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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 11:57 am    Post subject:

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I wouldn’t mind waiting until mid Dec when Jonas V is available to be traded.

That trade doesn't really make sense to me. Gabe for Jonas straight up? Why does Wash do that? And if we trade any FRP or swap for Jonas, I riot
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 12:01 pm    Post subject:

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I wouldn’t mind waiting until mid Dec when Jonas V is available to be traded.

That trade doesn't really make sense to me. Gabe for Jonas straight up? Why does Wash do that? And if we trade any FRP or swap for Jonas, I riot


I’d easily give up a FRP. Jonas takes into the top 3 in the west. I actually like Nikola Vuc the best. I’d do Dlo + Wood & 2nd for Nikola V
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The Lakers really should have made the minor moves necessary to get a backup PG in the off-season.

I think the Lakers are really close to not needing DLo for anything anymore if Rui's consistent production is more of a thing now.

DLo's secondary play-making could've been filled by a bunch of back-up PGs around the league. The 2020 Lakers were getting that from a vet's minimum PG.

As is, I still like the idea of Schroder and either Cam Johnson or Dorian Finney-Smith with the idea that Schroder can replace most of what DLo provides and Cam or Dorian getting the Lakers a good 2-way player. Schroder isn't amazing on defense or anything, but maybe his average defense and quicker feet would still provide the Lakers with a decent upgrade on that end over what they have right now.


Think the issue here is that (i) we were already paying another PG $10M/yr and didn't get a good look (or hardly any look) last year at what he could do and whether he could fit and (ii) we drafted a PG with the #17 overall pick last year who you'd hope would be ready even as a deep bench option to give us anything remotely helpful on this front in his second year, but he's not close to being ready still.

I do think you're underrating DLo the playmaker a bit. We're getting more usage from Austin so far as a playmaker with similar output as last year on that front (and more turnovers with the ball in his hands so much). DLo has been the primary handler a lot less so far and gives more than what Austin gives you there with less turnovers. We got secondary playmaking from a vet min PG in 2020 but he also happened to be one of the best PGs in NBA history. Not sure that anyone close to that impact was available. Maybe Tyus Jones, but would have been hard to pitch him a role here when the Suns could promise him a starting spot and heavy minutes. DLo looks lost so far offensively so hopefully he figures it out. Not sure what is going on with his jumper, but it doesn't look close to what he was doing the past couple of years, and a lot of his looks have been wide open.


Tyus Jones was the guy I had in mind, and he was available VERY late into the off-season. There's also recent history with the Lakers building up guards' values, with Schroder and Monk getting nice deals after a "prove-it" vet's minimum deal from the Lakers.

I'd say the Lakers definitely could've had him had the they traded DLo beforehand.

This team ultimately has bigger needs than having a really good secondary play-maker. This team just doesn't have the defenders to match up with opposing stars. The Lakers are being schemed up as well as they can for it and the effort is there. But you can still tell that opposing stars are having their way.

Schroder giving 80% what DLo does on offense as well as defending better, and getting a 3 and D wing would be a net gain on what the Lakers have right now.

And if the player the Lakers get is great enough, I think taking a chance on AR being a good enough secondary play-maker might also be a worthwhile risk.

No trade is going to be perfect to where you lose nothing and gain everything.


Gabe bringing up the ball, give to AD and set hard screen and have AD initiate our offense. If AD is trap. ball rotates to Lebron and he either run PNR with AD or goes to the hole. If it’s not there, run PNR with AR and let AR figure it out.

We have enough offense on this team. It’s the defense that get lit up particularly our perimeter. AR just cant be our main defender on the backcourt. If Lebron coast at that end, we need more defense.


I think a defensive minded guard (with some size) who can hit a 3 is definitely one of our top two needs. I still think there is still a bit of underrating what DLo provides as a playmaker and how much of a hole it would create to move him and replace him with someone like Schroeder (who is essentially just a scoring point guard at this point in his career). We're using AD as a hub to ensure he gets more touches, but he's not suddenly going to become Jokic. A lot of his touches are in positions to be aggressive as a scorer, not necessarily to create looks for others directly. DLo is our only player other than Lebron who can consistently create looks for others. He is currently sitting at by far a career low usage rate (16%) but is still generating more assists on fewer turnovers than Austin. DLo logging heavy minutes so far has also kept Lebron's legs a bit more fresh to close games, even with DLo's shot struggling so far. I acknowledge that DLo may be the best path to filling other holes on our roster so not trying to suggest we shouldn't move him, but just something to keep in mind.

IMO our biggest needs are one more big man and a defensive minded guard with some size. If we create a playmaking hole by moving DLo, we really need to be addressing both of those needs. Between Lebron, Rui, Vando and Wood, we seem to have a solid crop of forwards with good size and length. But our guards are a bit of a mess. Austin is clearly a starter and has honed in on defense enough to not be a total liability on that end, but Max is not ready and Gabe is just too small to consistently close games. He can switch and compete with bigger players and give effective minutes, but he's going to get picked on down the stretch if we close with him consistently. Some of this gets cleaned up when (or if) Vando comes back, but we don't know the impact that will have on offensive spacing yet.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 12:20 pm    Post subject:

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I wouldn’t mind waiting until mid Dec when Jonas V is available to be traded.

That trade doesn't really make sense to me. Gabe for Jonas straight up? Why does Wash do that? And if we trade any FRP or swap for Jonas, I riot


I’d easily give up a FRP. Jonas takes into the top 3 in the west. I actually like Nikola Vuc the best. I’d do Dlo + Wood & 2nd for Nikola V

I think you're really overrating both of those players, especially in bench roles.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 12:26 pm    Post subject:

Chicago is in rebuild mode, there probably gonna be enticed taking on prospects so Max and Reddish and perhaps Max Lewis would most certainly head to Chicago.. would be excited if we got Lonzo + Vuc
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 12:37 pm    Post subject:

levon wrote:
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I wouldn’t mind waiting until mid Dec when Jonas V is available to be traded.

That trade doesn't really make sense to me. Gabe for Jonas straight up? Why does Wash do that? And if we trade any FRP or swap for Jonas, I riot


I’d easily give up a FRP. Jonas takes into the top 3 in the west. I actually like Nikola Vuc the best. I’d do Dlo + Wood & 2nd for Nikola V

I think you're really overrating both of those players, especially in bench roles.


We’re already looking great. Those guys either one would fill the biggest hole we have. It’s only 4 games but Vuc looks healthy again 20/11/3 on 60% TS
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 12:43 pm    Post subject:

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Chicago is in rebuild mode, there probably gonna be enticed taking on prospects so Max and Reddish and perhaps Max Lewis would most certainly head to Chicago.. would be excited if we got Lonzo + Vuc


Isn’t Lonzo+Vuc = a max?

I don’t trust Lonzo’s knees
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 1:27 pm    Post subject:

After 4 games the Lakers have an elite offense and mediocre defense. Same as last year. They don't need a center that can't protect the paint.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 1:28 pm    Post subject:

governator wrote:
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Chicago is in rebuild mode, there probably gonna be enticed taking on prospects so Max and Reddish and perhaps Max Lewis would most certainly head to Chicago.. would be excited if we got Lonzo + Vuc


Isn’t Lonzo+Vuc = a max?

I don’t trust Lonzo’s knees


No one also trusted on Shaun Livingston making a difference after multiple knee injuries any player can end up having knee issues even if that player is durable, you just hope it doesn’t happen frequently this is why it doesn’t make any difference rather someone has knee issues
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 2:37 pm    Post subject:

governator wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Chicago is in rebuild mode, there probably gonna be enticed taking on prospects so Max and Reddish and perhaps Max Lewis would most certainly head to Chicago.. would be excited if we got Lonzo + Vuc


Isn’t Lonzo+Vuc = a max?

I don’t trust Lonzo’s knees



Neither should the Lakers FO...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 2:43 pm    Post subject:

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The Memphis Grizzlies have agreed to a two-way deal with Colin Castleton, league sources told @hoopshype. Castleton appeared in 16 games for the Los Angeles Lakers last season.


Jay Huff, Scotty Pippen Jr, and now Castleton, Memphis has developed SPJ and Huff well.
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deal wrote:
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Chicago is in rebuild mode, there probably gonna be enticed taking on prospects so Max and Reddish and perhaps Max Lewis would most certainly head to Chicago.. would be excited if we got Lonzo + Vuc


Isn’t Lonzo+Vuc = a max?

I don’t trust Lonzo’s knees



Neither should the Lakers FO...


Rob won't be trading for those two bums. Vuc can't guard his house and Zo is already injured...and it's not even his damaged knee!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:54 pm    Post subject:

Time to fire up the trade machine
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:59 pm    Post subject:

The roster issues haven't changed since since this team was put together. We've seen them since the 2023 playoff run.

Absolutely nothing has changed.

This team is too limited defensively, and they possibly need another go-to guy on offense.

Realistically, you fix the first thing and hope the rest of the roster outside of AD and LeBron can figure out the other thing by themselves.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:18 pm    Post subject:

New coach same needs.

Missing a KCP type 2/3
Missing a big long 5 that can allow AD to start at the 4 finish games at the 5.
Missing a point guard leader off the bench.
Missing an athletic wing that defends 3/4.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:40 pm    Post subject:

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New coach same needs.

Missing a KCP type 2/3
Missing a big long 5 that can allow AD to start at the 4 finish games at the 5.
Missing a point guard leader off the bench.
Missing an athletic wing that defends 3/4.


Agreed. That’s a long shopping list.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:50 pm    Post subject:

Japago wrote:
The roster issues haven't changed since since this team was put together. We've seen them since the 2023 playoff run.

Absolutely nothing has changed.

This team is too limited defensively, and they possibly need another go-to guy on offense.

Realistically, you fix the first thing and hope the rest of the roster outside of AD and LeBron can figure out the other thing by themselves.


Yup we been on the same boat when it comes to what this team really needs...

DLO/AR combo just too unathletic on the defensive end to provide any type of resistance on the perimeter. They also don't put enough pressure on opposing defenses unless their 3 ball are going.

BENCH BENCH BENCH.... We need a super sub like Monk and Hield type of player... Christie/Vincent has provided us nothing offensively at all.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:57 pm    Post subject:

Schroeder with 33 points against the Grizzles, he really seems to love Brooklyn and how they treated him when he got traded there
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 5:41 am    Post subject:

Russell, Lewis and Bronny for Lonzo

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 5:56 am    Post subject:

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The Memphis Grizzlies have agreed to a two-way deal with Colin Castleton, league sources told @hoopshype. Castleton appeared in 16 games for the Los Angeles Lakers last season.


Jay Huff, Scotty Pippen Jr, and now Castleton, Memphis has developed SPJ and Huff well.


At this point they are just trolling us.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 5:59 am    Post subject:

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It's sad watching Jay Huff and Scotty Pippen Jr thrive off the Memphis bench.

Huff in particular.


Dude, you realize (3 games so far) this is the first season at now 27 years old where Huff doesn’t look like a scrub/benchwarmer?

He played 4 games with us 3 years ago. Then he played 7 games with the Wizards. Then he played 20 games with the Nuggets. He impressed NOBODY the past 3 years.

He got better, and that’s great so far, but let’s not act like he was somebody we clearly screwed up in not retaining when it took him a LONG time to even get to his current level right now which is just a 8th or 9th rotation player at 27 years old.

Didn't say we dropped the ball on him as he clearly needed more time to improve. Just sucks seeing him finally pan out for another team when he would fill one of our big needs.

We did drop the ball on SPJ though. Got rid of him for? Dmoi Hodge?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 6:08 am    Post subject:

ocho wrote:
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New coach same needs.

Missing a KCP type 2/3
Missing a big long 5 that can allow AD to start at the 4 finish games at the 5.
Missing a point guard leader off the bench.
Missing an athletic wing that defends 3/4.


Agreed. That’s a long shopping list.

And don’t get me wrong this is a good team after this road trip we should be 5-3 or 6-2 maybe and we should be able to hit 50 wins if AD stays healthy al year. We have enough to be good. But if we’re serious about a real playoff run gotta retire the DLo/Reaves backcourt does not give enough defense next to Lebron and we need to add some pieces to our bench. Christie, Bronny look more G league than NBA. Moreso Bronny. Christie is still not looking like a rotational player on a good team. Hayes the same I don’t believe we have enough of a bench nor is our starting 5 good enough defensively.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 6:09 am    Post subject:

I mean AD is balling like a top 5-10 player and you have Lebron. Need some better defensive pieces that can start and a real bench with NBa level players. Dalton is the only one off the bench who looks NBA level and he’s a rookie.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 6:11 am    Post subject:

I guess the Nick Richards rumor was BS. He is balling and getting big minutes.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 6:20 am    Post subject:

We should stop trying to replicate the 2020 team. LBJ needs more help in every aspect compared to 4 years ago so DLO's playmaking ability is not redundant to this team.
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