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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:45 pm    Post subject:

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Lakers should sign lebron to multi year and give him a farewell tour like Kobe

$$$ would pour in for Jeanie


Please STOP. It wasnt good when kobe got it AND HE DESERVED IT MORE....and it def not good now....

I really cant understand why you got pom poms for this when the only person that wins in the Owner while the fans suffer..smh.

No moves can be made
THA KANG will def start crying
You wasting AD's time
You not giving the fans anything to root for paing those high price
seats..smh.


A lot of the things you said are subjective... Fans don't seem to mind paying for those high price seats just to watch Lebron play as you can see at each home game.

We're all a small portion of the pie as fans. I assume fans that feels the same as you do is even smaller in the grand scheme of things.



subjective blah blah...the past determine the future...when it was done for Kobe it was seen as STILL NOT A GOOD MOVE..because you couldnt make any moves to improve to actually get a chip. MANY people were upset and thats when you had low lights ie "people doing other things". Go back and see how the teams were assembled and tell me the teams you see that were built to win a chip? Kobe became upset telling mitch that players werent even good enough for practice...smh. However what could mitch do if one player taking up the whoile cap?

Matter of fact its showing right now....we barely able to make the play-in...that basically the saving grace as Kobe had no "play-in"....we barely holding play-in status. YOU DONT SEE THIS?..REALLY?

West also said its best to trade a player one year earlier than to try to deal with them one year too late...smh.


Sooner you understand NBA is a business, the sooner you will understand why Jeanie would not trade Lebron unless he demands it.

So the same FO that you are blaming for their incompetence and poor roster construction during Kobe’s remaining years. Are the same FO you are trusting to somehow rebuild another title contender without another generational player walking through that door? Makes no sense.


You not looking around are you? Why do you think the cba came out...THEY PUTTING A STOP TO ALL THAT PAY FOR ALL STAR STUFF....they want you to build your teams home grown via draft. Yes its a business..but if you STOP WINNING in LA?..people STOP LOOKING AND PAYING FOR SEATS....so go business that. Yes you got TV deals ..but the more you sink..the less fans going to come out and pay for those seats and thats facts.
People stayed looking at the last years of Kobe because what he did for the team and organization..thats very different than what you have now.


Dude you’re all over the place and now bringing up the new cba… Look around where? Why look around when everyone knows the issue starts on top? Jeanie dont have no ther plans outside of Lebron. Lakers always been about the next star coming. That how they fill those seats.


READ..the cba is trying its best to prevent that stuff. It looking for you to build via draft why do you think GMs were hurrying this summer to lock down what they could as some say PHX is the last of the super teams? AND they paying highly for that team they have built..why are they paying so hard?
1 apron? 2nd apron? what do you think these things in the cba are for? Im not all over the place you just refuse to understand.


How is the new CBA preventing superteams from forming?

New cba is not preventing stars from coming or superteams from forming. As long the teams can afford or willing to pay those taxes. It's always been about working around those numbers or aprons and staying under to avoid taxes... Didn't stop the Clippers from forming it and they got Harden.


...wha?...what? PG and Kawahi formed before the new cba came out. Harden came via trade..they had to get rid of pieces to get Harden. WB came via trade. When these guys become time to resign for any team it will be hard and to put people around them will be harder..why because of the tax..Do you think teams got Balmer money? Heck even Balmer didnt auto sign PG and Kawahii extension as they havent produced..thats why they not load mangeing to much as their money is on the line.

Like you said Surrrre any team can form a super team...But here is the question..Who got Balmer money to pay the taxes? Ill wait


Luxury taxes paid, are written off as a business expense.
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Kobe’s expiring contract ($25 million) opened up the cap space to sign free agents Timofy Mozgov ($16 million) and Luol Deng ($18 million).


See the part of nobody wanted to come here money was there yeah ..but were you wining anything at that time? no.

Under Donald Sterling the Clippers had money..Did you see anybody wanting to come there? Nope..cheap owner but if they were winning and players could get paid they would have came. Instance? Elton Brand tried to pull the clippers up but he couldnt do it and the owner wasnt even in the business of winning. Brand and Baron Davis could have went anywhere but...smh..you had him as a owner at t he time instead of Balmer..smh..actually funny and sad. Kaman/Webber/Davis prob every top draftee they let walk


You guys are basically arguing the Lakers wouldn't get anyone good anyway if they let Lebron go. You have no good arguments for letting him walk. You simply don't like him and want him off the team, but you can't say that becaues you know agenda driven that sounds.


That's basically summarize all the essay he's trying to write thinking he's being knowledgeable.



I know im more knowlegable than you,,,you think those taxes and aprons are just there for decoration..smh...unbelievable.. You really think they made caps and aprons ...just for teams' lawyers just to have something to do.
Teams locking up players especially this summer was just because..ok.
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Kobe’s expiring contract ($25 million) opened up the cap space to sign free agents Timofy Mozgov ($16 million) and Luol Deng ($18 million).


See the part of nobody wanted to come here money was there yeah ..but were you wining anything at that time? no.

Under Donald Sterling the Clippers had money..Did you see anybody wanting to come there? Nope..cheap owner but if they were winning and players could get paid they would have came. Instance? Elton Brand tried to pull the clippers up but he couldnt do it and the owner wasnt even in the business of winning. Brand and Baron Davis could have went anywhere but...smh..you had him as a owner at t he time instead of Balmer..smh..actually funny and sad. Kaman/Webber/Davis prob every top draftee they let walk


You guys are basically arguing the Lakers wouldn't get anyone good anyway if they let Lebron go. You have no good arguments for letting him walk. You simply don't like him and want him off the team, but you can't say that becaues you know agenda driven that sounds.


Ohh yeah sure you right on i hate THA KANG...i hate how he deals away players and blames others instead of himself or the way he plays and wants to force management to give him the world by emtying the org's assets and majority for Klutch clients. Players or coaches it doesnt matter to him. HOWEVER I liked Kobe and it was EVAN A BAD decision when we gave that contract to him.. So how i feel about him has no weight on the reason he needs to go or take a cut or whatever inorder for us to get quality players. Pretending to be blind to history and its results is a recipe for disaster for a organization. Basically what you see now is what you agreeing to have for another 3 years. Is this a Chip contending team to you?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 5:31 pm    Post subject:

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Kobe’s expiring contract ($25 million) opened up the cap space to sign free agents Timofy Mozgov ($16 million) and Luol Deng ($18 million).


See the part of nobody wanted to come here money was there yeah ..but were you wining anything at that time? no.

Under Donald Sterling the Clippers had money..Did you see anybody wanting to come there? Nope..cheap owner but if they were winning and players could get paid they would have came. Instance? Elton Brand tried to pull the clippers up but he couldnt do it and the owner wasnt even in the business of winning. Brand and Baron Davis could have went anywhere but...smh..you had him as a owner at t he time instead of Balmer..smh..actually funny and sad. Kaman/Webber/Davis prob every top draftee they let walk


You guys are basically arguing the Lakers wouldn't get anyone good anyway if they let Lebron go. You have no good arguments for letting him walk. You simply don't like him and want him off the team, but you can't say that becaues you know agenda driven that sounds.


Ohh yeah sure you right on i hate THA KANG...i hate how he deals away players and blames others instead of himself or the way he plays and wants to force management to give him the world by emtying the org's assets and majority for Klutch clients. Players or coaches it doesnt matter to him. HOWEVER I liked Kobe and it was EVAN A BAD decision when we gave that contract to him.. So how i feel about him has no weight on the reason he needs to go or take a cut or whatever inorder for us to get quality players. Pretending to be blind to history and its results is a recipe for disaster for a organization. Basically what you see now is what you agreeing to have for another 3 years. Is this a Chip contending team to you?


You make the same contrarian points over and over again. Like these things haven’t been mentioned a thousand times.

Go ahead and tell us your summer plan as GM where you have let Lebron walk.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 6:36 pm    Post subject:

Watching Rui D up Joker, freeing up free safety AD… maybe we do need that true beefy 7 footers, a Plumlee or a S.Adams
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 6:49 pm    Post subject:

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Watching Rui D up Joker, freeing up free safety AD… maybe we do need that true beefy 7 footers, a Plumlee or a S.Adams




Maybe?
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Watching Rui D up Joker, freeing up free safety AD… maybe we do need that true beefy 7 footers, a Plumlee or a S.Adams


2 non-shooters on the floor🤢
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 7:27 pm    Post subject:

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miggz23 wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
JustaObserver wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Kobe’s expiring contract ($25 million) opened up the cap space to sign free agents Timofy Mozgov ($16 million) and Luol Deng ($18 million).


See the part of nobody wanted to come here money was there yeah ..but were you wining anything at that time? no.

Under Donald Sterling the Clippers had money..Did you see anybody wanting to come there? Nope..cheap owner but if they were winning and players could get paid they would have came. Instance? Elton Brand tried to pull the clippers up but he couldnt do it and the owner wasnt even in the business of winning. Brand and Baron Davis could have went anywhere but...smh..you had him as a owner at t he time instead of Balmer..smh..actually funny and sad. Kaman/Webber/Davis prob every top draftee they let walk


You guys are basically arguing the Lakers wouldn't get anyone good anyway if they let Lebron go. You have no good arguments for letting him walk. You simply don't like him and want him off the team, but you can't say that becaues you know agenda driven that sounds.


That's basically summarize all the essay he's trying to write thinking he's being knowledgeable.



I know im more knowlegable than you,,,you think those taxes and aprons are just there for decoration..smh...unbelievable.. You really think they made caps and aprons ...just for teams' lawyers just to have something to do.
Teams locking up players especially this summer was just because..ok.


Sure buddy… Yea judging by how you responded. I doubt it.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 8:31 pm    Post subject:

I'm just waiting for the next steps at this point when it comes to the Lakers' future. We're 4 months away from that? Whether the Lakers land a star, settle for a lesser player, or completely go towards a full-rebuild, at least SOMETHING will happen at that point.

This team isn't it. It was clear in the WCF, and nothing has changed since then.

This team has just been woefully mismanaged since the 2020 championship. The last 3 years since the 2021 playoffs have been a waste of time.

When LeBron signed, you expected it to be a short-term run because of LeBron's age. But, it hurts when the Lakers are this bad while LeBron and AD are still playing at a high level AND have played the vast majority of the games.

Just a complete failure by this front office in getting the right roster and coaching around them.

I wish the Lakers' would have consistently good management FOR ONCE. Even Kupchak was really poor at times. People know of the mistakes at the end, but remember that he also wasted 3 years of Kobe's prime.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 8:33 pm    Post subject:

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Watching Rui D up Joker, freeing up free safety AD… maybe we do need that true beefy 7 footers, a Plumlee or a S.Adams


Then you force Lebron to guard SFs and that isn’t good.
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Watching Rui D up Joker, freeing up free safety AD… maybe we do need that true beefy 7 footers, a Plumlee or a S.Adams


Then you force Lebron to guard SFs and that isn’t good.


It’s a pretty Denver specific match up, which I think every western team will have to go thru. Joker continue to park himself in the paint and gobble up or tips offensive rebounds
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Question for the people saying you don't trade LeBron out of loyalty and future star perception etc etc

If the Cavs would have offered Mobley/Garland for LeBron+(Prince/vincent etc), you all would have turned it down? (Cavs wouldnt have of course but just for conversation)

2 young clear cut building blocks for a 39 year old on a 10 seed?
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Question for the people saying you don't trade LeBron out of loyalty and future star perception etc etc

If the Cavs would have offered Mobley/Garland for LeBron+(Prince/vincent etc), you all would have turned it down? (Cavs wouldnt have of course but just for conversation)

2 young clear cut building blocks for a 39 year old on a 10 seed?


In a heartbeat. I think we made a huge mistake not engaging with him about a move at the deadline whether it was with GSW or someone else. They’re going to regret not getting value for him while he still has it. Instead they’ll continue to pay him $50M for us to hover around .500 if we’re lucky and hope he retires here so we can throw another celebration during a loss.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 2:20 pm    Post subject:

^^ emphasis on during a loss. The Lakers are a multi billion dollar company with or without LeBron. I wish they would value the assets more than a LeBron legacy tour and the revenue that would come from it.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 2:23 pm    Post subject:

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Question for the people saying you don't trade LeBron out of loyalty and future star perception etc etc

If the Cavs would have offered Mobley/Garland for LeBron+(Prince/vincent etc), you all would have turned it down? (Cavs wouldnt have of course but just for conversation)

2 young clear cut building blocks for a 39 year old on a 10 seed?

100% turn down!!!

Laker championships are built on the backs of all-time legends on the court. When the era of one expires, you focus on getting the next one. Don't trade down for players who are merely very good. I explained why a few pages ago.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 2:36 pm    Post subject:

dcarter4kobe wrote:
Question for the people saying you don't trade LeBron out of loyalty and future star perception etc etc

If the Cavs would have offered Mobley/Garland for LeBron+(Prince/vincent etc), you all would have turned it down? (Cavs wouldnt have of course but just for conversation)

2 young clear cut building blocks for a 39 year old on a 10 seed?


nobody is trading those 2 pieces for a 39year old on a 10th seed.

nobody in that ownership or FO has the guts to trade Lebron unless he comes and specifically asks for it.

Lakers on their own will never trade lebron...I mean Jeanie gave Kobe max after the Achilles tear...

i dont care if its right or wrong but i dont see lakers trading him on their own
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 2:36 pm    Post subject:

I think the Lakers would have traded Bron if he had said he was open to the idea. They are just trying to get out without making themselves or LBJ look bad at this point.

To me the natural thing is to play through his option year and just politely decline to pay three years at 180.

The sticky thing is if he is willing to take less... like 3 for 150 or 120.

150 million years would still probably be too much for years 41 through 43.

Even 120 million is a risk.

Jeanie is probably sh*tting bricks at the idea of competing with a relevant Clippers team at the Intuit Dome, but signing an old player no matter how great he is for 40, 50 million, let alone 60 million is not going to help.

We are talking two years older than Michael Jordan's final year at Washington.

Now Bron is shooting extremely well, he's a lot bigger than Michael so I think he can still average 20 a game. But I don't want to pay 40 to 60 million a year for someone who scores 20 and only plays defense in spurts.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 2:40 pm    Post subject:

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Question for the people saying you don't trade LeBron out of loyalty and future star perception etc etc

If the Cavs would have offered Mobley/Garland for LeBron+(Prince/vincent etc), you all would have turned it down? (Cavs wouldnt have of course but just for conversation)

2 young clear cut building blocks for a 39 year old on a 10 seed?

100% turn down!!!

Laker championships are built on the backs of all-time legends on the court. When the era of one expires, you focus on getting the next one. Don't trade down for players who are merely very good. I explained why a few pages ago.


Lakers dont have garbage Danny Ainge mentality.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 2:57 pm    Post subject:

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Question for the people saying you don't trade LeBron out of loyalty and future star perception etc etc

If the Cavs would have offered Mobley/Garland for LeBron+(Prince/vincent etc), you all would have turned it down? (Cavs wouldnt have of course but just for conversation)

2 young clear cut building blocks for a 39 year old on a 10 seed?

100% turn down!!!

Laker championships are built on the backs of all-time legends on the court. When the era of one expires, you focus on getting the next one. Don't trade down for players who are merely very good. I explained why a few pages ago.


Lakers dont have garbage Danny Ainge mentality.

That garbage Ainge mentality opened the Celtics window to contend for 5-8 years. (please don't make me give credit to anything Boston related)
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 3:15 pm    Post subject:

What would you give up for LaMelo Ball if he asked out this summer?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 3:41 pm    Post subject:

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What would you give up for LaMelo Ball if he asked out this summer?


Nothing.

Oft injured, corny, non serious person who loves the shine and fame more than basketball.

And this isn't even a remote possibility but I hate Lamelo so much I'm willing to entertain your trade drama fantasy on this one.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 3:55 pm    Post subject:

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^^ emphasis on during a loss. The Lakers are a multi billion dollar company with or without LeBron. I wish they would value the assets more than a LeBron legacy tour and the revenue that would come from it.


The Lakers are masters at maximizing revenue - the only teams that make more are teams that own their own buildings.

Be grateful - they understand that the best way to generate $$$ is winning. They haven't done much of it - but they've won a title in the last decade while the teams/owners that they are constantly measured against haven't.

- Heat/Riles/Spoelstra (2013)
- Mavs/Cuban/Carlisle* (2011 - yes, Rick is gone but labeled a genius on LG)
- Celtics/Ainge*/Stevens*/Doc* (2008)
- Spurs/Pop (2014) - that MFer Pop mastered how to tank strategically.
- Clippers/Ballmer/Frank

And of the teams that have won in the past decade:

- GSW (aren't any better than the Lakers)
- Bucks (fired two head coaches and limping under Doc rn)
- Raptors - (awful)
- Cavs (competing)
- Nuggets (looking very strong)

The two that are doing well (Cavs/Nuggets) have owners that pre-dated Dr. Buss' retirement in 2007, so it's not like they're using some new fangled analytics (bleep). The Nuggets got lucky with Jokic in the 2nd Round and they Cavs went through a brutal (but relatively quick) rebuild.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 3:57 pm    Post subject:

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Question for the people saying you don't trade LeBron out of loyalty and future star perception etc etc

If the Cavs would have offered Mobley/Garland for LeBron+(Prince/vincent etc), you all would have turned it down? (Cavs wouldnt have of course but just for conversation)

2 young clear cut building blocks for a 39 year old on a 10 seed?


nobody is trading those 2 pieces for a 39year old on a 10th seed.

nobody in that ownership or FO has the guts to trade Lebron unless he comes and specifically asks for it.

Lakers on their own will never trade lebron...I mean Jeanie gave Kobe max after the Achilles tear...

i dont care if its right or wrong but i dont see lakers trading him on their own


They can't - he has a defacto NTC by signing 1+1 deals.
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I think the Lakers would have traded Bron if he had said he was open to the idea. They are just trying to get out without making themselves or LBJ look bad at this point.

To me the natural thing is to play through his option year and just politely decline to pay three years at 180.

The sticky thing is if he is willing to take less... like 3 for 150 or 120.

150 million years would still probably be too much for years 41 through 43.

Even 120 million is a risk.

Jeanie is probably sh*tting bricks at the idea of competing with a relevant Clippers team at the Intuit Dome, but signing an old player no matter how great he is for 40, 50 million, let alone 60 million is not going to help.

We are talking two years older than Michael Jordan's final year at Washington.

Now Bron is shooting extremely well, he's a lot bigger than Michael so I think he can still average 20 a game. But I don't want to pay 40 to 60 million a year for someone who scores 20 and only plays defense in spurts.


I think whatever happens, it is what it is.

This isn't either one of our teams, i'm just a supporter of the franchise.
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