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| manlisten wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | If you were emptying the clip, next summer the Lakers could offer 3 firsts (24/25, 29, 31), 3 swaps (26, 28, 30), Hood-Schifino, Maxwell Lewis, Rui Hachimura and D’Angelo Russell. That might not be the top package, but it’s close enough to pass muster imo if Giannis is telling teams he wants LA.
I think having a plausible offer for Giannis is a specific objective the team is working towards. It remains to be seen if he would want to play here over other options, though I could see him wanting to play for Darvin though.
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That's way too much to give up for a 30 year old. |
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | manlisten wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | If you were emptying the clip, next summer the Lakers could offer 3 firsts (24/25, 29, 31), 3 swaps (26, 28, 30), Hood-Schifino, Maxwell Lewis, Rui Hachimura and D’Angelo Russell. That might not be the top package, but it’s close enough to pass muster imo if Giannis is telling teams he wants LA.
I think having a plausible offer for Giannis is a specific objective the team is working towards. It remains to be seen if he would want to play here over other options, though I could see him wanting to play for Darvin though.
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That's way too much to give up for a 30 year old. |
The Lakers are in the business of retiring jerseys and building statues. They will always be willing to trade quantity for transcendent quality. It’s how a brand as mature as the Lakers stacks equity, in addition to winning titles. |
That's 2 more picks and 1 more player than they gave up for a 26 year old AD. For Giannis who'd be 30 with 1 year on his contract. Seems like an overpay.
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | If you were emptying the clip, next summer the Lakers could offer 3 firsts (24/25, 29, 31), 3 swaps (26, 28, 30), Hood-Schifino, Maxwell Lewis, Rui Hachimura and D’Angelo Russell. That might not be the top package, but it’s close enough to pass muster imo if Giannis is telling teams he wants LA.
I think having a plausible offer for Giannis is a specific objective the team is working towards. It remains to be seen if he would want to play here over other options, though I could see him wanting to play for Darvin though.
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That’s a big if. I expect Giannis to stay in Milwaukee but if he wants to team up a younger wing player would be more attractive than sharing the paint with 32/33 yo AD. The Lakers should be pursuing that younger wing to team with AD.
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| LakerFan1987 wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | Next summer I can see the following Rui $17M, DLo $18.7M and Vando $13.4M totaling $49.1M
Looks who is making $48.8M ... Giannis
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For sure, they would move those pieces for Giannis. But I can't see Milwaukee do that without getting more draft assets/young players. Likely, you'd see DLO go to a 3rd team. And for sure you'd have to include the 2029 pick and JHS. Even then, I doubt Bucks would move Giannis for anything short of a hiest. |
I should have included plus one or two picks. Our ACE is Giannis, he can dictate where he goes since he's got a player option in 2025.
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The Bucks would want way more than "one or two picks."
Even if Giannis demands to be traded (and we'll see if that actually happens), his leverage to become a free agent is reduced because most of the teams he'd want to go to wouldn't be able to sign him outright.
If Giannis leaves, the Bucks are going into rebuilding mode. (And they would immediately have a ton of cap space). I'm not sure they would want DLO, Rui, and Vandy for $49 million -- they could probably find equal or better players in free agency. None of those three guys at those salary points are exactly bargains. So if they took those guys as trade ballast salary, it would be in order to get a ton of picks or young assets.
So I am not buying into the fantasy that we are going to land Giannis for a painless and cheap trade package. |
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We're still trying to recover our draft picks from the AD trade so I doubt we would have anything of great value to offer in a trade. Only way Giannis comimg here is by opting out and becoming UFA. If he could be like Bron...
Like I've said before, 1995 Shaq, 2018 Bron. Only 23 years in between the Lakers getting a top 5 FA for free. It's hard but when it did happen, we got championships. Shaq got us three while Bron got us one so far. Rare but not impossible. Fingers crossed we don't have to wait another 23 years.
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| activeverb wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | Next summer I can see the following Rui $17M, DLo $18.7M and Vando $13.4M totaling $49.1M
Looks who is making $48.8M ... Giannis
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For sure, they would move those pieces for Giannis. But I can't see Milwaukee do that without getting more draft assets/young players. Likely, you'd see DLO go to a 3rd team. And for sure you'd have to include the 2029 pick and JHS. Even then, I doubt Bucks would move Giannis for anything short of a hiest. |
I should have included plus one or two picks. Our ACE is Giannis, he can dictate where he goes since he's got a player option in 2025.
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The Bucks would want way more than "one or two picks."
Even if Giannis demands to be traded (and we'll see if that actually happens), his leverage to become a free agent is reduced because most of the teams he'd want to go to wouldn't be able to sign him outright.
If Giannis leaves, the Bucks are going into rebuilding mode. (And they would immediately have a ton of cap space). I'm not sure they would want DLO, Rui, and Vandy for $49 million -- they could probably find equal or better players in free agency. None of those three guys at those salary points are exactly bargains. So if they took those guys as trade ballast salary, it would be in order to get a ton of picks or young assets.
So I am not buying into the fantasy that we are going to land Giannis for a painless and cheap trade package. |
But one of those teams that could sign him outright are the Lakers. |
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| LakerFan1987 wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | Next summer I can see the following Rui $17M, DLo $18.7M and Vando $13.4M totaling $49.1M
Looks who is making $48.8M ... Giannis
Pelinka is playing 3 dimensional chess at this point. |
For sure, they would move those pieces for Giannis. But I can't see Milwaukee do that without getting more draft assets/young players. Likely, you'd see DLO go to a 3rd team. And for sure you'd have to include the 2029 pick and JHS. Even then, I doubt Bucks would move Giannis for anything short of a hiest. |
I should have included plus one or two picks. Our ACE is Giannis, he can dictate where he goes since he's got a player option in 2025.
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The Bucks would want way more than "one or two picks."
Even if Giannis demands to be traded (and we'll see if that actually happens), his leverage to become a free agent is reduced because most of the teams he'd want to go to wouldn't be able to sign him outright.
If Giannis leaves, the Bucks are going into rebuilding mode. (And they would immediately have a ton of cap space). I'm not sure they would want DLO, Rui, and Vandy for $49 million -- they could probably find equal or better players in free agency. None of those three guys at those salary points are exactly bargains. So if they took those guys as trade ballast salary, it would be in order to get a ton of picks or young assets.
So I am not buying into the fantasy that we are going to land Giannis for a painless and cheap trade package. |
But one of those teams that could sign him outright are the Lakers. |
Maybe
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | Next summer I can see the following Rui $17M, DLo $18.7M and Vando $13.4M totaling $49.1M
Looks who is making $48.8M ... Giannis
Pelinka is playing 3 dimensional chess at this point. |
For sure, they would move those pieces for Giannis. But I can't see Milwaukee do that without getting more draft assets/young players. Likely, you'd see DLO go to a 3rd team. And for sure you'd have to include the 2029 pick and JHS. Even then, I doubt Bucks would move Giannis for anything short of a hiest. |
I should have included plus one or two picks. Our ACE is Giannis, he can dictate where he goes since he's got a player option in 2025.
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The Bucks would want way more than "one or two picks."
Even if Giannis demands to be traded (and we'll see if that actually happens), his leverage to become a free agent is reduced because most of the teams he'd want to go to wouldn't be able to sign him outright.
If Giannis leaves, the Bucks are going into rebuilding mode. (And they would immediately have a ton of cap space). I'm not sure they would want DLO, Rui, and Vandy for $49 million -- they could probably find equal or better players in free agency. None of those three guys at those salary points are exactly bargains. So if they took those guys as trade ballast salary, it would be in order to get a ton of picks or young assets.
So I am not buying into the fantasy that we are going to land Giannis for a painless and cheap trade package. |
But one of those teams that could sign him outright are the Lakers. |
Maybe |
If the Lakers think they have a shot at him - and if they want him - they'll create the space.
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| manlisten wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | | manlisten wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | If you were emptying the clip, next summer the Lakers could offer 3 firsts (24/25, 29, 31), 3 swaps (26, 28, 30), Hood-Schifino, Maxwell Lewis, Rui Hachimura and D’Angelo Russell. That might not be the top package, but it’s close enough to pass muster imo if Giannis is telling teams he wants LA.
I think having a plausible offer for Giannis is a specific objective the team is working towards. It remains to be seen if he would want to play here over other options, though I could see him wanting to play for Darvin though.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5odETBzZWq0 |
That's way too much to give up for a 30 year old. |
The Lakers are in the business of retiring jerseys and building statues. They will always be willing to trade quantity for transcendent quality. It’s how a brand as mature as the Lakers stacks equity, in addition to winning titles. |
That's 2 more picks and 1 more player than they gave up for a 26 year old AD. For Giannis who'd be 30 with 1 year on his contract. Seems like an overpay. |
There's al also nothing resembling Ingram, and at the time Ball was a useful prospect. |
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I'm just going to say, Rob learned from the AD trade (no thanks to Magic throwing everyone into the deal and giving away leverage).
It will be different this time w/Giannis. |
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| LakerFan1987 wrote: | I'm just going to say, Rob learned from the AD trade (no thanks to Magic throwing everyone into the deal and giving away leverage).
It will be different this time w/Giannis. |
That and in general, Rob has gotten a much better handle on asset management and the importance of team continuity since the Westbrook trade. Some learn the hard way and he did, but some never learn at all. So I’m glad to see this GM in particular is the former.
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| Megaton wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | I'm just going to say, Rob learned from the AD trade (no thanks to Magic throwing everyone into the deal and giving away leverage).
It will be different this time w/Giannis. |
That and in general, Rob has gotten a much better handle on asset management and the importance of team continuity since the Westbrook trade. Some learn the hard way and he did, but some never learn at all. So I’m glad to see this GM in particular is the former. |
You guys are living in another world if you think we can get Giannis without giving up the farm. I love this team but I would blow it up for Giannis, he is just that great, just like we had to blow it all up for AD. But we can worry about that in 2025 |
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| fansincemagic wrote: | | manlisten wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | | manlisten wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | If you were emptying the clip, next summer the Lakers could offer 3 firsts (24/25, 29, 31), 3 swaps (26, 28, 30), Hood-Schifino, Maxwell Lewis, Rui Hachimura and D’Angelo Russell. That might not be the top package, but it’s close enough to pass muster imo if Giannis is telling teams he wants LA.
I think having a plausible offer for Giannis is a specific objective the team is working towards. It remains to be seen if he would want to play here over other options, though I could see him wanting to play for Darvin though.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5odETBzZWq0 |
That's way too much to give up for a 30 year old. |
The Lakers are in the business of retiring jerseys and building statues. They will always be willing to trade quantity for transcendent quality. It’s how a brand as mature as the Lakers stacks equity, in addition to winning titles. |
That's 2 more picks and 1 more player than they gave up for a 26 year old AD. For Giannis who'd be 30 with 1 year on his contract. Seems like an overpay. |
There's al also nothing resembling Ingram, and at the time Ball was a useful prospect. |
People have short memories. D'lo now is better than Ingram was then, albeit without the upside factor. Ingram again had the blood clot issue and a slow development track. Lonzo was absolutely not considered a useful prospect. The Lakers also had just come off a disaster season that kinda devalued everyone on the roster to an extent.
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| LakerFan1987 wrote: | I'm just going to say, Rob learned from the AD trade (no thanks to Magic throwing everyone into the deal and giving away leverage).
It will be different this time w/Giannis. |
Uhh, this F’n narrative again!?
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Dude’s the chosen one in ducking any accountability.
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Oh and about this Giannis narrative, dude has a player opt out for the 2025/26 season, so the earliest he can threaten to walk into cap space with is 2 summers from now.
Let’s assume the cap climbs a max of 10% these next 2 seasons, the. The 2025/26 season wound reflect a salary cap of 164.56m. Meanwhile that ‘25 offseason has our cap sheet look like:
AD: 57.6m (35% max of whatever the cap is set at; also Giannis’s max #)
Rui: 18.3m
Reaves: 13.9m
Vando: ~12m (till we get solid figures in his extension)
Gabe 11.5m
JHS: 4.1m (team option)
MaxL: 2.2m (nonguaranteed)
= 119.6m in team salary for 7 players; incomplete roster (IR) charges would be about 1.36m per on a salary cap that climbed 10% these next couple years…so adding 5 IR charges, our team salary now comes to 126.38m and that would mean on a projected 164.56m salary cap, we’d only have 38.18m in practical cap space to offer Giannis to leverage Milwaukee with.
Remember dude is a 35% max player like AD, so that’s a ~20m haircut off his true max annual salary. And even if we do not exercise JHS and do not guarantee MaxL’s deals, that would only open up a net of about 2.6m in additional cap space cause you have to consider 2 more IR charges to add once we subtract JHS & MaxL out the equation.
That’s also not considering what we do with MaxC, our MLE and our FAs the summer of ‘24. It also doesn’t take into consideration which rookie picks of the 2024 & 2025 draft class we would retain on our books if they weren’t all dealt out by them.
Giannis would really have to want LA so bad, where he agrees to take a ridiculous paycut to have any type of leverage he could threaten Milwaukee with. It sounds like another fun story Rob concocted. Hey, but pass the koolaid fam!
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| My feeling still remains that we are more likely to get someone like Mitchell or LaVine as our next star then making a gigantic trade for Giannis |
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| LakerFan1987 wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | Next summer I can see the following Rui $17M, DLo $18.7M and Vando $13.4M totaling $49.1M
Looks who is making $48.8M ... Giannis
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For sure, they would move those pieces for Giannis. But I can't see Milwaukee do that without getting more draft assets/young players. Likely, you'd see DLO go to a 3rd team. And for sure you'd have to include the 2029 pick and JHS. Even then, I doubt Bucks would move Giannis for anything short of a hiest. |
I should have included plus one or two picks. Our ACE is Giannis, he can dictate where he goes since he's got a player option in 2025.
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The Bucks would want way more than "one or two picks."
Even if Giannis demands to be traded (and we'll see if that actually happens), his leverage to become a free agent is reduced because most of the teams he'd want to go to wouldn't be able to sign him outright.
If Giannis leaves, the Bucks are going into rebuilding mode. (And they would immediately have a ton of cap space). I'm not sure they would want DLO, Rui, and Vandy for $49 million -- they could probably find equal or better players in free agency. None of those three guys at those salary points are exactly bargains. So if they took those guys as trade ballast salary, it would be in order to get a ton of picks or young assets.
So I am not buying into the fantasy that we are going to land Giannis for a painless and cheap trade package. |
But one of those teams that could sign him outright are the Lakers. |
We could theoretically sign him in a couple of years if LeBron walks and we waive DLO. Not sure the guys we'd have left would be all that appealing to Giannis. But I have no way of knowing if Giannis has any interest in the Lakers to begin with.
In any case, I'm not holding my breath that the bucks are going to trade him to us for anywhere near as modest a package as you proposed. If it happens, great. I just don't see it though. |
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| LakerFan1987 wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | Next summer I can see the following Rui $17M, DLo $18.7M and Vando $13.4M totaling $49.1M
Looks who is making $48.8M ... Giannis
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For sure, they would move those pieces for Giannis. But I can't see Milwaukee do that without getting more draft assets/young players. Likely, you'd see DLO go to a 3rd team. And for sure you'd have to include the 2029 pick and JHS. Even then, I doubt Bucks would move Giannis for anything short of a hiest. |
I should have included plus one or two picks. Our ACE is Giannis, he can dictate where he goes since he's got a player option in 2025.
So Bucks can get something or nothing. Bucks can trade him and Giannis can tell the team that wants him, I'm not signing with you.
Look at the Portland situation w/Dame. It's the same thing that could happen w/Giannis. The beauty is Giannis can be an FA in 2025. |
You need more picks. We should have 2029, 2031, and one of 2024/2025 available through some finagling. But more importantly, you need at least one blue chip talent. Can't say that about any of those guys you included.
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| Lucky_Shot wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | I'm just going to say, Rob learned from the AD trade (no thanks to Magic throwing everyone into the deal and giving away leverage).
It will be different this time w/Giannis. |
That and in general, Rob has gotten a much better handle on asset management and the importance of team continuity since the Westbrook trade. Some learn the hard way and he did, but some never learn at all. So I’m glad to see this GM in particular is the former. |
You guys are living in another world if you think we can get Giannis without giving up the farm. I love this team but I would blow it up for Giannis, he is just that great, just like we had to blow it all up for AD. But we can worry about that in 2025 |
I wasn't talking about Giannis.  I couldn't care less for that discussion.
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | My feeling still remains that we are more likely to get someone like Mitchell or LaVine as our next star then making a gigantic trade for Giannis |
both garbage players who have not won anything. i mean if a fan sees it i bet Rob sees it too. |
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KD at age 34 yielded a number of picks and a few young starters, one of whom is a 20 ppg scoring wing.
While not everyone would pay up what the Suns did, I think Giannis is not going to be dealt for anything short of a significant price tag. Even at his age, he's going to get you a significant amount of draft capital in 2024.
I don't see how the Bucks would even look at a Lakers deal without Reaves, 2029 pick (unprotected), JHS (if he shows he's got some NBA level ability) to be starting blocks. Even then, I'd guess it would take more draft picks and draft swaps to get the deal even close to be something they would consider. Just having the salary isn't enough. For the Bucks, in a re-build, players like Vandy/Rui/DLO are useless. |
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Booker signed thru 2028
Beal signed thru 2027(PO)
KD signed thru 2026
Ayton signed thru 2026
Unprotected 1st round picks in '23, '25, '27, '29. Swap in '28.
2 role players, 3 picks that should be in the late 20s and a swap that probably won't convey. Not a hefty price when you break it down and that's with KD having 4 years on his deal at the time of the trade, which is why PHX had to fork over extra picks.
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | KD at age 34 yielded a number of picks and a few young starters, one of whom is a 20 ppg scoring wing.
While not everyone would pay up what the Suns did, I think Giannis is not going to be dealt for anything short of a significant price tag. Even at his age, he's going to get you a significant amount of draft capital in 2024.
I don't see how the Bucks would even look at a Lakers deal without Reaves, 2029 pick (unprotected), JHS (if he shows he's got some NBA level ability) to be starting blocks. Even then, I'd guess it would take more draft picks and draft swaps to get the deal even close to be something they would consider. Just having the salary isn't enough. For the Bucks, in a re-build, players like Vandy/Rui/DLO are useless. |
Bucks won't trade Giannis to the Lakers. They dealt Kareem to LA in 1975 and watched him win 5 rings, 3 MVPs and 13 All Star appearances.
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@wolf: Right…we don’t have nearly have the right amount of assets to get a deal done imho. Never say never, but I highly doubt we have enough to get a deal done before he can player opt out to become a FA in 2025.
Only if that happens do we even have a shot. You gotta purge whatever assets you have to offload salary to gain enough cap space to legitimately be a threat in signing Giannis outright in 2025.
AD 57.6m
Rui 18.3m
Reaves 13.9m
Vando 12m
Gabe 11.5m
JHS 4.1m
MaxL 2.2m
Giannis 57.6m
= 177.2m in team salary for 8 players and that would put us roughly 12.65m over the projected 164.56m salary cap.
If you want to etch out enough cap space without trading assets to offload salary onto another team, we can stretch waive Vando (who would have about 36m remaining on his deal over 3 years) and Gabe (who would be on an expiring 11.5m)….not pick up JHS’s team option & MaxL’s guarantee and now we’re looking at
AD 57.6m
Rui 18.3m
Reaves 13.9m
Vando dead cap hit 5.1m (over 7 years)
Gabe dead cap hit 3.3m (over 3 years)
9 IR charges 12.2m
= 54.1m in cap space, which is roughly 3.5m short of Giannis true 35% max
All the above is assuming we don’t have (or traded away) our 2024 & 2025 1st rounders, we didn’t use our MLE in the offseason of 2024 to sign a player longer than just a one year stopgap deal, didn’t retain any of our 2024 FAs like MaxC & Prince to longer than 1yr stopgap deals and signed our 2024/25 2nd round picks to rookie minimum deals which would be the equivalent to an IR charge, essentially replacing a couple of the 9 projected above.
You need to have the cap space necessary to threaten Milwaukee with and as of right now, we do not have it unless we proactively purge our assets & resources to get Giannis even on a modest haircut’d max deal.
And the way the Freak stays freaky, he’s gonna have plenty of mouths to feed no matter how much he claims he ain’t about the bag…
https://twitter.com/Giannis_An34/status/1703153315997978953
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | KD at age 34 yielded a number of picks and a few young starters, one of whom is a 20 ppg scoring wing.
While not everyone would pay up what the Suns did, I think Giannis is not going to be dealt for anything short of a significant price tag. Even at his age, he's going to get you a significant amount of draft capital in 2024.
I don't see how the Bucks would even look at a Lakers deal without Reaves, 2029 pick (unprotected), JHS (if he shows he's got some NBA level ability) to be starting blocks. Even then, I'd guess it would take more draft picks and draft swaps to get the deal even close to be something they would consider. Just having the salary isn't enough. For the Bucks, in a re-build, players like Vandy/Rui/DLO are useless. |
Bucks won't trade Giannis to the Lakers. They dealt Kareem to LA in 1975 and watched him win 5 rings, 3 MVPs and 13 All Star appearances. |
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Clippers will be moving to Inglewood in 2024 so they won't be in LA anymore. Giannis wants to play in LA. Not Inglewood.
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