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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:12 pm    Post subject:

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RUI/JHS for Schroder/Hield

Gabe/SRPs for Valenciunas

AD/Valenciunas/Hayes
Lebron/Wood
DFS/Vando/Knecht
Max/Hield/Cam/Bronny
AR/Schroder/Shake

I mean, why does GSW do that
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:13 pm    Post subject:

miggz23 wrote:
RUI/JHS for Schroder/Hield

Gabe/SRPs for Valenciunas

AD/Valenciunas/Hayes
Lebron/Wood
DFS/Vando/Knecht
Max/Hield/Cam/Bronny
AR/Schroder/Shake



Why would the warriors do that trade??

Valenciunas is not the answer for this team.

You'll understand soon enough this team is (bleep) and all these trade scenarios are a waste
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:17 pm    Post subject:

TMG wrote:
miggz23 wrote:
RUI/JHS for Schroder/Hield

Gabe/SRPs for Valenciunas

AD/Valenciunas/Hayes
Lebron/Wood
DFS/Vando/Knecht
Max/Hield/Cam/Bronny
AR/Schroder/Shake



Why would the warriors do that trade??

Valenciunas is not the answer for this team.

You'll understand soon enough this team is (bleep) and all these trade scenarios are a waste

Still respectfully disagree with the last statement

Get rid of one-dimensional Rui and no-dimensional Hayes for better, more well-rounded players, replace Clunky Cam with Vando once he gets back, and we should be a good amount better... provided JJ gets his head screwed on right and stops relying on terrible defensive schemes
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:57 pm    Post subject:

alleyoop wrote:
TMG wrote:
miggz23 wrote:
RUI/JHS for Schroder/Hield

Gabe/SRPs for Valenciunas

AD/Valenciunas/Hayes
Lebron/Wood
DFS/Vando/Knecht
Max/Hield/Cam/Bronny
AR/Schroder/Shake



Why would the warriors do that trade??

Valenciunas is not the answer for this team.

You'll understand soon enough this team is (bleep) and all these trade scenarios are a waste

Still respectfully disagree with the last statement

Get rid of one-dimensional Rui and no-dimensional Hayes for better, more well-rounded players, replace Clunky Cam with Vando once he gets back, and we should be a good amount better... provided JJ gets his head screwed on right and stops relying on terrible defensive schemes



Vando is at least two weeks away and after two weeks he'll be two more weeks away.

You know JJ might as well do a Thibs and play like a tight 8 man rotation.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:01 am    Post subject:

TMG wrote:
alleyoop wrote:
TMG wrote:
miggz23 wrote:
RUI/JHS for Schroder/Hield

Gabe/SRPs for Valenciunas

AD/Valenciunas/Hayes
Lebron/Wood
DFS/Vando/Knecht
Max/Hield/Cam/Bronny
AR/Schroder/Shake



Why would the warriors do that trade??

Valenciunas is not the answer for this team.

You'll understand soon enough this team is (bleep) and all these trade scenarios are a waste

Still respectfully disagree with the last statement

Get rid of one-dimensional Rui and no-dimensional Hayes for better, more well-rounded players, replace Clunky Cam with Vando once he gets back, and we should be a good amount better... provided JJ gets his head screwed on right and stops relying on terrible defensive schemes



Vando is at least two weeks away and after two weeks he'll be two more weeks away.

You know JJ might as well do a Thibs and play like a tight 8 man rotation.

And if that’s the case - the tough part is, because of his contract, we can’t trade him without attaching extra value if he continues to be not healthy

I hate it here lol
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:05 am    Post subject:

alleyoop wrote:
TMG wrote:
alleyoop wrote:
TMG wrote:
miggz23 wrote:
RUI/JHS for Schroder/Hield

Gabe/SRPs for Valenciunas

AD/Valenciunas/Hayes
Lebron/Wood
DFS/Vando/Knecht
Max/Hield/Cam/Bronny
AR/Schroder/Shake



Why would the warriors do that trade??

Valenciunas is not the answer for this team.

You'll understand soon enough this team is (bleep) and all these trade scenarios are a waste

Still respectfully disagree with the last statement

Get rid of one-dimensional Rui and no-dimensional Hayes for better, more well-rounded players, replace Clunky Cam with Vando once he gets back, and we should be a good amount better... provided JJ gets his head screwed on right and stops relying on terrible defensive schemes



Vando is at least two weeks away and after two weeks he'll be two more weeks away.

You know JJ might as well do a Thibs and play like a tight 8 man rotation.

And if that’s the case - the tough part is, because of his contract, we can’t trade him without attaching extra value if he continues to be not healthy

I hate it here lol



Yeah it's been a rough two seasons

Really Lebron/AD duo haven't had luck on their side either. That 2021 season should have been a repeat but series of freak injuries killed us and then the WB trade made it even worse. I still feel we should have just ran it back with the same team with maybe a few tweaks but we opted to gut it all. Just an absolute killer.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:47 am    Post subject:

alleyoop wrote:
miggz23 wrote:
RUI/JHS for Schroder/Hield

Gabe/SRPs for Valenciunas

AD/Valenciunas/Hayes
Lebron/Wood
DFS/Vando/Knecht
Max/Hield/Cam/Bronny
AR/Schroder/Shake

I mean, why does GSW do that


Warriors are struggling with both guys. Schroder does not fit next to Curry, and Hield been inconsistent for them. They need a shake up as much we do.

We need a 3rd ballhandler scorer in Schroder. Rui fits the Warriors free flowing offense better also and can play the PF for them.

But I think it might need to be a separate deal. I think Schroder can only be traded alone.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:04 am    Post subject:

miggz23 wrote:
alleyoop wrote:
miggz23 wrote:
RUI/JHS for Schroder/Hield

Gabe/SRPs for Valenciunas

AD/Valenciunas/Hayes
Lebron/Wood
DFS/Vando/Knecht
Max/Hield/Cam/Bronny
AR/Schroder/Shake

I mean, why does GSW do that


Warriors are struggling with both guys. Schroder does not fit next to Curry, and Hield been inconsistent for them. They need a shake up as much we do.

We need a 3rd ballhandler scorer in Schroder. Rui fits the Warriors free flowing offense better also and can play the PF for them.

But I think it might need to be a separate deal. I think Schroder can only be traded alone.

He can be aggregated basically right on the deadline, but I think the Warriors will be thinking bigger with using his salary. Also, wouldn’t Rui be coming off the bench there if he’s playing more PF? Unless Dray permanently starts at C

I agree we need a 3rd ballhandler, plus need to replicate or improve on the ppg Rui provides, if we trade him
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I hate the idea of going into the summer with his expiring contract, but man, a healthy Lonzo is becoming more and more tempting
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:10 am    Post subject:

Ya'll keep getting rid of pieces that you'll then later actually need after you got rid of the previous ones.

You got rid of the ball handling scoring guard because "We need defense."

And now because you don't get as much offense because you got defense, you need a ball handling scoring guard again.

It goes on and on in circles.

We SHOULD have been focusing on using the proper lineups first and THEN plugging in spots.

As it stands we need scoring off the bench, Rui needs to be moved there. And then we'll actually see if DFS can make a significant difference with the starting lineup and do what we traded him for and if Rui can make up for what we lost from DLO coming off the bench for us as a scoring 6th man.

Once we get those two things figured out, we can start working on filling up other weaknesses. So that we won't wind up getting rid of things we'll need down the line because what we got didn't compensate for what we lost.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:19 am    Post subject:

This team is mediocre as is. Shifting the lineups around is like rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.. Sure, DFS should start over Rui but that won't transform us from a play-in team to a contender.

There's also no trade out there that can catapult us into contender status. This team has too many flaws. Even with moves to shore up some of these flaws, our ceiling is a WCF exit. The upper echelon of the NBA are in a stratosphere that we cannot reach.
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Ya'll keep getting rid of pieces that you'll then later actually need after you got rid of the previous ones.

You got rid of the ball handling scoring guard because "We need defense."

And now because you don't get as much offense because you got defense, you need a ball handling scoring guard again.

It goes on and on in circles.

We SHOULD have been focusing on using the proper lineups first and THEN plugging in spots.

As it stands we need scoring off the bench, Rui needs to be moved there. And then we'll actually see if DFS can make a significant difference with the starting lineup and do what we traded him for and if Rui can make up for what we lost from DLO coming off the bench for us as a scoring 6th man.

Once we get those two things figured out, we can start working on filling up other weaknesses. So that we won't wind up getting rid of things we'll need down the line because what we got didn't compensate for what we lost.

I mean clearly, the first thing that needs to happen is the DFS for Rui switch. I’m confident that starting lineup can look really good, provided it’s used in the right way (ie no switching AD onto the perimeter)

I think with or without that change, we still distinctly lack rebounding and playmaking, so I’d be hoping we’re preparing in advance by scouting the market looking for players that can fill those weaknesses

It’s not as simple as saying ‘why didn’t we trade Rui instead of DLo, if you think we still need playmaking’, either - DFS was a desirable asset that BKN seemed keen to move, so to get him over the line DLo was likely the more desirable contract to receive in return, for them
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This team is mediocre as is. Shifting the lineups around is like rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.. Sure, DFS should start over Rui but that won't transform us from a play-in team to a contender.

There's also no trade out there that can catapult us into contender status. This team has too many flaws. Even with moves to shore up some of these flaws, our ceiling is a WCF exit. The upper echelon of the NBA are in a stratosphere that we cannot reach.


This. And then add that although JJ might someday be the coach he's been hyped to be, he isn't that this year. We will be outcoached, out-sized, out-shot and out-athleticized by all the actual contenders. This roster and coaching staff is a bad impression of a good team.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:38 am    Post subject:

Reaves had a bad game, but we lost the lead when he was on the bench at the end of the third quarter. Barnes was targeting him but they lost the lead long before that became the main problem.

This is just one of those games where LBJ showed his age and made a sh*tload of turnovers.

Everyone other than Bron, Rui and AD couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

Speaking of which, if you are going to play Rui 30 minutes, why don't you get him more than six shots.

If the human statue isn't going to rebound, at least keep feeding him the ball.

This looked like a Ham 2.0 game.

I feel bad for JJ but he made no adjustments when we started to fall behind. It's just alternate giving the ball to AD and Bron and that's not going to work because teams know where the ball is going.

A trade wouldn't change anything here. The players just need to make their shots. Especially their f*cking free throws.

We aren't a title caliber team, but we should have won this game.

It was a gutless performance. The opposite of what the Rams did in Arizona.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:39 am    Post subject:

Austin + Rui + Hayes + JHS + 2FRp

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:41 am    Post subject:

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Austin + Rui + Hayes + JHS + 2FRp

Fox


This is creating the 2017 Pelicans with no future draft picks.

Bron is getting old and AD and Fox won't win anything.

Without the picks, sure.

With the picks, no f*cking way.
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Ya'll keep getting rid of pieces that you'll then later actually need after you got rid of the previous ones.

You got rid of the ball handling scoring guard because "We need defense."

And now because you don't get as much offense because you got defense, you need a ball handling scoring guard again.

It goes on and on in circles.


Exactly what I thought too which is why if I were trading the first round pick, I would only trade for a two-way player.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:25 am    Post subject:

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Ya'll keep getting rid of pieces that you'll then later actually need after you got rid of the previous ones.

You got rid of the ball handling scoring guard because "We need defense."

And now because you don't get as much offense because you got defense, you need a ball handling scoring guard again.

It goes on and on in circles.

We SHOULD have been focusing on using the proper lineups first and THEN plugging in spots.

As it stands we need scoring off the bench, Rui needs to be moved there. And then we'll actually see if DFS can make a significant difference with the starting lineup and do what we traded him for and if Rui can make up for what we lost from DLO coming off the bench for us as a scoring 6th man.

Once we get those two things figured out, we can start working on filling up other weaknesses. So that we won't wind up getting rid of things we'll need down the line because what we got didn't compensate for what we lost.

I mean clearly, the first thing that needs to happen is the DFS for Rui switch. I’m confident that starting lineup can look really good, provided it’s used in the right way (ie no switching AD onto the perimeter)

I think with or without that change, we still distinctly lack rebounding and playmaking, so I’d be hoping we’re preparing in advance by scouting the market looking for players that can fill those weaknesses

It’s not as simple as saying ‘why didn’t we trade Rui instead of DLo, if you think we still need playmaking’, either - DFS was a desirable asset that BKN seemed keen to move, so to get him over the line DLo was likely the more desirable contract to receive in return, for them


Indeed, and if we were trading DLo we had to either get a player back to do what he did, or we had to be able to replace what he did. We can't. But at the very least getting DFS for defense that we lean into that, we didn't trade Dlo for a guy that comes off the bench and plays defense. We traded DLO for a starter that is meant to play defense to help the starting lineup.

We can't replicate Dlo's scoring and passing, but we can at least ask Rui Hachimura to emulate the scoring DLo gave us off the bench in the role JJ picked for him, and moving DFS to the starting lineup to see if he actually makes that kind of difference.

Playing him 20 mins a game off the bench is a waste of what we got him for and more importantly what we got rid of for him. Start DFS, with Reaves, Max, LeBron and AD, and see if that works, and if Rui coming off the bench as a 6th man can sustain that scoring and help it.

Figure that out and then move forward strengthening the team. Its our best statistical lineup, lead with that.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:44 am    Post subject:

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I really want Austin Reaves on the trade block. I'm not saying to just trade him for anything, but I don't understand how he's even close to "untouchable" level.

I swear I don't think he's a complete scrub or anything, but he's really not nearly as good as the front office makes him out to be.


We could have had Dejounte Murray for him, but apparently he's untouchable.
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Japago wrote:
I really want Austin Reaves on the trade block. I'm not saying to just trade him for anything, but I don't understand how he's even close to "untouchable" level.

I swear I don't think he's a complete scrub or anything, but he's really not nearly as good as the front office makes him out to be.


We could have had Dejounte Murray for him, but apparently he's untouchable.

You mean the guy averaging less ppg than Reaves, shooting 39% from the field and 29% from deep, with not much better defense?

I’m not saying Reaves is invincible/untouchable, but the most effective means of improvement is looking beyond him
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alleyoop wrote:
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Japago wrote:
I really want Austin Reaves on the trade block. I'm not saying to just trade him for anything, but I don't understand how he's even close to "untouchable" level.

I swear I don't think he's a complete scrub or anything, but he's really not nearly as good as the front office makes him out to be.


We could have had Dejounte Murray for him, but apparently he's untouchable.

You mean the guy averaging less ppg than Reaves, shooting 39% from the field and 29% from deep, with not much better defense?

I’m not saying Reaves is invincible/untouchable, but the most effective means of improvement is looking beyond him


If yiu want to trade Reaves, might as well get Jimmy Butler
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MJST wrote:
Ya'll keep getting rid of pieces that you'll then later actually need after you got rid of the previous ones.

You got rid of the ball handling scoring guard because "We need defense."

And now because you don't get as much offense because you got defense, you need a ball handling scoring guard again.

It goes on and on in circles.

We SHOULD have been focusing on using the proper lineups first and THEN plugging in spots.

As it stands we need scoring off the bench, Rui needs to be moved there. And then we'll actually see if DFS can make a significant difference with the starting lineup and do what we traded him for and if Rui can make up for what we lost from DLO coming off the bench for us as a scoring 6th man.

Once we get those two things figured out, we can start working on filling up other weaknesses. So that we won't wind up getting rid of things we'll need down the line because what we got didn't compensate for what we lost.

I mean clearly, the first thing that needs to happen is the DFS for Rui switch. I’m confident that starting lineup can look really good, provided it’s used in the right way (ie no switching AD onto the perimeter)

I think with or without that change, we still distinctly lack rebounding and playmaking, so I’d be hoping we’re preparing in advance by scouting the market looking for players that can fill those weaknesses

It’s not as simple as saying ‘why didn’t we trade Rui instead of DLo, if you think we still need playmaking’, either - DFS was a desirable asset that BKN seemed keen to move, so to get him over the line DLo was likely the more desirable contract to receive in return, for them


Indeed, and if we were trading DLo we had to either get a player back to do what he did, or we had to be able to replace what he did. We can't. But at the very least getting DFS for defense that we lean into that, we didn't trade Dlo for a guy that comes off the bench and plays defense. We traded DLO for a starter that is meant to play defense to help the starting lineup.

We can't replicate Dlo's scoring and passing, but we can at least ask Rui Hachimura to emulate the scoring DLo gave us off the bench in the role JJ picked for him, and moving DFS to the starting lineup to see if he actually makes that kind of difference.

Playing him 20 mins a game off the bench is a waste of what we got him for and more importantly what we got rid of for him. Start DFS, with Reaves, Max, LeBron and AD, and see if that works, and if Rui coming off the bench as a 6th man can sustain that scoring and help it.

Figure that out and then move forward strengthening the team. It’s our best statistical lineup, lead with that.

Agree mostly. I think DFS is more of a ‘playoffs’ player than DLo, especially given they make basically the same money (which is why I really liked the trade in isolation), but we would be dumb to give up assets + DLo for a guy, then end up not starting that guy

JJ’s time to shine
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leking006 wrote:
alleyoop wrote:
Dominator wrote:
Japago wrote:
I really want Austin Reaves on the trade block. I'm not saying to just trade him for anything, but I don't understand how he's even close to "untouchable" level.

I swear I don't think he's a complete scrub or anything, but he's really not nearly as good as the front office makes him out to be.


We could have had Dejounte Murray for him, but apparently he's untouchable.

You mean the guy averaging less ppg than Reaves, shooting 39% from the field and 29% from deep, with not much better defense?

I’m not saying Reaves is invincible/untouchable, but the most effective means of improvement is looking beyond him


If yiu want to trade Reaves, might as well get Jimmy Butler

Or just not trading Reaves at all, given no-one that’ll be an improvement on him this year will be worth the 25-30mil in extra player capital we also give up
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MJST wrote:
alleyoop wrote:
MJST wrote:
Ya'll keep getting rid of pieces that you'll then later actually need after you got rid of the previous ones.

You got rid of the ball handling scoring guard because "We need defense."

And now because you don't get as much offense because you got defense, you need a ball handling scoring guard again.

It goes on and on in circles.

We SHOULD have been focusing on using the proper lineups first and THEN plugging in spots.

As it stands we need scoring off the bench, Rui needs to be moved there. And then we'll actually see if DFS can make a significant difference with the starting lineup and do what we traded him for and if Rui can make up for what we lost from DLO coming off the bench for us as a scoring 6th man.

Once we get those two things figured out, we can start working on filling up other weaknesses. So that we won't wind up getting rid of things we'll need down the line because what we got didn't compensate for what we lost.

I mean clearly, the first thing that needs to happen is the DFS for Rui switch. I’m confident that starting lineup can look really good, provided it’s used in the right way (ie no switching AD onto the perimeter)

I think with or without that change, we still distinctly lack rebounding and playmaking, so I’d be hoping we’re preparing in advance by scouting the market looking for players that can fill those weaknesses

It’s not as simple as saying ‘why didn’t we trade Rui instead of DLo, if you think we still need playmaking’, either - DFS was a desirable asset that BKN seemed keen to move, so to get him over the line DLo was likely the more desirable contract to receive in return, for them


Indeed, and if we were trading DLo we had to either get a player back to do what he did, or we had to be able to replace what he did. We can't. But at the very least getting DFS for defense that we lean into that, we didn't trade Dlo for a guy that comes off the bench and plays defense. We traded DLO for a starter that is meant to play defense to help the starting lineup.

We can't replicate Dlo's scoring and passing, but we can at least ask Rui Hachimura to emulate the scoring DLo gave us off the bench in the role JJ picked for him, and moving DFS to the starting lineup to see if he actually makes that kind of difference.

Playing him 20 mins a game off the bench is a waste of what we got him for and more importantly what we got rid of for him. Start DFS, with Reaves, Max, LeBron and AD, and see if that works, and if Rui coming off the bench as a 6th man can sustain that scoring and help it.

Figure that out and then move forward strengthening the team. It’s our best statistical lineup, lead with that.

Agree mostly. I think DFS is more of a ‘playoffs’ player than DLo, especially given they make basically the same money (which is why I really liked the trade in isolation), but we would be dumb to give up assets + DLo for a guy, then end up not starting that guy

JJ’s time to shine


Exactly. If we traded DLo for DFS and are just gonna play DFS 20 mins off the bench than we may as well had held onto DLO for a bigger trade and tried moving someone else for DFS.
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Honestly I won't be surprised if the FO doesn't invest further in this team in any real way that's going to make a difference....this team doesn't have "it"....not hungry enough, they don't play like a team that believes they are competing for a championship...and honestly that stems from Bron and AD...Bron is old and clearly coasts a lot, which is understandable, but it's bad for the team....AD is wildly inconsistent when it comes to wanting to be dominate.....these two stars if we are being real can not anchor a championship squad, because they don't play consistently like championship level players.

I think the FO has already come to terms they are going to send LBJ off into the sunset in grand fashion at some point, they'll field a decent team around him and that's it...because he provides top tier box office, but B level performance and that's not going to cut if for the highest paid player on the team who is the central focus.

AD and Bron good pairing to start, but now you need like LBJ and Giannis, Edwards, Shai, even someone like Trae in terms of mind set, someone who want to go out dominate every night at a star level, moving Bron to being the sidekick, that's where I think we are at. So unless they move AD to get that 1 A STAR I don't see a way out for this team.
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