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rock0100
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Jrue is good, but I’m not good with trading DLo and Rui plus a potential pick.
We could probably get equal or greater talent than Jrue for that package, but also years younger. |
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| rock0100 wrote: | Jrue is good, but I’m not good with trading DLo and Rui plus a potential pick.
We could probably get equal or greater talent than Jrue for that package, but also years younger. |
Agree, so glad the Lakers can’t trade until Dec 15th so they’re forced to see what they already have before chasing the shiny new toy. It’s past the time of continually collecting players and now (has been) actually try to start to build a team.
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King Randle
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| rock0100 wrote: | Jrue is good, but I’m not good with trading DLo and Rui plus a potential pick.
We could probably get equal or greater talent than Jrue for that package, but also years younger. |
Agreed. Jrue is nice but not worth DLO and Rui. IMO Jrue ends up in Boston or Philly and Harden with the Clips. |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Gotta give Bucks front office credit, Giannis said he not signing extension and they give him one hell of an incentive within 3 weeks |
They're forced into making a bad trade in order to appease Giannis. They will regret their mistake later. |
If you're the Bucks, you make that trade 10 out of 10 times with no regrets.
Giannis was hinting at leaving your small market team. He is a two time MVP who brought your team it's first title since having Lew Alcindor (!) and Oscar.
If he leaves, you are likely to be irrelevant for the next 10 years.
You do whatever you can to convince him to stay and this is pretty ideal move for them.
Shoot, Giannis himself picked Dame over Jrue for his all-star team. |
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governator
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | Quietly expecting the Microsoft connection between Ballmer and the Allen family to lead to Jrue ending up in LA. The Clippers will give up the draft capital and otherwise also have the expiring deals.
The only wildcard is if some other contender is willing to overpay. |
So RoCo Powell part deux, ugh
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King Randle
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“The Lakers are planning to manage James’ minutes and offensive workload more than in years past, and [general manager Rob] Pelinka cited the team’s depth as a way to do that,” wrote Jovan Buha of The Athletic.
A lot of us talked about this. It was obvious. IMO he’ll be playing 28-30 minutes and probably ramp it up a month before the playoffs. Not surpassing 35 minutes. |
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I think I'm a bigger DLo fan than many on here.
I'm not saying DLo is better than Jrue, who I really like, but I think DLo is the right player for this team and I'd be very reluctant to trade him.
He seems to have a good head on his shoulders, puts in the time, and I think he's going to have amazing years for the Lakers.
I wouldn't trade him (and definitely not with Rui attached) for Jrue. |
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| governator wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | Quietly expecting the Microsoft connection between Ballmer and the Allen family to lead to Jrue ending up in LA. The Clippers will give up the draft capital and otherwise also have the expiring deals.
The only wildcard is if some other contender is willing to overpay. |
So RoCo Powell part deux, ugh |
I was going to mention Neil Olshey (former Clippers GM became Blazers GM), but he was fired two years ago. |
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| CamReddish wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | I am with you gng930, the Prince signing was my favorite part of the offseason. He gives them a real 3 point shooter. If they could only trade for Buddy to go with him. |
Lmao. You were talking (bleep) about Buddy last offseason. You are a weird individual |
It’s a different team with different needs.
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levon
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| King Randle wrote: | “The Lakers are planning to manage James’ minutes and offensive workload more than in years past, and [general manager Rob] Pelinka cited the team’s depth as a way to do that,” wrote Jovan Buha of The Athletic.
A lot of us talked about this. It was obvious. IMO he’ll be playing 28-30 minutes and probably ramp it up a month before the playoffs. Not surpassing 35 minutes. |
I can't see LeBron ever playing 28 minutes, frankly. He's going to play a minimum of 33. 33 was the 20-21 season, 34 the title season. |
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King Randle
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| levon wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | “The Lakers are planning to manage James’ minutes and offensive workload more than in years past, and [general manager Rob] Pelinka cited the team’s depth as a way to do that,” wrote Jovan Buha of The Athletic.
A lot of us talked about this. It was obvious. IMO he’ll be playing 28-30 minutes and probably ramp it up a month before the playoffs. Not surpassing 35 minutes. |
I can't see LeBron ever playing 28 minutes, frankly. He's going to play a minimum of 33. 33 was the 20-21 season, 34 the title season. |
He’s older and more miles and injuries. I think that’s too high…but we’ll see |
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| rock0100 wrote: | Jrue is good, but I’m not good with trading DLo and Rui plus a potential pick.
We could probably get equal or greater talent than Jrue for that package, but also years younger. |
I absolutely love the idea of Jrue on his team, and also wouldn’t give up that package. Players with Rui’s size, skill and athleticism don’t grow on trees. And Russell, for his (sometimes overstated) defensive liabilities, is a very productive player.
Jrue will also cost a lot to retain this summer, which presents its own opportunity costs.
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West is too deep. I don't think we have the luxury of resting Bron too much. Even aiming for a .500 record would be hard without Bron. Does anyone have the Lakers record with and without Lebron since he joined?
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King Randle
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| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2023 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | West is too deep. I don't think we have the luxury of resting Bron too much. Even aiming for a .500 record would be hard without Bron. Does anyone have the Lakers record with and without Lebron since he joined? |
Really? I guess you forgot we went 18-8 without Bron last year after the trade while trying to get into the playoffs. And this team is superior to last years team. We can easily get 50 wins with Bron playing 30 minutes a game IMO. |
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| King Randle wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | West is too deep. I don't think we have the luxury of resting Bron too much. Even aiming for a .500 record would be hard without Bron. Does anyone have the Lakers record with and without Lebron since he joined? |
Really? I guess you forgot we went 18-8 without Bron last year after the trade while trying to get into the playoffs. And this team is superior to last years team. We can easily get 50 wins with Bron playing 30 minutes a game IMO. |
That was also without Dangelo for half of those games and Anthony resting on back to backs. |
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| King Randle wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | West is too deep. I don't think we have the luxury of resting Bron too much. Even aiming for a .500 record would be hard without Bron. Does anyone have the Lakers record with and without Lebron since he joined? |
Really? I guess you forgot we went 18-8 without Bron last year after the trade while trying to get into the playoffs. And this team is superior to last years team. We can easily get 50 wins with Bron playing 30 minutes a game IMO. |
It’s doubtful that they have as easy of a schedule as they had the end of last season.
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King Randle
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | West is too deep. I don't think we have the luxury of resting Bron too much. Even aiming for a .500 record would be hard without Bron. Does anyone have the Lakers record with and without Lebron since he joined? |
Really? I guess you forgot we went 18-8 without Bron last year after the trade while trying to get into the playoffs. And this team is superior to last years team. We can easily get 50 wins with Bron playing 30 minutes a game IMO. |
It’s doubtful that they have as easy of a schedule as they had the end of last season. |
Maybe…but it’s a much better team that can handle it. |
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| King Randle wrote: | “The Lakers are planning to manage James’ minutes and offensive workload more than in years past, and [general manager Rob] Pelinka cited the team’s depth as a way to do that,” wrote Jovan Buha of The Athletic.
A lot of us talked about this. It was obvious. IMO he’ll be playing 28-30 minutes and probably ramp it up a month before the playoffs. Not surpassing 35 minutes. |
I believe it was Kobe who talked about how much it takes mentally and physically to get ready to play a game. No matter if you play 15 minutes or 35 minutes, that preparation doesn’t change. If you want to rest Lebron then sit him for some games instead. I guarantee you that in games that are tightly contested Ham will play Lebron as many minutes as it takes, no matter what the FO says. He isn’t going to take losses to hold Lebron to a minutes count.
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If I’m Portland, I like the idea of Lowry being a vet mentor to Scoot. If you can grab him and maybe Jacques and a 1st, that’s a pretty good outcome. Good outcome for Holiday too, who would fit with the Heat better than Dame would have.
Similar scenario in a Boston deal, if they could get Horford included as a mentor for Ayton. In that scenario would be super interested in being a suitor for Al at the deadline to sew up our defensive big rotation (he can space too).
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | If I’m Portland, I like the idea of Lowry being a vet mentor to Scoot. If you can grab him and maybe Jacques and a 1st, that’s a pretty good outcome. Good outcome for Holiday too, who would fit with the Heat better than Dame would have.
Similar scenario in a Boston deal, if they could get Horford included as a mentor for Ayton. In that scenario would be super interested in being a suitor for Al at the deadline to sew up our defensive big rotation (he can space too). |
If I'm Portland, I get Scoot a mentor who doesn't cost $30 million dollars.
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| King Randle wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | West is too deep. I don't think we have the luxury of resting Bron too much. Even aiming for a .500 record would be hard without Bron. Does anyone have the Lakers record with and without Lebron since he joined? |
Really? I guess you forgot we went 18-8 without Bron last year after the trade while trying to get into the playoffs. And this team is superior to last years team. We can easily get 50 wins with Bron playing 30 minutes a game IMO. |
I'm not sure where you got that W-L record. The Westbrook trade was on February 9. Lebron missed 15 games after that. We went 9-6. That's still good, though it was a relatively soft schedule.
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | If I’m Portland, I like the idea of Lowry being a vet mentor to Scoot. If you can grab him and maybe Jacques and a 1st, that’s a pretty good outcome. Good outcome for Holiday too, who would fit with the Heat better than Dame would have.
Similar scenario in a Boston deal, if they could get Horford included as a mentor for Ayton. In that scenario would be super interested in being a suitor for Al at the deadline to sew up our defensive big rotation (he can space too). |
If I'm Portland, I get Scoot a mentor who doesn't cost $30 million dollars. |
Fair point. But if Lowry is just the salary ballast in a deal meant to net other assets, Lowry serving a meaningful purpose, that's a real benefit. Noting that Billups and Lowry took in a college football game together, it wouldn't surprise me if Chauncey would see that as the trifecta (Former PG coach, PG vet, PG incoming star).
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | “The Lakers are planning to manage James’ minutes and offensive workload more than in years past, and [general manager Rob] Pelinka cited the team’s depth as a way to do that,” wrote Jovan Buha of The Athletic.
A lot of us talked about this. It was obvious. IMO he’ll be playing 28-30 minutes and probably ramp it up a month before the playoffs. Not surpassing 35 minutes. |
I believe it was Kobe who talked about how much it takes mentally and physically to get ready to play a game. No matter if you play 15 minutes or 35 minutes, that preparation doesn’t change. If you want to rest Lebron then sit him for some games instead. I guarantee you that in games that are tightly contested Ham will play Lebron as many minutes as it takes, no matter what the FO says. He isn’t going to take losses to hold Lebron to a minutes count. |
Don't recall if Kobe said that (probably did), but I do recall James saying that on numerous occasions. I jive more with the reduced minutes over the longer run/season being better than sitting players for games. If you blend the two, sitting during something like 4-in-5, or b2b, sure.
Building your rotation to keep LeBron's minutes in the low 30's probably means subbing him out earlier in the 1st and 3rd. That doesn't tie Darvin's hands in a tight game down the stretch. James is pretty stat conscious, which would take a hit with less minutes. But with the 65 game threshold for league awards, maybe that becomes more of an interesting target.
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Hmm. I guess his defense fell off a cliff last season, although Dallas was a dumpster fire on that end as a whole. I don't think we'd consider him, as our rotation looks crowded as it is, and I really think we'd rather develop Christie and give him minutes anyway. Still, contenders will look at him.
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| ChickenStu wrote: | Hmm. I guess his defense fell off a cliff last season, although Dallas was a dumpster fire on that end as a whole. I don't think we'd consider him, as our rotation looks crowded as it is, and I really think we'd rather develop Christie and give him minutes anyway. Still, contenders will look at him.
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