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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 2:26 pm    Post subject:

Wake me up when Vanderbilt, Christie, Vincent, or JJ Redick can viably play backup center.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 2:29 pm    Post subject:

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I’m gonna start ignoring Jovan Buha, he first said we were in trade talks with the Blazers/Jazz and then he backtracked that report and is now saying something less significant so his credibility wouldn’t take a hit, no one knows what the Lakers are up to


Lakers are actually moving pretty on point to what Buha is saying now... Lakers are not willing to give up too many assets or throw away picks just to make a move. Look like Rob is waiting for the right deal...

I doubt anything really happens while Lebron/AD is in Paris.
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The Lakers are banking on the health of Jarred Vanderbilt and Gabe Vincent to bolster their team, per @jovanbuha

“As things stand, the Lakers are preaching patience that the right trade will eventually materialize while betting that healthier versions of Jarred Vanderbilt and Gabe Vincent, the addition of Knecht and the promotion of Christie into the rotation will shore up the group’s perimeter defense, athleticism and shooting.”

The "Ariza and Nunn" defense.

Eh, I think it's different given the Lakers did win 47 games last year with (hopefully) worse coaching. Injury luck is TBD -- we're actually well positioned to survive if LeBron only plays ~50-60 games. But AD playing 76 games seems unlikely which is the pirmary concern.

But more importantly, this is just what you should say. Don't come off as desperate and give other teams leverage for no reason. And honestly wait until the deadline when the sellers start to get desperate and playoffs hopefuls with some injuries decide they'd rather tank and have a firesale.


I know that makes sense but man do I hate that philosophy. I want to build a team during the off season that can be committed too so that chemistry is developed for a unit versus planning on adding more mercenaries in the midst of a season. They would not have had the benefit of growing team continuity during training camp and pre-season. It seems obvious that a group of players has a better chance of performing like a team when committed too if they aren’t constantly involved…during the middle of the season…in trade rumors.

Sure, trade players at the trade deadline if plan A fails and emergency changes have to be made, or if tweaks are necessary, but don’t make trading players at the trade deadline the initial plan A. I think that is the main cause of the 2-10 start the season before and the cause of everyone starting with such poor shooting last season. They were too focused on the seemingly probability that their teammates weren’t going to be their teammates and that made it hard to gel as a unit. Fix that philosophy, please! The GM should work extra hard to build a team in the off season and give the players the same type of commitment expected from them. If an emergency arises sure, be flexible, but go into the season with the guys you want to ride or die with and support them through ups and downs.
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Wake me up when Vanderbilt, Christie, Vincent, or JJ Redick can viably play backup center.


We have a backup center that was a starting center in the league and averaged about 17-20 ppg. His name is Christian Wood.
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Wake me up when Vanderbilt, Christie, Vincent, or JJ Redick can viably play backup center.


We have a backup center that was a starting center in the league and averaged about 17-20 ppg. His name is Christian Wood.


I like the chances but we have to acknowledge that even with his long wingspan he’s still only 6’8” and lightweight. I like having Wood as insurance but I would like it much better if a bruiser was added to go with him.

Plus we have to be mindful that even tho it perhaps may have been somewhat attributed to coaching schemes and poor usage of his talent, he still had a horribly bad year.
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Wake me up when Vanderbilt, Christie, Vincent, or JJ Redick can viably play backup center.


We have a backup center that was a starting center in the league and averaged about 17-20 ppg. His name is Christian Wood.

And he sucks at basketball and shouldn't even be playing C. Go Lakers!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 2:46 pm    Post subject:

levon wrote:
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Wake me up when Vanderbilt, Christie, Vincent, or JJ Redick can viably play backup center.


We have a backup center that was a starting center in the league and averaged about 17-20 ppg. His name is Christian Wood.

And he sucks at basketball and shouldn't even be playing C. Go Lakers!


Javale McGee still available...
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ESPN Sources: Free agent G Luke Kennard’s has agreed on a new one-year, $11 million contract to stay with the Memphis Grizzlies. Kennard’s a career 44 percent 3-point shooter and a key floor spacer for the Western contender.


Welp so much for me thinking he can be had for the vetmin...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 3:30 pm    Post subject:

levon wrote:
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Wake me up when Vanderbilt, Christie, Vincent, or JJ Redick can viably play backup center.


We have a backup center that was a starting center in the league and averaged about 17-20 ppg. His name is Christian Wood.

And he sucks at basketball and shouldn't even be playing C!


He averaged 20/9 ppg and rpg and 18/10 on 50/40 splits playing starting center in the league and is still in his 20s.

Have any of the centers you want the Lakers to get rid of a bunch of assets for accomplished that?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 3:33 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
levon wrote:
MJST wrote:
levon wrote:
Wake me up when Vanderbilt, Christie, Vincent, or JJ Redick can viably play backup center.


We have a backup center that was a starting center in the league and averaged about 17-20 ppg. His name is Christian Wood.

And he sucks at basketball and shouldn't even be playing C!


He averaged 20/9 ppg and rpg and 18/10 on 50/40 splits playing starting center in the league and is still in his 20s.

Have any of the centers you want the Lakers to get rid of a bunch of assets for accomplished that?

Unserious player that got unserious stats on unserious teams as an undersized C years ago should not be a backup C on a serious team.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:10 pm    Post subject:

levon wrote:
MJST wrote:
levon wrote:
MJST wrote:
levon wrote:
Wake me up when Vanderbilt, Christie, Vincent, or JJ Redick can viably play backup center.


We have a backup center that was a starting center in the league and averaged about 17-20 ppg. His name is Christian Wood.

And he sucks at basketball and shouldn't even be playing C!


He averaged 20/9 ppg and rpg and 18/10 on 50/40 splits playing starting center in the league and is still in his 20s.

Have any of the centers you want the Lakers to get rid of a bunch of assets for accomplished that?

Unserious player that got unserious stats on unserious teams as an undersized C years ago should not be a backup C on a serious team.


Unseriouys player that put up 20/9 and 18/10 as a starter, yet none of the centers you'd want the Lakers to trade for have done it have they?

20/9 and 17/10 starting center that shoots 50/40 splits coming off the bench for Anthony Davis is a very good thing, whether you like it or not.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:17 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
levon wrote:
MJST wrote:
levon wrote:
MJST wrote:
levon wrote:
Wake me up when Vanderbilt, Christie, Vincent, or JJ Redick can viably play backup center.


We have a backup center that was a starting center in the league and averaged about 17-20 ppg. His name is Christian Wood.

And he sucks at basketball and shouldn't even be playing C!


He averaged 20/9 ppg and rpg and 18/10 on 50/40 splits playing starting center in the league and is still in his 20s.

Have any of the centers you want the Lakers to get rid of a bunch of assets for accomplished that?

Unserious player that got unserious stats on unserious teams as an undersized C years ago should not be a backup C on a serious team.


Unseriouys player that put up 20/9 and 18/10 as a starter, yet none of the centers you'd want the Lakers to trade for have done it have they?

20/9 and 17/10 starting center that shoots 50/40 splits coming off the bench for Anthony Davis is a very good thing, whether you like it or not.

I'm looking for a backup center, not 2021 Rockets Christian Wood. Thanks though.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:19 pm    Post subject:

levon wrote:
MJST wrote:
levon wrote:
MJST wrote:
levon wrote:
MJST wrote:
levon wrote:
Wake me up when Vanderbilt, Christie, Vincent, or JJ Redick can viably play backup center.


We have a backup center that was a starting center in the league and averaged about 17-20 ppg. His name is Christian Wood.

And he sucks at basketball and shouldn't even be playing C!


He averaged 20/9 ppg and rpg and 18/10 on 50/40 splits playing starting center in the league and is still in his 20s.

Have any of the centers you want the Lakers to get rid of a bunch of assets for accomplished that?

Unserious player that got unserious stats on unserious teams as an undersized C years ago should not be a backup C on a serious team.


Unseriouys player that put up 20/9 and 18/10 as a starter, yet none of the centers you'd want the Lakers to trade for have done it have they?

20/9 and 17/10 starting center that shoots 50/40 splits coming off the bench for Anthony Davis is a very good thing, whether you like it or not.

I'm looking for a backup center, not 2021 Rockets Christian Wood. Thanks though.


How about telling us what type or who you are looking for? We also still have Hayes as a back up Center.

Truth is the Center this team needs is very slim picking out there.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:21 pm    Post subject:

miggz23 wrote:
levon wrote:
MJST wrote:
levon wrote:
MJST wrote:
levon wrote:
MJST wrote:
levon wrote:
Wake me up when Vanderbilt, Christie, Vincent, or JJ Redick can viably play backup center.


We have a backup center that was a starting center in the league and averaged about 17-20 ppg. His name is Christian Wood.

And he sucks at basketball and shouldn't even be playing C!


He averaged 20/9 ppg and rpg and 18/10 on 50/40 splits playing starting center in the league and is still in his 20s.

Have any of the centers you want the Lakers to get rid of a bunch of assets for accomplished that?

Unserious player that got unserious stats on unserious teams as an undersized C years ago should not be a backup C on a serious team.


Unseriouys player that put up 20/9 and 18/10 as a starter, yet none of the centers you'd want the Lakers to trade for have done it have they?

20/9 and 17/10 starting center that shoots 50/40 splits coming off the bench for Anthony Davis is a very good thing, whether you like it or not.

I'm looking for a backup center, not 2021 Rockets Christian Wood. Thanks though.


How about telling us what type or who you are looking for? We also still have Hayes as a back up Center.

Truth is the Center this team needs is very slim picking out there.

One that won't fold like a lawnchair on contact and can actually uphold the defensive structure of the team when AD isn't playing. Which is what our head coach also wants by the way, and a player we haven't had since 2021 and apparently may not have until 2025.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:25 pm    Post subject:

levon wrote:
miggz23 wrote:
levon wrote:
MJST wrote:
levon wrote:
MJST wrote:
levon wrote:
MJST wrote:
levon wrote:
Wake me up when Vanderbilt, Christie, Vincent, or JJ Redick can viably play backup center.


We have a backup center that was a starting center in the league and averaged about 17-20 ppg. His name is Christian Wood.

And he sucks at basketball and shouldn't even be playing C!


He averaged 20/9 ppg and rpg and 18/10 on 50/40 splits playing starting center in the league and is still in his 20s.

Have any of the centers you want the Lakers to get rid of a bunch of assets for accomplished that?

Unserious player that got unserious stats on unserious teams as an undersized C years ago should not be a backup C on a serious team.


Unseriouys player that put up 20/9 and 18/10 as a starter, yet none of the centers you'd want the Lakers to trade for have done it have they?

20/9 and 17/10 starting center that shoots 50/40 splits coming off the bench for Anthony Davis is a very good thing, whether you like it or not.

I'm looking for a backup center, not 2021 Rockets Christian Wood. Thanks though.


How about telling us what type or who you are looking for? We also still have Hayes as a back up Center.

Truth is the Center this team needs is very slim picking out there.

One that won't fold like a lawnchair on contact and can actually uphold the defensive structure of the team when AD isn't playing. Which is what our head coach also wants by the way, and a player we haven't had since 2021 and apparently may not have until 2025.


Like I said slim picking... Both Dwight/Javale are still out there if they want to replicate 2020 duo. Both those guys can give you a solid 10-15mpg.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:26 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
levon wrote:
MJST wrote:
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Wake me up when Vanderbilt, Christie, Vincent, or JJ Redick can viably play backup center.


We have a backup center that was a starting center in the league and averaged about 17-20 ppg. His name is Christian Wood.

And he sucks at basketball and shouldn't even be playing C!


He averaged 20/9 ppg and rpg and 18/10 on 50/40 splits playing starting center in the league and is still in his 20s.

Have any of the centers you want the Lakers to get rid of a bunch of assets for accomplished that?


I agree with your assessment of Woods. What can we get in a trade for Woods and DLO?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 5:12 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
levon wrote:
MJST wrote:
levon wrote:
Wake me up when Vanderbilt, Christie, Vincent, or JJ Redick can viably play backup center.


We have a backup center that was a starting center in the league and averaged about 17-20 ppg. His name is Christian Wood.

And he sucks at basketball and shouldn't even be playing C!


He averaged 20/9 ppg and rpg and 18/10 on 50/40 splits playing starting center in the league and is still in his 20s.

Have any of the centers you want the Lakers to get rid of a bunch of assets for accomplished that?


And yet for some reason teams quickly grow tired of him, even teams needing a big. I have no answers why they do but he is the classic definition of a journeyman. If Rob hadn’t given him a PO it is doubtful that he would be a Laker this season.
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zambia wrote:
MJST wrote:
levon wrote:
MJST wrote:
levon wrote:
Wake me up when Vanderbilt, Christie, Vincent, or JJ Redick can viably play backup center.


We have a backup center that was a starting center in the league and averaged about 17-20 ppg. His name is Christian Wood.

And he sucks at basketball and shouldn't even be playing C!


He averaged 20/9 ppg and rpg and 18/10 on 50/40 splits playing starting center in the league and is still in his 20s.

Have any of the centers you want the Lakers to get rid of a bunch of assets for accomplished that?


I agree with your assessment of Woods. What can we get in a trade for Woods and DLO?


I like the Lakers more than I like those two…Dlo/Wood…but I despise losing more than I despise those two. I don’t pretend to know what others think but it seems to me that the latter may not be the case for many other fans.

If the Lakers can improve by trading them…fixing enough holes without creating other problems so that a significant positive net gain is evident…then I’m all for it. Dumping them without improving…their trade value is low… because emotionally I just want them gone isn’t the way to go and would appear to suggest that they are despised more than Laker losses are despised.

You should answer the question that you asked for yourself, “what can we get?”. The result, I think, shows they…Dlo/Wood…are more valuable to the Lakers winning than players we can conceive to be obtained in a trade using them. It looks like shopping Dlo resulted in staying pat at the trade deadline and has resulted in the same this off season. Also, why would it be leaked that the FO prioritizes Hayes over Wood? It all seems strange to me.
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I’m gonna start ignoring Jovan Buha, he first said we were in trade talks with the Blazers/Jazz and then he backtracked that report and is now saying something less significant so his credibility wouldn’t take a hit, no one knows what the Lakers are up to


Lakers are actually moving pretty on point to what Buha is saying now... Lakers are not willing to give up too many assets or throw away picks just to make a move. Look like Rob is waiting for the right deal...

I doubt anything really happens while Lebron/AD is in Paris.


Rob can work the phones while he’s either in Paris or LA and have the trade discussions take place while the Laker players are competing in the Olympics, anyways I bet AD and LeBron would be excited if a trade were to go down while there playing in the Olympics, pretty interesting that Knecht is eligible to be traded in 2 days and Lauri trade front has been quiet in recent days
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miggz23 wrote:
levon wrote:
miggz23 wrote:
levon wrote:
MJST wrote:
levon wrote:
MJST wrote:
levon wrote:
MJST wrote:
levon wrote:
Wake me up when Vanderbilt, Christie, Vincent, or JJ Redick can viably play backup center.


We have a backup center that was a starting center in the league and averaged about 17-20 ppg. His name is Christian Wood.

And he sucks at basketball and shouldn't even be playing C!


He averaged 20/9 ppg and rpg and 18/10 on 50/40 splits playing starting center in the league and is still in his 20s.

Have any of the centers you want the Lakers to get rid of a bunch of assets for accomplished that?

Unserious player that got unserious stats on unserious teams as an undersized C years ago should not be a backup C on a serious team.


Unseriouys player that put up 20/9 and 18/10 as a starter, yet none of the centers you'd want the Lakers to trade for have done it have they?

20/9 and 17/10 starting center that shoots 50/40 splits coming off the bench for Anthony Davis is a very good thing, whether you like it or not.

I'm looking for a backup center, not 2021 Rockets Christian Wood. Thanks though.


How about telling us what type or who you are looking for? We also still have Hayes as a back up Center.

Truth is the Center this team needs is very slim picking out there.

One that won't fold like a lawnchair on contact and can actually uphold the defensive structure of the team when AD isn't playing. Which is what our head coach also wants by the way, and a player we haven't had since 2021 and apparently may not have until 2025.


Like I said slim picking... Both Dwight/Javale are still out there if they want to replicate 2020 duo. Both those guys can give you a solid 10-15mpg.

If they could they would be employed. Dwight was awful during his third stint here three years ago and Javale has been a third stringer for years now.
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MJST wrote:
levon wrote:
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Wake me up when Vanderbilt, Christie, Vincent, or JJ Redick can viably play backup center.


We have a backup center that was a starting center in the league and averaged about 17-20 ppg. His name is Christian Wood.

And he sucks at basketball and shouldn't even be playing C!


He averaged 20/9 ppg and rpg and 18/10 on 50/40 splits playing starting center in the league and is still in his 20s.

Have any of the centers you want the Lakers to get rid of a bunch of assets for accomplished that?


And yet for some reason teams quickly grow tired of him, even teams needing a big. I have no answers why they do but he is the classic definition of a journeyman. If Rob hadn’t given him a PO it is doubtful that he would be a Laker this season.


Tyus Jones was the best backup point guard in the league and he had to settle for crumbs because he had no market.

Sometimes just because the market dictates a few things, doesn't mean it's the be all and end all of a players true value.

The Lakers have saved the careers of players like Malik Monk because of this.
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The Cleveland Cavaliers now have their core four of Donovan Mitchell, Darius Garland, Evan Mobley, and Jarrett Allen signed to guaranteed contracts through at least the next three seasons before Mitchell’s $56.59 million player option for the 2027-28 season.


They better give Foston some Ls in regular season.

That's a mid-ass team.


I like Mitchell and the defensive potential of the team, but Garland is a poor fit as a secondary star.

That's ultimately going to hold them back, even though I think Garland is a good overall player.

Whatever potential he has, he won't find it next to Mitchell. They compliment each other poorly.


I'm surprised Garland's name doesn't come up more. The Cavs have managed their money well but even with the cap going up it makes sense to deal him for an expiring and descent cost controlled youth and or picks.
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When you look at how the game is played in the olympics AND the playoffs, your core lineup has to be mostly filled with guys who play defense.

I don't care how much the Lakers improve around the margins, as long as all of DLo, AR, Rui, and even LeBron are part of the core, the Lakers will be giving up too much on defense.

Just getting a big isn't going to solve much of the Lakers' issues. Even with rebounding, I think having non-bigs who are active, box-out, and have good instincts is more important that just getting another big.
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When you look at how the game is played in the olympics AND the playoffs, your core lineup has to be mostly filled with guys who play defense.

I don't care how much the Lakers improve around the margins, as long as all of DLo, AR, Rui, and even LeBron are part of the core, the Lakers will be giving up too much on defense.

Just getting a big isn't going to solve much of the Lakers' issues. Even with rebounding, I think having non-bigs who are active, box-out, and have good instincts is more important that just getting another big.


When I look at the Celtics they have the perfect roster to become a dynasty as long as their main superstar players stay healthy.. Jrue and White and even Horford don’t wow you with anything but there the perfect guys to have if your competing for titles, the Lakers need to just realize that no 1 wants to do business with them unless that team is getting what they want, it’s gonna be hard to find the perfect players to surround AD and LeBron
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When you look at how the game is played in the olympics AND the playoffs, your core lineup has to be mostly filled with guys who play defense.

I don't care how much the Lakers improve around the margins, as long as all of DLo, AR, Rui, and even LeBron are part of the core, the Lakers will be giving up too much on defense.

Just getting a big isn't going to solve much of the Lakers' issues. Even with rebounding, I think having non-bigs who are active, box-out, and have good instincts is more important that just getting another big.

I don't think the Lakers are that far. Playoff LeBron is fine.
IMO the Lakers' roster mostly has those guys, yeah Rui & Knecht probably aren't ideal but especially off the bench they're fine. The Lakers' issues are mostly because Reaves & Russell both have that same issue. IF Reaves has made a playmaking/ primary initiator leap:
Vando/Reddish/FRP => WCJ, DLO/JHS/Wood => Brown works cap-wise

Now you have:
Reaves/ Brown/ LeBron/ AD/ WCJ
Vincent/ Christie/ Knecht/ Rui/ Hayes
Lewis & Bronny are G-Leaguers.
Three open spots for vet mins

I think Brown is a worse player than Russell in a vacuum. But he has all the intangibles Russell lacks. He's a strong rebounder, he has defensive versatility which lets you slot LeBron on the weaker wing. WCJ lets you slot AD at the 4 without losing spacing. So you're really supporting your two stars. This team is thin on playmaking but what you have is mostly 2-way players. In the playoffs Hayes and Knecht probably exit the rotation for a solid 8-man rotation of 2-way players (Reaves is a perfectly adequate "worst defender in the lineup").

And what's also nice is that for any sort of buyout candidate you'll have rotation space which means you might get an upgrade where you need it.

I'm assuming Bruce Brown's market is bad because no way I trade a FRP for him though.
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