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MJST Retired Number


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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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Hanging from Rafters wrote: | alleyoop wrote: | Still don’t know why you’d bother to pay 30+mil salary more to a single player for ‘more athleticism’ |
Perhaps the “more athleticism” could translate into not getting abused as much defensively and it’s more than just “more athleticism”. It also includes much better shot creation/efficiency with ^6ppg (24vs18), ^8%FG (52vs44), and ^9%3pt (45vs36). The 1 less assist is negligible for playmaking since it’s from a SG vs PG with all else about the same. Those parameters together with the ability to acquire without having to give up a FRP could potentially be a significant impact. |
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Austin Reaves 9th
Zach LaVine 3rd
So... nope! Lavine is a worse defender than Reaves X_X _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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levon Franchise Player

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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | alleyoop wrote: | Still don’t know why you’d bother to pay 30+mil salary more to a single player for ‘more athleticism’ |
Perhaps the “more athleticism” could translate into not getting abused as much defensively and it’s more than just “more athleticism”. It also includes much better shot creation/efficiency with ^6ppg (24vs18), ^8%FG (52vs44), and ^9%3pt (45vs36). The 1 less assist is negligible for playmaking since it’s from a SG vs PG with all else about the same. Those parameters together with the ability to acquire without having to give up a FRP could potentially be a significant impact. |
Defensive Percentile
Austin Reaves 9th
Zach LaVine 3rd
So... nope! Lavine is a worse defender than Reaves X_X |
Ah the mysterious gatekept percentile stat strikes again. |
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gng930 Franchise Player

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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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Hanging from Rafters wrote: |
”Vincent”/Knecht/Hayes flipped for Richards/Schroeder
(Knecht/Hayes to Char; Vincent/2ndRP to GSW) then yea!
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No chance I'm sending Knecht for Richards. _________________ Luxury Tax/FA Spreadsheet (Save to your Google Drive to edit) |
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Japago Star Player

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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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This team isn't going anywhere with this putrid, putrid defense.
The front office doesn't have the balls to trade players like AR, but they really need to. His offense doesn't make up for his lack of defense.
I said awhile ago that the Lakers may need a drastic overhaul to even have a puncher's chance, and that potentially includes trading the Lakers' big 3 supporting cast.
While talented offensively, AR, DLo, and Rui are almost just as bad defensively. It's hard for people to see that while they put up good stats. |
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Lakersfan1211 Star Player

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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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Just waiting until this LeBron experiment is officially out of this team. Until then, we stay playing LeBron ball. |
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Japago Star Player

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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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Lakersfan1211 wrote: | Just waiting until this LeBron experiment is officially out of this team. Until then, we stay playing LeBron ball. |
This game ended at the end of the 3rd when he was out. The rest of the team gave up the lead, and LeBron tried to play hero ball and couldn't do it.
What other options does this team have right now? These role players don't score at a high enough level to be a major options and give up these leads because of their putrid defense. |
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levon Franchise Player

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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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Japago wrote: | Lakersfan1211 wrote: | Just waiting until this LeBron experiment is officially out of this team. Until then, we stay playing LeBron ball. |
This game ended at the end of the 3rd when he was out. The rest of the team gave up the lead, and LeBron tried to play hero ball and couldn't do it.
What other options does this team have right now? These role players don't score at a high enough level to be a major options and give up these leads because of their putrid defense. |
Thank you. The non-LeBron lineup gave up 10 points to end the 3rd, then the nonviable non-AD lineup to start the 4th kept bleeding points. Then they just stopped playing. |
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alleyoop Star Player

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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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This team CAN be really good, if we were able to fix the weak links in our rotation (Rui and Hayes, + lack of an extra playmaker) + JJ stops using his (bleep) switch-all scheme
But easier said than done _________________ #18 next... |
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Japago Star Player

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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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levon wrote: | Japago wrote: | Lakersfan1211 wrote: | Just waiting until this LeBron experiment is officially out of this team. Until then, we stay playing LeBron ball. |
This game ended at the end of the 3rd when he was out. The rest of the team gave up the lead, and LeBron tried to play hero ball and couldn't do it.
What other options does this team have right now? These role players don't score at a high enough level to be a major options and give up these leads because of their putrid defense. |
Thank you. The non-LeBron lineup gave up 10 points to end the 3rd, then the nonviable non-AD lineup to start the 4th kept bleeding points. Then they just stopped playing. |
It's like they don't even attempt to figure out why one of the greatest passers of all time would try to play hero ball all of a sudden. He's always been ready to cede control and let someone else score if they're capable of doing it.
3rd option looks like it's back on the table again. I know AR has stepped up his overall production, but he's still purely a supporting offensive player at the end of the day.
They need another centerpiece, an actual creator of offense. |
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TMG Star Player

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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Say it with me people.
Keep those picks
keep those picks |
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Robblake Star Player

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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | alleyoop wrote: | Still don’t know why you’d bother to pay 30+mil salary more to a single player for ‘more athleticism’ |
Perhaps the “more athleticism” could translate into not getting abused as much defensively and it’s more than just “more athleticism”. It also includes much better shot creation/efficiency with ^6ppg (24vs18), ^8%FG (52vs44), and ^9%3pt (45vs36). The 1 less assist is negligible for playmaking since it’s from a SG vs PG with all else about the same. Those parameters together with the ability to acquire without having to give up a FRP could potentially be a significant impact. |
Defensive Percentile
Austin Reaves 9th
Zach LaVine 3rd
So... nope! Lavine is a worse defender than Reaves X_X |
Zach would take pressure off bron immensely offensively. Something no one else can consistently. |
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TMG Star Player

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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Lakersfan1211 wrote: | Just waiting until this LeBron experiment is officially out of this team. Until then, we stay playing LeBron ball. |
Lebron wasn't even the main problem
He sucked and had a bunch of TO in the 4Q but this is so far out of Lebron being the issue right now
I will agree that this duo just cant do it anymore though. |
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Japago Star Player

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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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I really want Austin Reaves on the trade block. I'm not saying to just trade him for anything, but I don't understand how he's even close to "untouchable" level.
I swear I don't think he's a complete scrub or anything, but he's really not nearly as good as the front office makes him out to be. |
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tox Franchise Player

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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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I'm officially on team blow it up
Trade AD to Houston/ OKC for whatever picks we can get back.
Let LeBron do a farewell tour here or trade him to whatever team will take him for a pick
Trade AR for a pick or two (I still think AR for Cole Anthony / draft capital makes sense) |
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miggz23 Star Player

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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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alleyoop wrote: | This team CAN be really good, if we were able to fix the weak links in our rotation (Rui and Hayes, + lack of an extra playmaker) + JJ stops using his (bleep) switch-all scheme
But easier said than done |
One of the reason I wanted to get rid some of our supposed to be specialist players that does nothing special.
One of the reason I don't mind taking a flyer on guys like Vucevic and Valenciunas... Even big and slow they still help this team offensively and getting you extra possessions. Vucevic can pick up some of the scoring when Lebron and AD sits. Valenciunas gives you solid big off the bench who is a decent rebounders.
Defense is a wash anyways. Lakers right now sucks on both ends.
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Halflife Franchise Player

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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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tox wrote: | I'm officially on team blow it up
Trade AD to Houston/ OKC for whatever picks we can get back.
Let LeBron do a farewell tour here or trade him to whatever team will take him for a pick
Trade AR for a pick or two (I still think AR for Cole Anthony / draft capital makes sense) |
Until they beat the blazers or hornets. Then we will be back _________________ https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDfvXWXvpeb/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== |
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Ksig Star Player

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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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Japago wrote: | I really want Austin Reaves on the trade block. I'm not saying to just trade him for anything, but I don't understand how he's even close to "untouchable" level.
I swear I don't think he's a complete scrub or anything, but he's really not nearly as good as the front office makes him out to be. |
Hes on a very good contract (in a league full of overpaid max contracts and a time where the CBA is as restricting as ever) and puts up decent to good numbers.
I dont think he is actually untouchable, lots of teams say that to boost player value. See Podz last year on the Warriors. |
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TMG Star Player

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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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tox wrote: | I'm officially on team blow it up
Trade AD to Houston/ OKC for whatever picks we can get back.
Let LeBron do a farewell tour here or trade him to whatever team will take him for a pick
Trade AR for a pick or two (I still think AR for Cole Anthony / draft capital makes sense) |
Damn Tox i thought you were optimistic  |
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Japago Star Player

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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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I can't stop looking at the Clippers and thinking about how much better they play without the star power of even the declined versions of LeBron and AD.
I know LeBron and AD aren't as good as they were, but it's absolutely pathetic how bad the Lakers have been with 2 high-level all-star players.
The GM needs to go. |
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MJST Retired Number


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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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TMG wrote: | Lakersfan1211 wrote: | Just waiting until this LeBron experiment is officially out of this team. Until then, we stay playing LeBron ball. |
Lebron wasn't even the main problem
He sucked and had a bunch of TO in the 4Q but this is so far out of Lebron being the issue right now
I will agree that this duo just cant do it anymore though. |
That's an issue in a game that was lost in the 4th Quarter. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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Brawn13 Star Player

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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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TMG wrote: | Lakersfan1211 wrote: | Just waiting until this LeBron experiment is officially out of this team. Until then, we stay playing LeBron ball. |
Lebron wasn't even the main problem
He sucked and had a bunch of TO in the 4Q but this is so far out of Lebron being the issue right now
I will agree that this duo just cant do it anymore though. |
Ya Lebron is washed but the game was lost at the end of the 3rd with that 10-0 run when he was on the bench. He tried to force the issue when he came back in but he can’t put teams on his back anymore |
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Japago Star Player

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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Ksig wrote: | Japago wrote: | I really want Austin Reaves on the trade block. I'm not saying to just trade him for anything, but I don't understand how he's even close to "untouchable" level.
I swear I don't think he's a complete scrub or anything, but he's really not nearly as good as the front office makes him out to be. |
Hes on a very good contract (in a league full of overpaid max contracts and a time where the CBA is as restricting as ever) and puts up decent to good numbers.
I dont think he is actually untouchable, lots of teams say that to boost player value. See Podz last year on the Warriors. |
As nice as that is, that stuff really doesn't outweigh the need for high-level players on the roster. If you can, you always solve the bigger needs and try to replace the roles of the traded players through lesser means. |
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TMG Star Player

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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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Japago wrote: | I can't stop looking at the Clippers and thinking about how much better they play without the star power of even the declined versions of LeBron and AD.
I know LeBron and AD aren't as good as they were, but it's absolutely pathetic how bad the Lakers have been with 2 high-level all-star players.
The GM needs to go. |
No no no...AD is a beast who plays on a mediocre team. Put AD on a legit team and they're contenders. |
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miggz23 Star Player

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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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RUI/JHS for Schroder/Hield
Gabe/SRPs for Valenciunas
AD/Valenciunas/Hayes
Lebron/Wood
DFS/Vando/Knecht
Max/Hield/Cam/Bronny
AR/Schroder/Shake |
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