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Japago
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| LakerSD wrote: | | Japago wrote: | The Lakers have missed recently with Max Christie and THT. Not giving Matt Ryan a real chance might have been a mistake as well.
They did find Austin Reaves and Alex Caruso. It seems like the Lakers have done better with undrafted players than with drafted players.
The Lakers are missing the scouting that found Josh Hart, Larry Nance, Jordan Clarkson, and Kyle Kuzma. IIRC, Kuzma was the only guy found with the current scouting team. |
Disagree on giving guys a chance. I think they figure out what they can do and see if they are in plans or not. Not retaining Caruso is the only glaring mistake I see.
Still early on Max Christie.
As for the Matt Ryans of the world, we have seen that movie 5 million times. The pressure of putting on the Lakers jersey impacts the players. It doesn’t matter the name, you can decrease at least 5% to 3 point shooting pct when these guys put a Laker jersey on. We are seeing it with Taurean Prince and Gabe Vincent. Prince made all his 3s vs. the Lakers when he was with the Hawks and Wolves. Puts on a Laker jersey, and the bricks begin. |
I'm talking about the level of scouting and drafting of the Lakers recently.
The Lakers could've used instant contributors like the guys I mentioned and not THT and Christie. On a team trying to win right now, having an extra 2 contributors could be pretty big right now. If for nothing else, it would've made it easier to trade the highly paid role players the Lakers have for a talent upgrade.
Christie has not played NBA-level basketball and he's in his 2nd season. It's not looking good for him. |
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The instant contributors they have taken have been undrafted players. Alex Caruso. Austin Reaves. Colin Castleton.
Most teams use draft picks on upside/potential not instant contributor.
That's why some here are okay with throwing away picks because of their success in the undrafted free agent pool. |
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| RI Laker wrote: | | I'm surprised the window has not closed on us by now. We are playing with house money. Hopefully we make that splash again when the time comes (I'm looking for fit instead of a big name). Lets enjoy being a contender while we can because it is inevitable that we are going to hit some dire times in the very near future. |
They just played 39 yo Lebron 35 minutes to beat a last place Portland team. A big splash is needed.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | I'm surprised the window has not closed on us by now. We are playing with house money. Hopefully we make that splash again when the time comes (I'm looking for fit instead of a big name). Lets enjoy being a contender while we can because it is inevitable that we are going to hit some dire times in the very near future. |
They just played 39 yo Lebron 35 minutes to beat a last place Portland team. A big splash is needed. |
I agree that it is sad that it took that much Lebron to beat a currently bad team.
The question is: Is the Lakers team THAT bad?.......or are they not being coached properly?
I know Davis is inconsistent, etc, but I think it is the latter, i.e., Ham. |
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| Getting real tired of Taurean Prince. someone needs to check if this dude is partying to much after games, no sense of pride what so ever besides a few occasional decent effort in some spurts, there is no other choice but to trade him in a package |
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Japago
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If AD stuggles, the supporting cast has to be amazing to barely win. If the supporting cast struggles, AD has to be amazing to barely win. All this is assuming LeBron has a great game and the Lakers played really good defense.
The required good games isn't going to cut it long term.
As good as D'Lo has looked at times this season, someone more consistent than him is required as the 3rd option. Even the combo of him, AR, and Rui isn't consistent enough to provide that.
None of those guys are scrubs. People keep thinking I'm saying that.
It's just the reality of the needs of this team. It's not fair to ask LeBron to be so good from beginning of the season to the end of the season. It's getting difficult for AD to have monster games AND cover a lot for the Lakers defensively.
This team needs a REAL boost to the offense.
21% from 3 compared to 38% for the Rockets. Winning 105 to 104, a very low scoring game in today's NBA. |
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Brawn13
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| We should just go all in on defense at the deadline and accept any shooter that comes here will be shook by the pressure of being a Laker. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Getting real tired of Taurean Prince. someone needs to check if this dude is partying to much after games, no sense of pride what so ever besides a few occasional decent effort in some spurts, there is no other choice but to trade him in a package |
Someone please tell me WHY Ham continues to start Prince, while we get blown out in 1st quarters?! Try Hach! |
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| Valdarno wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Getting real tired of Taurean Prince. someone needs to check if this dude is partying to much after games, no sense of pride what so ever besides a few occasional decent effort in some spurts, there is no other choice but to trade him in a package |
Someone please tell me WHY Ham continues to start Prince, while we get blown out in 1st quarters?! Try Hach! |
I think there is some issues going on between Ham and Hachimura that we don’t know about, it doesn’t make sense to start a mediocre offensive player over someone who can give us 15-17pts in a starting role |
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| Valdarno wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Getting real tired of Taurean Prince. someone needs to check if this dude is partying to much after games, no sense of pride what so ever besides a few occasional decent effort in some spurts, there is no other choice but to trade him in a package |
Someone please tell me WHY Ham continues to start Prince, while we get blown out in 1st quarters?! Try Hach! |
It really is time to move Rui to the starting 5. |
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| Japago wrote: | If AD stuggles, the supporting cast has to be amazing to barely win. If the supporting cast struggles, AD has to be amazing to barely win. All this is assuming LeBron has a great game and the Lakers played really good defense.
The required good games isn't going to cut it long term.
As good as D'Lo has looked at times this season, someone more consistent than him is required as the 3rd option. Even the combo of him, AR, and Rui isn't consistent enough to provide that.
None of those guys are scrubs. People keep thinking I'm saying that.
It's just the reality of the needs of this team. It's not fair to ask LeBron to be so good from beginning of the season to the end of the season. It's getting difficult for AD to have monster games AND cover a lot for the Lakers defensively.
This team needs a REAL boost to the offense.
21% from 3 compared to 38% for the Rockets. Winning 105 to 104, a very low scoring game in today's NBA. |
If the team sacrificed depth of role players to get that 3rd option perhaps it would make the team good enough to overcome the apparent lack of coaching efficiency, or maybe not. If AR has a bad game perhaps we can win if Dlo has a good one and vice versa. That has seemingly worked a few times this season but it seems risky relying on LBJ to get 30+pts to win.
A scheme to keep AD involved without 9pt games and Rui replacing TaP, plus Vin/Van returning could be enough. I’m glad the team can’t be traded until Dec15th or more likely Jan15th so that a reasonable view of what we actually have can be shown before making a move prematurely. More Wood/Rui with less Hayes/TaP while waiting for Vin/Van seems like a better move to improve than trading Dlo.
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| Japago wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | Japago wrote: | The Lakers have missed recently with Max Christie and THT. Not giving Matt Ryan a real chance might have been a mistake as well.
They did find Austin Reaves and Alex Caruso. It seems like the Lakers have done better with undrafted players than with drafted players.
The Lakers are missing the scouting that found Josh Hart, Larry Nance, Jordan Clarkson, and Kyle Kuzma. IIRC, Kuzma was the only guy found with the current scouting team. |
Disagree on giving guys a chance. I think they figure out what they can do and see if they are in plans or not. Not retaining Caruso is the only glaring mistake I see.
Still early on Max Christie.
As for the Matt Ryans of the world, we have seen that movie 5 million times. The pressure of putting on the Lakers jersey impacts the players. It doesn’t matter the name, you can decrease at least 5% to 3 point shooting pct when these guys put a Laker jersey on. We are seeing it with Taurean Prince and Gabe Vincent. Prince made all his 3s vs. the Lakers when he was with the Hawks and Wolves. Puts on a Laker jersey, and the bricks begin. |
I'm talking about the level of scouting and drafting of the Lakers recently.
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RI Laker
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| Hopefully Ham gets a lobotomy. Rui has to get more minutes. When Vandy gets back, hopefully we see a lot less of Prince. Its criminal that he is getting almost 30 minutes a game. |
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| Japago wrote: | If AD stuggles, the supporting cast has to be amazing to barely win. If the supporting cast struggles, AD has to be amazing to barely win. All this is assuming LeBron has a great game and the Lakers played really good defense.
The required good games isn't going to cut it long term.
As good as D'Lo has looked at times this season, someone more consistent than him is required as the 3rd option. Even the combo of him, AR, and Rui isn't consistent enough to provide that.
None of those guys are scrubs. People keep thinking I'm saying that.
It's just the reality of the needs of this team. It's not fair to ask LeBron to be so good from beginning of the season to the end of the season. It's getting difficult for AD to have monster games AND cover a lot for the Lakers defensively.
This team needs a REAL boost to the offense.
21% from 3 compared to 38% for the Rockets. Winning 105 to 104, a very low scoring game in today's NBA. |
You’re describing the problem without knowing you are. It’s not fair to ask Lebron? He’s Bron!!! In the NBA, with the restrictions of the salary cap you don’t have the luxury of just paying a star almost half your salary cap and keep him on ice because he’s too old. I agree that the role players have to be more consistent but they are called role players for a reason.
No matter how you slice this, it’s hard and not ideal to build a contender around a 38 year old super duper star. Consolidate role players into a 3rd star and you become top heavy like the RW situation or Beal situation in Phoenix. An injury or two away from falling off the face of the world. Best bet is to ride it out, hope AR becomes that 3rd star like we thought he could be. Then the big games from Dlo or Rui become automatic wins and their off nights don’t feel so frustrating.
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Japago wrote: | If AD stuggles, the supporting cast has to be amazing to barely win. If the supporting cast struggles, AD has to be amazing to barely win. All this is assuming LeBron has a great game and the Lakers played really good defense.
The required good games isn't going to cut it long term.
As good as D'Lo has looked at times this season, someone more consistent than him is required as the 3rd option. Even the combo of him, AR, and Rui isn't consistent enough to provide that.
None of those guys are scrubs. People keep thinking I'm saying that.
It's just the reality of the needs of this team. It's not fair to ask LeBron to be so good from beginning of the season to the end of the season. It's getting difficult for AD to have monster games AND cover a lot for the Lakers defensively.
This team needs a REAL boost to the offense.
21% from 3 compared to 38% for the Rockets. Winning 105 to 104, a very low scoring game in today's NBA. |
If the team sacrificed depth of role players to get that 3rd option perhaps it would make the team good enough to overcome the apparent lack of coaching efficiency, or maybe not. If AR has a bad game perhaps we can win if Dlo has a good one and vice versa. That has seemingly worked a few times this season but it seems risky relying on LBJ to get 30+pts to win.
A scheme to keep AD involved without 9pt games and Rui replacing TaP, plus Vin/Van returning could be enough. I’m glad the team can’t be traded until Dec15th or more likely Jan15th so that a reasonable view of what we actually have can be shown before making a move prematurely. More Wood/Rui with less Hayes/TaP while waiting for Vin/Van seems like a better move to improve than trading Dlo. |
This team has a higher floor but playoff ceiling is too limited. We are still heavy reliant on Lebron on offense and AD can’t erase every try mistakes on defensive end. I just don’t see how Lebron can carry us offensively throughout the playoff anymore but I believe AD can defensively on but we can’t overextend him on regular season run We need a viable offensive threat who can be our primary when it’s needed . AR is good enough for regular season but he does not have physical attributes to impose his will when it matters. We also need a defensive that can anchor our defense without AD. Our team is in much better position though than last year. I expect a move or 2 by trade deadline. |
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| rock0100 wrote: | | Valdarno wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Getting real tired of Taurean Prince. someone needs to check if this dude is partying to much after games, no sense of pride what so ever besides a few occasional decent effort in some spurts, there is no other choice but to trade him in a package |
Someone please tell me WHY Ham continues to start Prince, while we get blown out in 1st quarters?! Try Hach! |
It really is time to move Rui to the starting 5. |
Then we can have no one who can defend opposing SFs.
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Prince was especially bad last night. 1-11, right? I mean, you have to stop shooting if you are that terrible. 2 points in 24 minutes is crap.
I agree, Rui should start. We need more fire power in the first quarters.
When you got a guy producing very little, it hurts the team.
Reaves has been better lately, as has Russell - but both get burned defensively so I am looking forward to getting Vando out there. Russell had 4 points in 24 minutes yesterday. He has to do better. |
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| Wizards are already looking to move on from Jordan Poole.. I’m pretty sure a contender isn’t gonna mind trading for him |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Wizards are already looking to move on from Jordan Poole. |
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Wizards are already looking to move on from Jordan Poole. |
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Lol Poole is a clown. He thinks he's Steph, but he's really a chucker. |
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| defense wrote: | | JUST-MING wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Wizards are already looking to move on from Jordan Poole. |
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Lol Poole is a clown. He thinks he's Steph, but he's really a chucker. |
It’s Kuzma’s team Foole, I mean Poole
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| rock0100 wrote: | | Valdarno wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Getting real tired of Taurean Prince. someone needs to check if this dude is partying to much after games, no sense of pride what so ever besides a few occasional decent effort in some spurts, there is no other choice but to trade him in a package |
Someone please tell me WHY Ham continues to start Prince, while we get blown out in 1st quarters?! Try Hach! |
It really is time to move Rui to the starting 5. |
You want to move a below the rim player to the 5? Lakers need a
true 5, not another player out of position.
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Really hope they're able to make a trade for Caruso. He's shooting over 50% on catch and shoot and can defend 1-3.
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You just have to laugh at people complaining Prince is hurting the offense and then a few posts later saying we need Vando back in the starting lineup.  |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | You just have to laugh at people complaining Prince is hurting the offense and then a few posts later saying we need Vando back in the starting lineup. |
Vando is a better defender than Prince so at the very least Vando gives us something if his shot isn't falling.
Prince has had some solid moments in time where he would get a key steal, but he's not been the defender he's been billed as. We're fine to concede him being a worse defender than Vando if he can convert his wide open threes which he usually shoots 38-40% and he hasn't done that.
Prince gets the most wide open shots here than he's had his entire career and he's botched it so far. His lack of great defense makes that stand out more.
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