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| kikanga wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's time for the Lakers to start building for LAL (Life After LeBron) Lakers fans are spoiled and want it now. I've been on the Buss since 1960 and am willing to wait a while. We have a good nucleus. I think we should build around it. |
I see your point.
But as long as we're paying Bron ~1/3 of our salary cap (the next 2 years at least). We have to factor building the roster around him. It's just how it goes. When AD proves he can be the go to guy on a championship team. An MVP level player. Things will change. Till then, it is what it is.
With the health and age concerns our big 2 have. We are in win now mode. |
That's the win now thinking I'm talking about. IMO we have a great nucleus. I think we should uild around it. Look at what we did last season with what we had. A tweak here, a tweak there and we will be scary. Done properly, building slowly in 2 3 years we could have a young team that could contend for years. AD is definitely key to long term contending. I say again, think LAL.
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| Megaton wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | Woj is on ESPN saying Celtics, 76ers, and Clippers are "moving quickly" to try and get Jrue.
Sigh. If true. I'm guessing 76ers land him. Send Harden to the Clippers. And Portland get some future first rounders from the Clips.
I'm kinda hoping thats the case. Don't want Boston getting Jrue. |
Boston getting Jrue would be awesome. He can stink it up and throw up his usual crap playoff performances there and send them home early. |
His shooting definitely dips in the playoffs. Not as bad as DLO. But it does dip.
But I'm looking at his last playoffs in NO. And I'm also looking at the playoff MIL teams stats with Bud as coach in general. And I'm not sure it will be the same story if he moves teams. Some of it. Not all of it. But some of it. Is on Bud. He's a 1 dimensional coach. And that stuff can catch up to you in the playoffs. |
Back in 2018? Yeah, and Westbrook was an MVP during that time. How did everything go wrong with a former mvp then here? 
And yeah, playoffs wise, Jrue is actually comparable to DLO in the playoffs. He had a worse TS% believe it or not this year. Shot 40% from the field and 28% from 3. Both worse than DLO. All of that while getting his ass handed to him on the other end against Jimmy Butler. A trump card that Jrue is supposed to be realigned on. Yet people here give crap about DLO here not handling Jamal Murray. And Bucks were the number 1 freaking seed.
Sorry (not sorry), but I ain’t interested in 33 year old chokers on this team. We already been rid of ourselves with one of them, we don’t need another.
Rob Pelinka unlike the chuckleheads here, actually have a plan now with acquiring younger talent while still winning now. No longer do we have a roster full of retirement home buddies trying to run up and down the court. |
Not all 33 year old players are the same Mega. You're being over the top here.
Jimmy Butler busts everyone's ass in the playoffs if he's healthy.
And on the DLO comparison I appreciate you cherry picking specifically just this last year playoff stats and ignoring PPG, steals, assists, reb, etc.
Who was Jrue's big man his last year in NO? Just wondering.
Actually, don't answer that. I'm not gonna go down this rabbit hole with you for a guy who isn't coming here.
I know going young has been a huge mantra of yours. I think I've seen you pissed off about the AD trade.
If it was realistic to grab Jrue. I'd debate you all day. But it's not worth it on this topic.
FWIW, I think Rob's done fine. And my biggest concerns for our roster isn't the role players.
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lakersfever714
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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Jrue is very tempting because I highly value defense. KCP was as useless as Jrue offensively during the playoffs but they always contribute with their consistent and elite defense.
I still don't know how we're gonna slow down all elite guards like Murray, Booker, Curry, and Morant. Having that "defensive specialist" is really good. I guess HIM will have to try and fill that role. I don't think DLo can stop anyone.
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Yea, yea, yea, list ALL of his past awesome accomplishments but you know what? It's in the PAST. It has nothing to do with what he will do in the future. We know he will be older and slower and less athletic.
This has happened time and time again with Westbrick and Harden. You do NOT pay a player based on his past accomplishments. You pay him based on what you think his future contribution could be.
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Whether it is regular season or playoffs. I think its uncontroversial to say Lillard > Jrue >> Smart/DLO
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | flasportsbuzz mentions the Lakers as 1 of the teams showing interest in Jrue, I hope we aren’t thinking about trading LeBron for Jrue and other pieces |
IG IG IG. Come on man. |
Bro.. look
https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1707399101489246434?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
It’s not saying we’re waiting until Dec to potentially make a offer it’s saying we are 1 of the teams showing interest |
Actually IG, I think that news aggregator misquoted BJax. I believe it’s Jrue’s camp that is interested in us.
| Quote: | Barry Jackson: League sources told the Miami Herald on Thursday that the Heat, Los Angeles Clippers, Los Angeles Lakers, Boston Celtics, Chicago Bulls and Philadelphia 76ers are destinations that appeal to Holiday. – via Miami Herald
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But as we know, we don’t hit the salary fodder to make it work right now.
Also it’s wild that folks don’t value Jrue’s true contributions towardsctgevdefensivevdude of the ball. If we going to focus strictly on these past playoffs, Giannis needs to look in the mirror at himself. Look up his dRAPTOR and it’s a crazy number. But even after seeing that, no one would say Giannis is washed and no longer a defensive presence. Same can be said about Jrue…JimmyB’s O was just that much more impressive.
If push comes to shove and Jrue still available in Dec, I’m pushing DLo, Gabe, JHS and some pick incentives to go get that man. If it comes down to Rui getting included as one of the key principles, I wound certainly have to consider it. Jrue is exactly the piece you build around AD with!
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| jodeke wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's time for the Lakers to start building for LAL (Life After LeBron) Lakers fans are spoiled and want it now. I've been on the Buss since 1960 and am willing to wait a while. We have a good nucleus. I think we should build around it. |
I see your point.
But as long as we're paying Bron ~1/3 of our salary cap (the next 2 years at least). We have to factor building the roster around him. It's just how it goes. When AD proves he can be the go to guy on a championship team. An MVP level player. Things will change. Till then, it is what it is.
With the health and age concerns our big 2 have. We are in win now mode. |
That's the win now thinking I'm talking about. IMO we have a great nucleus. I think we should uild around it. Look at what we did last season with what we had. A tweak here, a tweak there and we will be scary. Done properly, building slowly in 2 3 years we could have a young team that could contend for years. AD is definitely key to long term contending. I say again, think LAL. |
Only AD will be on the “wrong side of 30” when Lebron leaves. Obviously the team will need at least one star player but getting that player will probably be problematic. Go for the wins now with some youth that you can maybe trade one day for a star player.
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I'm gonna panic if Boston gets him. He has the championship credentials that will get Tatum and Brown to that winning level. He'll also hold them accountable for their defensive lapses.
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| Megaton wrote: | | Trevacious2 wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | | What happened the last time we traded for a big name 33 year old PG? |
A lesson that should be well-learnt by now. You just Don't do it! Time for somebody else to learn the hard way. |
Yeah because Lillard and Westbrook are totally the same players. |
Keep up - we were discussing Jrue.
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | Trevacious2 wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | | What happened the last time we traded for a big name 33 year old PG? |
A lesson that should be well-learnt by now. You just Don't do it! Time for somebody else to learn the hard way. |
Yeah because Lillard and Westbrook are totally the same players. |
Keep up - we were discussing Jrue. |
So if I'm following it correctly Jrue = Westbrook because 33.
But Lillard doesn't = Jrue because 33.
This convo is bad. People should just cherrypick stats to make their points. It's an oversimplification. But this 33 year old argument is next level bad. Especially considering (1) our last finals MVP was 35 (2) we won the chip largely because we traded a ton of young players to get it, and (3) our 3rd best player was a 33 year old PG.
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| Didn’t Lebron come here when he was 33? He’s also a point guard. |
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | Didn’t Lebron come here when he was 33? He’s also a point guard. |
He was 35 when he got here. |
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Is anyone worse than Chris Haynes?
We get it dude. It's your job to make Dame look like an angel.
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| King Randle wrote: | | JUST-MING wrote: | | Didn’t Lebron come here when he was 33? He’s also a point guard. |
He was 35 when he got here. |
That don't add up... turning 39 and will be playing his 6th season. He came here at 33 right before he turned 34. |
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | Didn’t Lebron come here when he was 33? He’s also a point guard. |
As stated before, Lebron is the only exception to the rule.
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Each player is different. And, there are different levels of decline. Westbrook has already hit a severe decline at an earlier age. LeBron has seen a smaller level of decline at 38.
Just from what I remember since i've watched the NBA, 33 feels like a good year to anticipate players starting to decline.
I worry that the Bucks have 3 players they're rolling the dice on. Lillard, Middleton, and Lopez are all around that age. Those are their 2, 3, and 4th most important players. |
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | flasportsbuzz mentions the Lakers as 1 of the teams showing interest in Jrue, I hope we aren’t thinking about trading LeBron for Jrue and other pieces |
IG IG IG. Come on man. |
Bro.. look
https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1707399101489246434?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
It’s not saying we’re waiting until Dec to potentially make a offer it’s saying we are 1 of the teams showing interest |
Actually IG, I think that news aggregator misquoted BJax. I believe it’s Jrue’s camp that is interested in us.
| Quote: | Barry Jackson: League sources told the Miami Herald on Thursday that the Heat, Los Angeles Clippers, Los Angeles Lakers, Boston Celtics, Chicago Bulls and Philadelphia 76ers are destinations that appeal to Holiday. – via Miami Herald
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But as we know, we don’t hit the salary fodder to make it work right now.
Also it’s wild that folks don’t value Jrue’s true contributions towardsctgevdefensivevdude of the ball. If we going to focus strictly on these past playoffs, Giannis needs to look in the mirror at himself. Look up his dRAPTOR and it’s a crazy number. But even after seeing that, no one would say Giannis is washed and no longer a defensive presence. Same can be said about Jrue…JimmyB’s O was just that much more impressive.
If push comes to shove and Jrue still available in Dec, I’m pushing DLo, Gabe, JHS and some pick incentives to go get that man. If it comes down to Rui getting included as one of the key principles, I wound certainly have to consider it. Jrue is exactly the piece you build around AD with! |
I agree with everything except I see Jrue as that last piece for the Bron/AD pairing and not so much a piece you build alongside AD. He's a bit old for that IMO. We have enough forward depth where I think I'd be fine parting with Rui as well. If Rui plays well this year though I'm not including any valuable picks or JHS in that package without getting another rotation player back.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Japago wrote: | Each player is different. And, there are different levels of decline. Westbrook has already hit a severe decline at an earlier age. LeBron has seen a smaller level of decline at 38.
Just from what I remember since i've watched the NBA, 33 feels like a good year to anticipate players starting to decline.
I worry that the Bucks have 3 players they're rolling the dice on. Lillard, Middleton, and Lopez are all around that age. Those are their 2, 3, and 4th most important players. |
Middleton and Lopez for sure, but I think Lillard is going to be great for a few more years. You look at the reasons Steph Curry is still going strong at 35 and those same reasons apply to Lillard. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2023 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | flasportsbuzz mentions the Lakers as 1 of the teams showing interest in Jrue, I hope we aren’t thinking about trading LeBron for Jrue and other pieces |
IG IG IG. Come on man. |
Bro.. look
https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1707399101489246434?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
It’s not saying we’re waiting until Dec to potentially make a offer it’s saying we are 1 of the teams showing interest |
Bro... And how do you land on "Lakers thinking about trading LeBron for Jrue" based on that tweet? Don't you realize how asanine that is? |
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My man... you need to learn to have a conversation without insulting people all the time. I know you think you are the smartest guy on LG, but you can still be polite. |
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| defense wrote: | | My man... you need to learn to have a conversation without insulting people all the time. I know you think you are the smartest guy on LG, but you can still be polite. |
It's his schtick. The mods have been letting it go. Frankly, it's gotten to the point where it's just noise.
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| gng930 wrote: | | I agree with everything except I see Jrue as that last piece for the Bron/AD pairing and not so much a piece you build alongside AD. He's a bit old for that IMO. We have enough forward depth where I think I'd be fine parting with Rui as well. If Rui plays well this year though I'm not including any valuable picks or JHS in that package without getting another rotation player back. |
Yep. Holiday would be a short-term play. The problem is that $36M contract. We'd need to give up important pieces for a short-term play with Holiday. We would end up with a roster built around three guys who are aging and/or prone to injury. Holiday's game has actually been quite good in the playoffs as measured by RAPTOR, though his three-point shooting hasn't been good. I don't put as much weight on playoff performances as some people do, given the small sample size and the resulting variability of the results.
On balance, I'd be all for it if we had the salary ballast to make it work. But we don't. I doubt that the Blazers would have any interest in Russell or Hachimura, and we don't have a big pot of draft capital to make it work. The Blazers would probably want Reaves, and that doesn't sound like an appealing deal.
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Type of deals that would work from the Lakers once players are able to be traded
DLO+Rui
Rui+Gabe+JHS or Prince
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| kikanga wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | Trevacious2 wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | | What happened the last time we traded for a big name 33 year old PG? |
A lesson that should be well-learnt by now. You just Don't do it! Time for somebody else to learn the hard way. |
Yeah because Lillard and Westbrook are totally the same players. |
Keep up - we were discussing Jrue. |
So if I'm following it correctly Jrue = Westbrook because 33.
But Lillard doesn't = Jrue because 33.
This convo is bad. People should just cherrypick stats to make their points. It's an oversimplification. But this 33 year old argument is next level bad. Especially considering (1) our last finals MVP was 35 (2) we won the chip largely because we traded a ton of young players to get it, and (3) our 3rd best player was a 33 year old PG. |
We didn't (and cannot) trade for Dame, so he isn't a part of this discussion. In the matter of trading for Jrue comparing to trading for WB:
We gave up KCP, Montrezl Harrell, Kyle Kuzma & Isaiah Jackson for WB - and it was an unmitigated failure.
Trading DLo, Rui + X for Jrue, IMO, will be a similar failure.
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