last year lol
Shai - 31.4PPG - played 68 games, Shai's ok at D I guess?
Spida - 28.3PPG - traffic cone (68 games)
Kyrie - 27.1PPG - traffic cone and crazy (60 games)
Trae - 26.2PPG - also traffic cone (73 games)
Ja - 26.2PPG - traffic cone and crazy (61 games)


I said 6'0, don't play defense, AND talked about his contract.

Dame, Ja, and Kyrie are the only ones that play the same position and fit closer to what I said.

So no need to reach for a point.

Ja is staying as a grizzlie and also have a front line to mask him defensively.

Defense was Dallas's main problem, goes to my point.

Dame is older and his contract is terrible, I don't get including him. I wouldn't want him.

Who would I select out of all of them? Kyrie because he is the more impactful offensive threat and has chemistry with Bron.

Kyrie is also a free agent, so I would be hoping for a deal or I would pass.

I would go in another direction and draft a point, free agency, or even go with Shaq Harrison.

It seems y'all have a fascination with shooting for the stars and not caring about depth or who fits a team dynamic.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:59 pm    Post subject:

CHRIS PAUL question.

If he gets waived. Phoenix on the hook for 15 mil.

Now he signs with a new team as a free agent.

The new contract with the new team does not stack on top of the 15 mil right? There's an offset is what I thought.

Thus, it doesn't matter what his new contract with his new team looks like unless it's more than 15 mil. And if its the Lakers, why waste that much on him, it would have to be for the vet min since Paul wouldn't care where the 15 mil was coming from.

Right?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:03 pm    Post subject:

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CHRIS PAUL question.

If he gets waived. Phoenix on the hook for 15 mil.

Now he signs with a new team as a free agent.

The new contract with the new team does not stack on top of the 15 mil right? There's an offset is what I thought.

Thus, it doesn't matter what his new contract with his new team looks like unless it's more than 15 mil. And if its the Lakers, why waste that much on him, it would have to be for the vet min since Paul wouldn't care where the 15 mil was coming from.


I think CP3 is/was set to make 30M+. He gets his 15M no matter what. He'll then get to stack any monies on top.
Right?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:03 pm    Post subject:

everyone is a traffic cone in the modern nba because no one is allowed to play defense
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:04 pm    Post subject:

CP3 has already made 330M in his career FWIW.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:09 pm    Post subject:

nomoreshaq wrote:
CP3 has already made 330M in his career FWIW.



Yup. The point is I hear media talk about how lakers can give him MLE or whatever. Why would they do that, makes no sense if contract doesn't stack.

Bottom line: CP3 for vet min contract is a no brainer. He can come off bench or whatever.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:13 pm    Post subject:

Found a better explanation if anyone interested:

After the 48 hours passes, the player becomes an unrestricted free agent. He can sign with anyone who wants him.

His former contract is still guaranteed and he still receives all his money no matter what.
The NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement stipulates that teams can always sign a player for a league-minimum salary, even if they’re over the salary cap line or the luxury tax threshold. It’s like a special cap exception. If they have a roster spot open, the most capped-up teams in the league are allowed to add another player, as long as that player accepts a league-minimum salary.
The old, guaranteed contract and the player’s contract with the new team do not stack. Instead the player’s old contract (and the old team’s obligation) is reduced—or offset—by the amount of the new contract.

We’re fudging a bit here, but it’s easiest to think of it this way: if the player was owed $12 million per year on the old contract and he he signs a new one for $2 million per year, he does not get $14 million. He gets the same $12 million: the new team pays $2 million, which goes against their cap, and the old team pays $10 million, which stays on their cap even though the player is no longer with them.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:25 pm    Post subject:

textbook wrote:
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CP3 has already made 330M in his career FWIW.



Yup. The point is I hear media talk about how lakers can give him MLE or whatever. Why would they do that, makes no sense if contract doesn't stack.

Bottom line: CP3 for vet min contract is a no brainer. He can come off bench or whatever.


As much as I hate CP3, if he comes for the cheapest vet min, I can stomach it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 5:00 pm    Post subject:

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The old, guaranteed contract and the player’s contract with the new team do not stack. Instead the player’s old contract (and the old team’s obligation) is reduced—or offset—by the amount of the new contract.


That's not quite correct.

Quote:
The amount the original team gets to set off is limited to one-half the difference between the player's new salary and the minimum salary for a one-year veteran during the season in which the player is waived (if the player is a rookie, then the rookie minimum is used instead).


http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q65
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 5:47 pm    Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:
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i know a 6ft guy here in bay area who won 4 championships without playing any defense... his name is steph curry.


Trae Young makes Steph Curry look like Gary Payton, Sr.



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 5:49 pm    Post subject:

Since we're playing ifs, buts, candies and nuts, someone pop out hypothetical moves that gets us Jeremi Grant, even though he will re-sign with Portland.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:17 pm    Post subject:

nomoreshaq wrote:
What 25PPG+ guard do you guys want then? I swear to god the "nO DeFEnSE" people are so annoying sometimes.

Luka - 32.4PPG - ZERO defense. Luka played 66 games last year
Dame - 32.2PPG - does he play defense? Dude played 58 games last year lol
Shai - 31.4PPG - played 68 games, Shai's ok at D I guess?
Spida - 28.3PPG - traffic cone (68 games)
Kyrie - 27.1PPG - traffic cone and crazy (60 games)
Trae - 26.2PPG - also traffic cone (73 games)
Ja - 26.2PPG - traffic cone and crazy (61 games)


There won’t be a 25 ppg PG on this team, nor is one needed.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:57 pm    Post subject:

Haynes saying if Dame gets traded which sounds more and more likely, it’ll either be to Miami or Brooklyn. Even said Dame won’t play in Boston.

https://twitter.com/dpshow/status/1666860141029863443

Dame basically confirming Hayne’s reporting… he really don’t like Boston.

https://twitter.com/landonbuford/status/1666986361445023752
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:19 pm    Post subject:

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Haynes saying if Dame gets traded which sounds more and more likely, it’ll either be to Miami or Brooklyn. Even said Dame won’t play in Boston.

https://twitter.com/dpshow/status/1666860141029863443

Dame basically confirming Hayne’s reporting… he really don’t like Boston.

https://twitter.com/landonbuford/status/1666986361445023752


Once Dame goes to nets can we trade for a Simons?

Beas/Shaq/17 for a Simons?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:52 pm    Post subject:

Great video from Laker Nation building out our roster for next season in a realistic manner:

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:28 pm    Post subject:

nomoreshaq wrote:
What 25PPG+ guard do you guys want then? I swear to god the "nO DeFEnSE" people are so annoying sometimes.

Luka - 32.4PPG - ZERO defense. Luka played 66 games last year
Dame - 32.2PPG - does he play defense? Dude played 58 games last year lol
Shai - 31.4PPG - played 68 games, Shai's ok at D I guess?
Spida - 28.3PPG - traffic cone (68 games)
Kyrie - 27.1PPG - traffic cone and crazy (60 games)
Trae - 26.2PPG - also traffic cone (73 games)
Ja - 26.2PPG - traffic cone and crazy (61 games)


This is my favorite part of the "he doesn't play defense so I don't want him" commentary when it comes to guards. There's like 4 or 5 starting point guards that are good defenders. Usually if a point guard is known for their defense it's because their offense is subpar. Very few exceptions to this.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:01 pm    Post subject:

Killer_Z wrote:
Great video from Laker Nation building out our roster for next season in a realistic manner:



On thanks laker nation for promoting ur video for free clicks
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