Rui is likely to be in between what we saw at the RS and post season. Neither as good a shooter as the PS but way better than the RS. My guess is he’s going to give us 13-14 ppg, and some size.
It’s sort of crazy how many quality role players the team has right now to rely on. The team was depleted a year ago and a year later are stacked with depth.
My only concern is that we are heavy on forwards but lack a legit power player and also don’t have the same depth at guard we did last season. Mainly, unless someone really steps up on defense at the 1-2, we are prone to the same weaknesses that were exploited by Denver. A combination of physical bigs inside plus strong perimeter shooting will hurt us.
Fortunately in the West I only see 2 teams that have the combination of power inside plus shooting outside to bother us. The rest of the West, AD led frontline can take. The Warriors didn’t do anything to address their weakness inside. They are a team that could’ve hurt us if they added some power inside but did nothing. Kerr seems to have forgot he had Bogut when he won titles and McGee too. When you don’t have talent like Durant to pair with Curry/Klay/Dray, you certainly need some size. He seems to be making the same mistakes in the FIBA. It’s weird as Golden State with a starting level big can take on anyone. Without that big, they are beatable.
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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 6:20 am Post subject:
JUST-MING wrote:
Is the mercenary era officially over?
Hope so. Big fan of investing my fandom in our players that show that it factor in P&G. OK when we need to make the deal (AD) but letting guys go (Caruso) have it and fit has been tough. _________________ Thanks Danny Ainge!
Rui is likely to be in between what we saw at the RS and post season. Neither as good a shooter as the PS but way better than the RS. My guess is he’s going to give us 13-14 ppg, and some size.
It’s sort of crazy how many quality role players the team has right now to rely on. The team was depleted a year ago and a year later are stacked with depth.
My only concern is that we are heavy on forwards but lack a legit power player and also don’t have the same depth at guard we did last season. Mainly, unless someone really steps up on defense at the 1-2, we are prone to the same weaknesses that were exploited by Denver. A combination of physical bigs inside plus strong perimeter shooting will hurt us.
Fortunately in the West I only see 2 teams that have the combination of power inside plus shooting outside to bother us. The rest of the West, AD led frontline can take. The Warriors didn’t do anything to address their weakness inside. They are a team that could’ve hurt us if they added some power inside but did nothing. Kerr seems to have forgot he had Bogut when he won titles and McGee too. When you don’t have talent like Durant to pair with Curry/Klay/Dray, you certainly need some size. He seems to be making the same mistakes in the FIBA. It’s weird as Golden State with a starting level big can take on anyone. Without that big, they are beatable.
Eh the kid is 25years old and has been working his ass off this off-season with Phil handy.
Hope so. Big fan of investing my fandom in our players that show that it factor in P&G. OK when we need to make the deal (AD) but letting guys go (Caruso) have it and fit has been tough.
Never liked rotating 8+ players out every year, bringing in mercenaries on 1year deals. The Lakers seem…at least for now…to have settled on their team for the next 3-4 years with AnD/Rui/Van/ARe/Vin and I’m all for it! I would have expected Rui to get the 4yr and Van to get the 3yr instead of the other way around like it happened based on their post season play but not gonna complain since there appears to be a plan to stabilize the roster for a couple years.
Also, I would have liked to bet on Dlo with a 3yr deal (team option for last yr) that perhaps may have starter higher to go with a 4yr deal for Rui that perhaps could starter lower but again nothing to complain about. Dlo has a make or break season coming up but either way (current deal or fantasy 3yr team option) if Dlo sucks he would have been under contract next year (would pick up his option if bad year) but if he soars we now loose a reasonable contract and would have to pay more next year instead of benefitting financially for an extra year if he is has a good year.
Again, not gonna complain over nit-picking stuff. If Dlo good he opts out and we pay more to resign, if bad then trade expiring. Overall I like the direction. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
“My sense is that the Blazers have done a lot more talking with teams in the last say 10 to 14 days than they did probably in at least a month plus prior,” Woj said. “And a big part of that is the league is back to work now after Labor Day, and training camp is starting to approach. And that’s the next real deadline in this process.
“But I think Portland, what they’ve been trying to do, is see how they could put together multi-team deals that would get them the assets that they would want: draft picks, young players. “There might be a team that their best asset is a veteran player that doesn’t interest the Blazers, but there’s a third team who might want to take on that veteran and then send whether it’s a young player or picks in part to Portland. – via Net Income @ NetsDaily
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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 9:32 am Post subject:
RI Laker wrote:
King Randle wrote:
RI Laker wrote:
Rui will not duplicate his post season. That being said, he is versatile on both sides of the floor and I still think he may be under rated by some.
You don’t know that for certain. I actually see Rui’s production going up and Bron’s going down. Bron is going to be 39….his foot hasn’t been healing as quickly as they had hoped for. So look for Bron to be in the 26-30 minute range to start the season.
I hope I'm wrong (I love Rui's game) but I still do not see him duplicating his playoff run. During the quarterfinals, he averaged over 14 points and over 52% from 3.
If he would be guarding PFs I would feel better but last season his foot speed was poor trying to guard SFs. Lebron can’t guard SFs, Rui had trouble guarding SFs. And most contenders have strong SFs, it could be a problem. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
To me Vando has a better chance of being a disappointment then Rui, I don’t think Vando is gonna be all that different from last year but Rui to me might end up coming into the season with a new mindset
I don’t think Lonnie would have had as big a role as he will in Brooklyn. His priority at the minimum is minutes.
He would have been behind ARe in LALakers where he’s familiar with teammates and coaches, he’s behind Mikal Bridges in BKN starting new. Doesn’t seem like playing time will be better, maybe it’s a different reason that hasn’t been uncovered yet. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
I will admit that Ham has improved along the way, but I still think he occasionally has problems with his rotations. He has never had this kind of depth (great problem to have) since coaching the Lakers. Is he going to be able to handle it? I'm sure he is going to alienate at least one of the players we think will have a role (if not more).
Next summer I can see the following Rui $17M, DLo $18.7M and Vando $13.4M totaling $49.1M
Looks who is making $48.8M ... Giannis
Pelinka is playing 3 dimensional chess at this point.
For sure, they would move those pieces for Giannis. But I can't see Milwaukee do that without getting more draft assets/young players. Likely, you'd see DLO go to a 3rd team. And for sure you'd have to include the 2029 pick and JHS. Even then, I doubt Bucks would move Giannis for anything short of a hiest.
Next summer I can see the following Rui $17M, DLo $18.7M and Vando $13.4M totaling $49.1M
Looks who is making $48.8M ... Giannis
Pelinka is playing 3 dimensional chess at this point.
For sure, they would move those pieces for Giannis. But I can't see Milwaukee do that without getting more draft assets/young players. Likely, you'd see DLO go to a 3rd team. And for sure you'd have to include the 2029 pick and JHS. Even then, I doubt Bucks would move Giannis for anything short of a hiest.
Right. Just because you have enough salary ballast doesn't mean you have a competitive trade package. There would also be an issue with unloading most of our depth for a guy who is not entirely complimentary to Davis and Lebron, but that's a whole topic of its own. _________________ Internet Argument Resolved
Next summer I can see the following Rui $17M, DLo $18.7M and Vando $13.4M totaling $49.1M
Looks who is making $48.8M ... Giannis
Pelinka is playing 3 dimensional chess at this point.
For sure, they would move those pieces for Giannis. But I can't see Milwaukee do that without getting more draft assets/young players. Likely, you'd see DLO go to a 3rd team. And for sure you'd have to include the 2029 pick and JHS. Even then, I doubt Bucks would move Giannis for anything short of a hiest.
I should have included plus one or two picks. Our ACE is Giannis, he can dictate where he goes since he's got a player option in 2025.
So Bucks can get something or nothing. Bucks can trade him and Giannis can tell the team that wants him, I'm not signing with you.
Look at the Portland situation w/Dame. It's the same thing that could happen w/Giannis. The beauty is Giannis can be an FA in 2025.
Next summer I can see the following Rui $17M, DLo $18.7M and Vando $13.4M totaling $49.1M
Looks who is making $48.8M ... Giannis
Pelinka is playing 3 dimensional chess at this point.
For sure, they would move those pieces for Giannis. But I can't see Milwaukee do that without getting more draft assets/young players. Likely, you'd see DLO go to a 3rd team. And for sure you'd have to include the 2029 pick and JHS. Even then, I doubt Bucks would move Giannis for anything short of a hiest.
The Lakers package would be on par with what they gave up for AD and he was about 5 years younger than Giannis will be. It's about the best Milwaukee should expect. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:44 am Post subject:
manlisten wrote:
wolfpaclaker wrote:
LakerFan1987 wrote:
Next summer I can see the following Rui $17M, DLo $18.7M and Vando $13.4M totaling $49.1M
Looks who is making $48.8M ... Giannis
Pelinka is playing 3 dimensional chess at this point.
For sure, they would move those pieces for Giannis. But I can't see Milwaukee do that without getting more draft assets/young players. Likely, you'd see DLO go to a 3rd team. And for sure you'd have to include the 2029 pick and JHS. Even then, I doubt Bucks would move Giannis for anything short of a hiest.
The Lakers package would be on par with what they gave up for AD and he was about 5 years younger than Giannis will be. It's about the best Milwaukee should expect.
The AD package was way better.
Former #2 pick and future all star in Ingram, #4 pick, which would have been future all star in Darius Garland (though Pelicans traded down), former #2 pick Lonzo Ball, starting caliber player Josh Hart, multiple first round picks and swaps.
None of Rui, DLO, and Vanderbilt are close to being worth what Ingram or the #4 pick was. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Next summer I can see the following Rui $17M, DLo $18.7M and Vando $13.4M totaling $49.1M
Looks who is making $48.8M ... Giannis
Pelinka is playing 3 dimensional chess at this point.
For sure, they would move those pieces for Giannis. But I can't see Milwaukee do that without getting more draft assets/young players. Likely, you'd see DLO go to a 3rd team. And for sure you'd have to include the 2029 pick and JHS. Even then, I doubt Bucks would move Giannis for anything short of a hiest.
The Lakers package would be on par with what they gave up for AD and he was about 5 years younger than Giannis will be. It's about the best Milwaukee should expect.
The AD package was way better.
Former #2 pick and future all star in Ingram, #4 pick, which would have been future all star in Darius Garland (though Pelicans traded down), former #2 pick Lonzo Ball, starting caliber player Josh Hart, multiple first round picks and swaps.
None of Rui, DLO, and Vanderbilt are close to being worth what Ingram or the #4 pick was.
I'm going off of their actual production and not draft position. But even then D'lo is a #2 pick and one-time all star himself. Ingram was coming off of a career threatening medical condition, Lonzo and Hart are role players. And again Giannis will be 5 years older than AD was so of course the AD package should be better but it's still comparable. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
I'm going off of their actual production and not draft position. But even then D'lo is a #2 pick and one-time all star himself. Ingram was coming off of a career threatening medical condition, Lonzo and Hart are role players. And again Giannis will be 5 years older than AD was so of course the AD package should be better but it's still comparable.
Okay, but you should really focus on their value at the time. At the time of the Davis trade, Ingram and Ball had a lot more value than Russell does now. The age difference is a fair point, but I'm not sure how much weight it gets. _________________ Internet Argument Resolved
If you were emptying the clip, next summer the Lakers could offer 3 firsts (24/25, 29, 31), 3 swaps (26, 28, 30), Hood-Schifino, Maxwell Lewis, Rui Hachimura and D’Angelo Russell. That might not be the top package, but it’s close enough to pass muster imo if Giannis is telling teams he wants LA.
I think having a plausible offer for Giannis is a specific objective the team is working towards. It remains to be seen if he would want to play here over other options, though I could see him wanting to play for Darvin though.
I'm going off of their actual production and not draft position. But even then D'lo is a #2 pick and one-time all star himself. Ingram was coming off of a career threatening medical condition, Lonzo and Hart are role players. And again Giannis will be 5 years older than AD was so of course the AD package should be better but it's still comparable.
Okay, but you should really focus on their value at the time. At the time of the Davis trade, Ingram and Ball had a lot more value than Russell does now. The age difference is a fair point, but I'm not sure how much weight it gets.
I'd say this is a revisionist take. Lonzo was widely considered a bust and there was no promise he'd ever fix his shot. No one was projecting him to be more than a good role player and even that wasn't a sure thing. I personally was high on Ingram's potential but from what I remember, many on this forum weren't. He also took a significant and unexpected leap in 3%. The age difference holds a ton of weight because the Lakers are setup to get almost a decade of high level play from AD to the point where they have 2 separate championship windows with and without LeBron. They can't expect more than 4-5 years from Giannis and that should be reflected in the cost. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
If you were emptying the clip, next summer the Lakers could offer 3 firsts (24/25, 29, 31), 3 swaps (26, 28, 30), Hood-Schifino, Maxwell Lewis, Rui Hachimura and D’Angelo Russell. That might not be the top package, but it’s close enough to pass muster imo if Giannis is telling teams he wants LA.
I think having a plausible offer for Giannis is a specific objective the team is working towards. It remains to be seen if he would want to play here over other options, though I could see him wanting to play for Darvin though.
That's way too much to give up for a 30 year old. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
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