KAT trade now finalized with 100% salary matching met (ie ducking 1st Apron trigger) by NY via S&ts. The bugs used their room- or ntp- MLE to take that traded salary into, which is now allowed via the CBA. Needless to say, they are now hardcapped at the 1st Apron with acquisitions of these S&t’d players and/or using the ntpMLE. Knicks meanwhile are hardcapped at the 2nd Apron and Minny has ducked the hardcap altogether via 100% trade matching and not receiving a singular salary that was aggregated for.
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Fred Katz: The Hornets are receiving three second-round picks (two via Knicks, one via Minnesota), along with DaQuan Jeffries, Charlie Brown and Duane Washington Jr., to complete the Karl-Anthony Towns-Julius Randle-Donte DiVincenzo trade, sources tell me, @JonKrawczynski and @ShamsCharania
Knicks FO are running laps around this new CBA. Take note, Rob.
Give him a call V. Offer your help pro bono (or maybe some tickets). Rob is asleep behind the wheel. Maybe its a good thing because I still worry about him throwing away a couple of FRP's for garbage.
The Lakers will be a good(not great) basketball team while DLo and AR aren't slumping. And, they'll be trash when they are.
At the end of the day, the lack of 2-way play limits this team's ceiling. People overlook that the Lakers definitely played worse defense when the "mid 3" started together, good for 23rd in defensive efficiency post all-star break.
On defense: AD is all-world, LeBron is inconsistent, and the other 3 are outright bad.
That's just not enough. It's why the Lakers aren't top-tier at their best, and why they become awful when they're slumping.
If JJ costs us less games being a rookie coach then Darvin being a bad coach, we should comfortably be in the play ins I think
Knicks did give up an all-star in Randle for KAT. DD was also valued after his playoff performance. Plus a pick.
I know most will not want to hear this. I just feel the only asset we have that is valued around the league - is Austin at the MLE.
I feel teams view DLO, Rui, Vanderbillt, Gabe as all overpaid based on last season.
If Rob really wanted a deal, Austin Reaves + 2029 pick would fetch him that. However, I doubt he liked what he was getting back.
the crazy thing about that deal is that DDV is the player wolves/Wolves fans coveted and that the NYK were reluctant to give up. Goes to show how the league is different. IMHO Kat is going to end the season in the fetal position if he has any weight on his shoulder.s _________________ Kobe.
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@RI: good point fam! I still like your idea of making a call…it’s just not my call (or any of the fanbase’s call) to make. I would hope she knows what call she needs to make on dude. #Bu$$stopswithher
As far as the call for M-Rob to get traded here is concerned…
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Although Thibodeau declined to provide a timeline for Robinson’s recovery, a league source targeted December or January as a rough estimate, depending on the progress of rehab. – via New York Post
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“The health of Mitchell Robinson definitely played a factor. From what I’m told, it’s going to be multiple months—three months potentially. This is something the Knicks are racing for, and that’s their hope, their expectation now. But we’ve seen with Mitchell Robinson, when exactly will that be? He came back from a procedure last year for the playoffs, and then it ended up not looking great. He didn’t look right. He needed another surgery. He’s dealt with a lot over the last year or two to stay on the floor.” – via YouTube
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@RI: good point fam! I still like your idea of making a call…it’s just not my call (or any of the fanbase’s call) to make. I would hope she knows what call she needs to make on dude. #Bu$$stopswithher
As far as the call for M-Rob to get traded here is concerned…
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Although Thibodeau declined to provide a timeline for Robinson’s recovery, a league source targeted December or January as a rough estimate, depending on the progress of rehab. – via New York Post
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“The health of Mitchell Robinson definitely played a factor. From what I’m told, it’s going to be multiple months—three months potentially. This is something the Knicks are racing for, and that’s their hope, their expectation now. But we’ve seen with Mitchell Robinson, when exactly will that be? He came back from a procedure last year for the playoffs, and then it ended up not looking great. He didn’t look right. He needed another surgery. He’s dealt with a lot over the last year or two to stay on the floor.” – via YouTube
Means he should come cheap and JJ can let him sit and heal up completely and be ready before playoffs start up when it matters most.
“The vibes around the Lakers are at an all-time high.This is my fifth season covering the Lakers and my fifth training camp, and I cannot remember the Lakers having this kind of positive, joyous, and upbeat energy.”
These are Robinson’s games played for his career and he’s going to miss half of this season at least if not more. He’d cost multiple rotation players. He looks fat and out of shape. I’d love to chase a center but that’s too risky. _________________ 14-5-3-12
These are Robinson’s games played for his career and he’s going to miss half of this season at least if not more. He’d cost multiple rotation players. He looks fat and out of shape. I’d love to chase a center but that’s too risky.
Trading for injured players is patently stupid. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
“The vibes around the Lakers are at an all-time high.This is my fifth season covering the Lakers and my fifth training camp, and I cannot remember the Lakers having this kind of positive, joyous, and upbeat energy.”
- @jovanbuha
Great sign!!!!
Quotes from last year:
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The mood and energy around the Lakers now couldn’t have been more different than at this time the previous season, a truth multiple staffers acknowledged before and after the hour-long event.
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Nearly every player has been in the gym on a daily basis. Several often came in twice a day.
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“It’s been a great summer,” Ham said. “The energy in the building has been great. Everybody’s been working top to bottom, just because they know it’s something special. We’ve re-established the competitive gene that this organization has been known for at a high level.”
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Los Angeles Lakers coach Darvin Ham is doubling -- if not tripling -- down on Anthony Davis as a 3-point threat this season.
"I want him, if he can -- I know he won't do it, but maybe he'll shock me -- but I've requested to see six 3-point attempts a game," Ham said after practice Tuesday. "Three per half, at least. I wouldn't put that on him if I didn't think he was capable."
So Gabe, Vando, Max and Jax, that’s 9, on deck I assume Knecth/Wood.
Assuming JHS staying along with Bronny, why not flip Reddish/Lewis for a vet min DeMarcus Cousins. Those 2 not gonna play in reg season nor g league anyway. We can’t pay another team to do a 2 for 1, make room for Cousins? _________________ “The main goal for the Lakers is to win a championship. All I care about, all we care about, is to raise another banner in the rafters.“
Knicks did give up an all-star in Randle for KAT. DD was also valued after his playoff performance. Plus a pick.
I know most will not want to hear this. I just feel the only asset we have that is valued around the league - is Austin at the MLE.
I feel teams view DLO, Rui, Vanderbillt, Gabe as all overpaid based on last season.
If Rob really wanted a deal, Austin Reaves + 2029 pick would fetch him that. However, I doubt he liked what he was getting back.
Pretty much this. Someone earlier in the thread likened the Knicks' offer to Dlo and Rui, implying we could have gotten KAT for a similar offer. Except that Dlo's rep in the playoffs in horrible, and the Wolves got a first hand look at him and were done with him themselves at the end of his time there. DD on the other hand has show out in his time with the Warriors and the Knicks in the playoffs. And as much as I like Rui, Randle has proven himself far more in his time in NY than Rui has with the Wizards and with us. Knicks just had much better assets available than we do.
“The vibes around the Lakers are at an all-time high.This is my fifth season covering the Lakers and my fifth training camp, and I cannot remember the Lakers having this kind of positive, joyous, and upbeat energy.”
- @jovanbuha
Great sign!!!!
Quotes from last year:
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The mood and energy around the Lakers now couldn’t have been more different than at this time the previous season, a truth multiple staffers acknowledged before and after the hour-long event.
Quote:
Nearly every player has been in the gym on a daily basis. Several often came in twice a day.
Quote:
“It’s been a great summer,” Ham said. “The energy in the building has been great. Everybody’s been working top to bottom, just because they know it’s something special. We’ve re-established the competitive gene that this organization has been known for at a high level.”
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Los Angeles Lakers coach Darvin Ham is doubling -- if not tripling -- down on Anthony Davis as a 3-point threat this season.
"I want him, if he can -- I know he won't do it, but maybe he'll shock me -- but I've requested to see six 3-point attempts a game," Ham said after practice Tuesday. "Three per half, at least. I wouldn't put that on him if I didn't think he was capable."
Most of those quotes are from the dumb azz Ham. Just showing up to practice was a great day for that incompetent moron
“The vibes around the Lakers are at an all-time high.This is my fifth season covering the Lakers and my fifth training camp, and I cannot remember the Lakers having this kind of positive, joyous, and upbeat energy.”
- @jovanbuha
Great sign!!!!
Quotes from last year:
Quote:
The mood and energy around the Lakers now couldn’t have been more different than at this time the previous season, a truth multiple staffers acknowledged before and after the hour-long event.
Quote:
Nearly every player has been in the gym on a daily basis. Several often came in twice a day.
Quote:
“It’s been a great summer,” Ham said. “The energy in the building has been great. Everybody’s been working top to bottom, just because they know it’s something special. We’ve re-established the competitive gene that this organization has been known for at a high level.”
Quote:
Los Angeles Lakers coach Darvin Ham is doubling -- if not tripling -- down on Anthony Davis as a 3-point threat this season.
"I want him, if he can -- I know he won't do it, but maybe he'll shock me -- but I've requested to see six 3-point attempts a game," Ham said after practice Tuesday. "Three per half, at least. I wouldn't put that on him if I didn't think he was capable."
Most of those quotes are from the dumb azz Ham. Just showing up to practice was a great day for that incompetent moron
Some Laker fans might be in for a splash of cold water when the season starts and they can no longer blame Darvin Ham for absolutely everything. _________________ 14-5-3-12
Knicks did give up an all-star in Randle for KAT. DD was also valued after his playoff performance. Plus a pick.
I know most will not want to hear this. I just feel the only asset we have that is valued around the league - is Austin at the MLE.
I feel teams view DLO, Rui, Vanderbillt, Gabe as all overpaid based on last season.
If Rob really wanted a deal, Austin Reaves + 2029 pick would fetch him that. However, I doubt he liked what he was getting back.
Pretty much this. Someone earlier in the thread likened the Knicks' offer to Dlo and Rui, implying we could have gotten KAT for a similar offer. Except that Dlo's rep in the playoffs in horrible, and the Wolves got a first hand look at him and were done with him themselves at the end of his time there. DD on the other hand has show out in his time with the Warriors and the Knicks in the playoffs. And as much as I like Rui, Randle has proven himself far more in his time in NY than Rui has with the Wizards and with us. Knicks just had much better assets available than we do.
So would u do AR+Rui+ protected 1st+salary (JHS maybe) for KAT? I prob would _________________ “The main goal for the Lakers is to win a championship. All I care about, all we care about, is to raise another banner in the rafters.“
I'm not as low on our guys as many others here. Perceptions change quickly in the league and guys' values can be deflated if they're put in the wrong situation. The Mavericks made the finals last year with 2 stars and a bunch of guys who, just a year prior, had very little value. Prior to last season, PJ Washington and Daniel Gafford were viewed as somewhat interesting young players who had only contributed to losing basketball in 4 years of NBA experience. Derrick Jones Jr spent the prior 2 seasons buried on the bench of one of the worst teams in the league. Dante Exum was out of the league the prior 2 seasons, and THJ has been viewed as mediocre and overpaid for years (and they dumped him the second they could). One good playoff run and suddenly using two firsts to get Washington and Gafford is viewed as a huge win, Derrick Jones Jr gets a 4x raise and everyone wants to talk about the Mavs shrewd FO.
I think other than Memphis every team in the West either got worse or stayed roughly the same. If we're in a decent spot in the standings come mid-January or so, I think guys like Rui are going to be a lot more attractive on the trade market. I just think some folks really underestimate how far back Darvin set the value of some of these guys. Rui, who we made a significant financial investment in, didn't average over 30mpg until February. In March he averaged 17 and 5 on 59% shooting and 47% from 3. In April he averaged 16 and 6 on 55% shooting and 43% from 3. I think that is closer to what was envisioned when we gave him his contract, and I don't think there are many 6'8 forwards who are relatively young putting up perimeter shooting numbers like this at this price point. It's just optimism for now, but I feel better about this coaching staff getting more out of this group than Ham and co did last year.
“The vibes around the Lakers are at an all-time high.This is my fifth season covering the Lakers and my fifth training camp, and I cannot remember the Lakers having this kind of positive, joyous, and upbeat energy.”
- @jovanbuha
Great sign!!!!
Quotes from last year:
Quote:
The mood and energy around the Lakers now couldn’t have been more different than at this time the previous season, a truth multiple staffers acknowledged before and after the hour-long event.
Quote:
Nearly every player has been in the gym on a daily basis. Several often came in twice a day.
Quote:
“It’s been a great summer,” Ham said. “The energy in the building has been great. Everybody’s been working top to bottom, just because they know it’s something special. We’ve re-established the competitive gene that this organization has been known for at a high level.”
Quote:
Los Angeles Lakers coach Darvin Ham is doubling -- if not tripling -- down on Anthony Davis as a 3-point threat this season.
"I want him, if he can -- I know he won't do it, but maybe he'll shock me -- but I've requested to see six 3-point attempts a game," Ham said after practice Tuesday. "Three per half, at least. I wouldn't put that on him if I didn't think he was capable."
Most of those quotes are from the dumb azz Ham. Just showing up to practice was a great day for that incompetent moron
Some Laker fans might be in for a splash of cold water when the season starts and they can no longer blame Darvin Ham for absolutely everything.
I see the glass half full and see JJ as a major upgrade with a healthy roster (hopefully soon). You see it half empty with low expectations. We'll see what happens.
These are Robinson’s games played for his career and he’s going to miss half of this season at least if not more. He’d cost multiple rotation players. He looks fat and out of shape. I’d love to chase a center but that’s too risky.
If the cost is Gabe Vincent+/Lewis/Cam, I still do it. Get the big and open up roster spots for a guy like Fultz or whoever might get cut going into the season. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though."
Dlo/vando/gabe/wood for Lavine / 26 unprotected 1 / two second round picks
Then pick up Covington / dsj / and McDermott or McGee
Lavine
AR
Rui
Bron
Davis
Dsj
Christie
Knecht
Covington
Jax
McGee / Bronny / Jhs/ Lewis / reddish
Then we still have a few pieces and now three first round picks to trade for a star. I’m not advocating for this but just throwing it out there to get opinions.
Knicks did give up an all-star in Randle for KAT. DD was also valued after his playoff performance. Plus a pick.
I know most will not want to hear this. I just feel the only asset we have that is valued around the league - is Austin at the MLE.
I feel teams view DLO, Rui, Vanderbillt, Gabe as all overpaid based on last season.
If Rob really wanted a deal, Austin Reaves + 2029 pick would fetch him that. However, I doubt he liked what he was getting back.
Pretty much this. Someone earlier in the thread likened the Knicks' offer to Dlo and Rui, implying we could have gotten KAT for a similar offer. Except that Dlo's rep in the playoffs in horrible, and the Wolves got a first hand look at him and were done with him themselves at the end of his time there. DD on the other hand has show out in his time with the Warriors and the Knicks in the playoffs. And as much as I like Rui, Randle has proven himself far more in his time in NY than Rui has with the Wizards and with us. Knicks just had much better assets available than we do.
So would u do AR+Rui+ protected 1st+salary (JHS maybe) for KAT? I prob would
The fit with AD is enticing, but there are 0 scenarios where something like this would actually make sense for us IMO. To match salaries we'd have to trade AR, Rui and DLo, plus they'd want the protected first. 3 starters and a first rounder for the right to pay KAT marginally less than what we're paying AD the next few years feels like a bit much. I don't know if folks realize how bad this contract is at $220M guaranteed. Minny was desperate to get off of it. KAT has also missed significant time in 3 of the last 5 seasons.
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