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Lakeshow23_ Starting Rotation
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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DLO, Gabe, Max, Vando, JHS is 50+ million in salary. Get two or three productive players that can play on both ends and we're cooking. |
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JustaObserver Star Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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Megaton wrote: | dcarter4kobe wrote: | It's sad watching Jay Huff and Scotty Pippen Jr thrive off the Memphis bench.
Huff in particular. |
Dude, you realize (3 games so far) this is the first season at now 27 years old where Huff doesn’t look like a scrub/benchwarmer?
He played 4 games with us 3 years ago. Then he played 7 games with the Wizards. Then he played 20 games with the Nuggets. He impressed NOBODY the past 3 years.
He got better, and that’s great so far, but let’s not act like he was somebody we clearly screwed up in not retaining when it took him a LONG time to even get to his current level right now which is just a 8th or 9th rotation player at 27 years old. |
Hows that Keeping KLUTCH Damon jones over Huff going?..where he at again? Because thats what HAMHOCK Head picked over Huff....now..ummm how that Damon Jones thingy go?
Ohhh and you had Huff roting in the G-Leauge ...i wonder will the Lakers be doing the same for Quincy?..why? lke they did for Pippen Jr....because Gabe is looking so great these days...LOL!! |
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JustaObserver Star Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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Lakeshow23_ wrote: | DLO, Gabe, Max, Vando, JHS is 50+ million in salary. Get two or three productive players that can play on both ends and we're cooking. |
umm who we getting? Who is Player 1 and Player 2's name?
ohh by the way... do you as a Fan value those names mentoned? becasue if ya dont them why should another GM? |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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Vincent and Max have been major disappointments, they offer nothing to you offensively, defensively there pretty good but it’s just not enough |
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JustaObserver Star Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | Vincent and Max have been major disappointments, they offer nothing to you offensively, defensively there pretty good but it’s just not enough |
If you think like that..then dont you think other GM will think the same? |
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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JustaObserver wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | Vincent and Max have been major disappointments, they offer nothing to you offensively, defensively there pretty good but it’s just not enough |
If you think like that..then dont you think other GM will think the same? |
Good question.
I think a team who might want to move a player and take a chance on someone and hope it works out, like Larry Nance for example, Hawks might trade him off for a couple of fillers and a 2nd round pick but that doesn’t mean the trade can’t work out for both teams |
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JustaObserver Star Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | JustaObserver wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | Vincent and Max have been major disappointments, they offer nothing to you offensively, defensively there pretty good but it’s just not enough |
If you think like that..then dont you think other GM will think the same? |
Good question.
I think a team who might want to move a player and take a chance on someone and hope it works out, like Larry Nance for example, Hawks might trade him off for a couple of fillers and a 2nd round pick but that doesn’t mean the trade can’t work out for both teams |
Do you think the Hawks organization and fans sh$$t on their players like we do ours?...be honest now..Dont you think the GM not only look at tape but also have a ear on what others think of that player? If a person came into these threads or looked at media..they would think the Lakers have some of the biggest HOT GARBAGE of players that even doing deals with the Pistons and Wash would be better than dealing with any of the players we have...and you have seen it. ALso a GOOD MAJORITY of players that have left this team has had to TAKE A PAY CUT JUST TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
Fans on Trade deadline and in the summer Cry and whine why the Lakers cant make trades and why other teams want the Lakers to Pay a LAKERS TAX..maybe ...just maybe thats this the reason why. So this might be why Teams if they do a trade with us can go back to their fans and justify getting said Lakers player and have us throw in multiple 1st rnders or a couple of 2nd rounders ...we think our whole team is TRASH besides tha KANG and AD..and if they play bad?..welp they soon will get that treatment just as well. |
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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JustaObserver wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | JustaObserver wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | Vincent and Max have been major disappointments, they offer nothing to you offensively, defensively there pretty good but it’s just not enough |
If you think like that..then dont you think other GM will think the same? |
Good question.
I think a team who might want to move a player and take a chance on someone and hope it works out, like Larry Nance for example, Hawks might trade him off for a couple of fillers and a 2nd round pick but that doesn’t mean the trade can’t work out for both teams |
Do you think the Hawks organization and fans sh$$t on their players like we do ours?...be honest now..Dont you think the GM not only look at tape but also have a ear on what others think of that player? If a person came into these threads or looked at media..they would think the Lakers have some of the biggest HOT GARBAGE of players that even doing deals with the Pistons and Wash would be better than dealing with any of the players we have...and you have seen it. ALso a GOOD MAJORITY of players that have left this team has had to TAKE A PAY CUT JUST TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
Fans on Trade deadline and in the summer Cry and whine why the Lakers cant make trades and why other teams want the Lakers to Pay a LAKERS TAX..maybe ...just maybe thats this the reason why. So this might be why Teams if they do a trade with us can go back to their fans and justify getting said Lakers player and have us throw in multiple 1st rnders or a couple of 2nd rounders ...we think our whole team is TRASH besides tha KANG and AD..and if they play bad?..welp they soon will get that treatment just as well. |
You can criticize players but that doesn’t mean the trade can’t be beneficial if that team ends up acquiring them, the fans don’t make the decisions, Westbrook got traded even though he wasn’t working out for us |
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JustaObserver Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:39 am Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | JustaObserver wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | JustaObserver wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | Vincent and Max have been major disappointments, they offer nothing to you offensively, defensively there pretty good but it’s just not enough |
If you think like that..then dont you think other GM will think the same? |
Good question.
I think a team who might want to move a player and take a chance on someone and hope it works out, like Larry Nance for example, Hawks might trade him off for a couple of fillers and a 2nd round pick but that doesn’t mean the trade can’t work out for both teams |
Do you think the Hawks organization and fans sh$$t on their players like we do ours?...be honest now..Dont you think the GM not only look at tape but also have a ear on what others think of that player? If a person came into these threads or looked at media..they would think the Lakers have some of the biggest HOT GARBAGE of players that even doing deals with the Pistons and Wash would be better than dealing with any of the players we have...and you have seen it. ALso a GOOD MAJORITY of players that have left this team has had to TAKE A PAY CUT JUST TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
Fans on Trade deadline and in the summer Cry and whine why the Lakers cant make trades and why other teams want the Lakers to Pay a LAKERS TAX..maybe ...just maybe thats this the reason why. So this might be why Teams if they do a trade with us can go back to their fans and justify getting said Lakers player and have us throw in multiple 1st rnders or a couple of 2nd rounders ...we think our whole team is TRASH besides tha KANG and AD..and if they play bad?..welp they soon will get that treatment just as well. |
You can criticize players but that doesn’t mean the trade can’t be beneficial if that team ends up acquiring them, the fans don’t make the decisions, Westbrook got traded even though he wasn’t working out for us |
Ohhh Yeah? What was Westbrook's trade value BEFORE he got to the Lakers? |
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jb2 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 7:13 am Post subject: |
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Lakeshow23_ wrote: | DLO, Gabe, Max, Vando, JHS is 50+ million in salary. Get two or three productive players that can play on both ends and we're cooking. |
Who are these two or three productive players?
I ask bc CBA/aprons have stifled the market and trades feel like they've halted to a stop and I see very little options at this point. |
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 7:16 am Post subject: |
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jb2 wrote: | Lakeshow23_ wrote: | DLO, Gabe, Max, Vando, JHS is 50+ million in salary. Get two or three productive players that can play on both ends and we're cooking. |
Who are these two or three productive players?
I ask bc CBA/aprons have stifled the market and trades feel like they've halted to a stop and I see very little options at this point. |
If you replace 5 players with 2 then you have to pay at least 2 more. Would Jeanie buy off on that? _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 7:33 am Post subject: |
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jb2 wrote: | Lakeshow23_ wrote: | DLO, Gabe, Max, Vando, JHS is 50+ million in salary. Get two or three productive players that can play on both ends and we're cooking. |
Who are these two or three productive players?
I ask bc CBA/aprons have stifled the market and trades feel like they've halted to a stop and I see very little options at this point. |
Yes I would like to know as well |
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LakersARETheGOAT Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 8:51 am Post subject: |
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What happened to Malcolm Brogdon? Wonder if he can help the lakers . Lakers really Need a starting defensive guard |
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 8:55 am Post subject: |
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LakersARETheGOAT wrote: | What happened to Malcolm Brogdon? Wonder if he can help the lakers . Lakers really Need a starting defensive guard |
I much rather have DLO, Brogdon is currently hurt, DLO is durable, the Celtics got rid of Brogdon at the right time |
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 8:55 am Post subject: |
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LakersARETheGOAT wrote: | What happened to Malcolm Brogdon? Wonder if he can help the lakers . Lakers really Need a starting defensive guard |
Probably got injured while being injured. I've wanted Brogdon for this squad but he can't stay on the court |
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Lakeshow23_ Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:16 am Post subject: |
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JustaObserver wrote: | Lakeshow23_ wrote: | DLO, Gabe, Max, Vando, JHS is 50+ million in salary. Get two or three productive players that can play on both ends and we're cooking. |
umm who we getting? Who is Player 1 and Player 2's name?
ohh by the way... do you as a Fan value those names mentoned? becasue if ya dont them why should another GM? |
There are these things called draft picks that NBA teams covet, often times they are used as trading chips while the players are simply salary ballast. If a player is on an expiring contract or perhaps a young player in need of development, even better.
I know you’re one of the many posters here that wouldn’t trade DLO for prime Steph Curry but that’s the idea here. |
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:23 am Post subject: |
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Lakeshow23_ wrote: | DLO, Gabe, Max, Vando, JHS is 50+ million in salary. Get two or three productive players that can play on both ends and we're cooking. |
These are obviously important players in an archetypal sense, but they're currently not providing the on-court value we need. I disagree with takes I've heard in the Lakersphere that our tradeable assets are actually central to what we're doing as a team, and how other teams just have salary ballast sitting around that they can dispose of to make truly additive changes.
a) There's no such concept of salary ballast for the Lakers. Everyone considers it a pupu platter or "trash" if it's the Lakers buying.
b) We have clearly have a lot of ballast. I'm not saying trade it all and our picks for one guy, but I think we need more two way rotation players. |
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Vegas has the Lakers as the favorite to land Walker Kessler if he ends up getting traded |
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Lakeshow23_ Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:24 am Post subject: |
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jb2 wrote: | Lakeshow23_ wrote: | DLO, Gabe, Max, Vando, JHS is 50+ million in salary. Get two or three productive players that can play on both ends and we're cooking. |
Who are these two or three productive players?
I ask bc CBA/aprons have stifled the market and trades feel like they've halted to a stop and I see very little options at this point. |
DLO/JHS gets you Kessler/Sexton
Gabe/Vando/Christie gets you Grant
That’s three pretty good players for the price of DLO and some guys providing costly minutes.
But those are just the players that are rumored to be available. I’m sure there’s plenty of other guys that will be made available by December 15th when it’s clear what teams will be in the hunt and what teams will be selling. Rob just has to do some GMing, he has plenty to work with. |
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:40 am Post subject: |
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Lakeshow23_ wrote: | jb2 wrote: | Lakeshow23_ wrote: | DLO, Gabe, Max, Vando, JHS is 50+ million in salary. Get two or three productive players that can play on both ends and we're cooking. |
Who are these two or three productive players?
I ask bc CBA/aprons have stifled the market and trades feel like they've halted to a stop and I see very little options at this point. |
DLO/JHS gets you Kessler/Sexton
Gabe/Vando/Christie gets you Grant
That’s three pretty good players for the price of DLO and some guys providing costly minutes.
But those are just the players that are rumored to be available. I’m sure there’s plenty of other guys that will be made available by December 15th when it’s clear what teams will be in the hunt and what teams will be selling. Rob just has to do some GMing, he has plenty to work with. |
Who is taking those packages for Kessler and Grant? |
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:54 am Post subject: |
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defense wrote: | Lakeshow23_ wrote: | jb2 wrote: | Lakeshow23_ wrote: | DLO, Gabe, Max, Vando, JHS is 50+ million in salary. Get two or three productive players that can play on both ends and we're cooking. |
Who are these two or three productive players?
I ask bc CBA/aprons have stifled the market and trades feel like they've halted to a stop and I see very little options at this point. |
DLO/JHS gets you Kessler/Sexton
Gabe/Vando/Christie gets you Grant
That’s three pretty good players for the price of DLO and some guys providing costly minutes.
But those are just the players that are rumored to be available. I’m sure there’s plenty of other guys that will be made available by December 15th when it’s clear what teams will be in the hunt and what teams will be selling. Rob just has to do some GMing, he has plenty to work with. |
Who is taking those packages for Kessler and Grant? |
For Utah we take the protections off the 2027 pick and offer the 2029 FRP. For Grant you offer the 2031 FRP.
Both deals could probably be made with a single FRP closer to the deadline. Grant you might be able to get with pick swaps from post LBJ/AD era. |
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:56 am Post subject: |
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The Jerami Grant idea seems to be more Agent/Portland/Fan driven. The Lakers have a long history of not paying complimentary players that kind of money. You'd also need to surrender multiple rotation players in any deal.
Kessler on the other hand is on a cost controlled deal that wouldn't require trading a rotation player. A deal for him is about appropriate draft capital. I expect the Lakers will want to see what Koloko can offer before seriously considering relinquishing assets.
For the time being, it will be interesting to see if they pick up JHS' player option. The deadline is Thursday to either keep him cost controlled or convert him to an expiring. |
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:41 am Post subject: |
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Laker's Fan wrote: | The Jerami Grant idea seems to be more Agent/Portland/Fan driven. The Lakers have a long history of not paying complimentary players that kind of money. You'd also need to surrender multiple rotation players in any deal.
Kessler on the other hand is on a cost controlled deal that wouldn't require trading a rotation player. A deal for him is about appropriate draft capital. I expect the Lakers will want to see what Koloko can offer before seriously considering relinquishing assets.
For the time being, it will be interesting to see if they pick up JHS' player option. The deadline is Thursday to either keep him cost controlled or convert him to an expiring. |
good take
I think if they decide to pull the trigger on Kessler (who knows if Utah would actually do it) it is worth considering giving them both 1st that they likely want. with a reliable starting C, I think this team is poised to make a finals run |
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:17 am Post subject: |
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If Utah trades Kessler, it means Ainge probably f*cked us.
I'm not saying he wouldn't be useful and I'm pretty tired of Hayes and Rui getting outworked for rebounds but two first rounders is a heavy price.
Remember we will need to start replacing LBJ's production and if Jeanie's dumb enough to extend him further then we will need those cost controlled players even more if she does. |
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:20 am Post subject: |
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BILBJH wrote: | If Utah trades Kessler, it means Ainge probably f*cked us.
I'm not saying he wouldn't be useful and I'm pretty tired of Hayes and Rui getting outworked for rebounds but two first rounders is a heavy price.
Remember we will need to start replacing LBJ's production and if Jeanie's dumb enough to extend him further then we will need those cost controlled players even more if she does. |
Not sure what you are going at Rui for.. his rebounding this season has looked much better, JJ told him to Improve in that department and he has delivered, the big thing about getting Kessler is that we wouldn’t over use Hayes and getting Kessler means we wouldn’t depend on Koloko to help us right away |
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