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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:51 pm    Post subject:

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what happens if USA loses and Mexico wins? Do we still advance? Damn tie breaker rule is so confusing. LOL They should just do the most runs scored.


If we lose tomorrow, there will be a 3 way tie for 2nd guaranteed:

USA: 2-2
COL: 2-2
CAN or MEX: 2-2

Here's the rules. See if you can figure it out:

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Here are the tiebreaker rules for a three or more team tie:

Lowest quotient of:

- runs allowed

.......divided by

- the number of defensive outs recorded

- in games between the teams that are tied.


First of all, we'd rather be in a tiebreaker with Canada than Mexico.

We lost to Mexico 11-5 and beat Canada 12-1.

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Ok, so we beat Canada 12-1 in 6.5 innings. Let's figure out the formula for each team:

Canada: (12 runs given up) / (18 defensive outs recorded) = 12/18 = 6/9 = 0.667

USA: (1 run given up) / (21 defensive outs recorded) = 1/21 = 0.048

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Now, let's look at our game vs. Mexico. We lost 11-5 in 9 innings.

Mexico: (5 runs given up) / (27 defensive outs recorded) = 5/27 = 0.185

USA: (11 runs given up) / (27 defensive outs recorded) = 11/27 = 0.407


Now, just add the other games involving Colombia, talley them up and find the lowest quotient, or lowest number.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:00 pm    Post subject:

^^^ Damn LOL. I'm telling you. They made it way too complicated. Maybe I'll understand it more after a good nights sleep. LOL
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:06 pm    Post subject:

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^^^ Damn LOL. I'm telling you. They made it way too complicated. Maybe I'll understand it more after a good nights sleep. LOL


Basically it's runs allowed. But they can't go straight by runs allowed due to the mercy rule.

For instance:
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USA: 12
CAN: 1 in 5 innings

MEX: 5
CAN: 1 in 9 innings


MEX and USA both gave up only 1 run. However, Mexico played more innings than we did, so they should reflect that. So, they decided to add in the innings played (measured by outs recorded).

So, now:

USA gave up 1 run in 5 innings (15 outs). So, it's 1/15 = 0.07
MEX gave up 1 run in 9 innings (27 outs). So, it's 1/27 = 0.04

MEX gave up less runs.

So basically, how many runs did you give up, per out?

Take all the teams who are tied. Add up all the runs they allowed (when they played each other), and divide by all the outs they recorded.

Lowest score wins the tiebreaker.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:16 am    Post subject:

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^^^ Damn LOL. I'm telling you. They made it way too complicated. Maybe I'll understand it more after a good nights sleep. LOL


Basically it's runs allowed. But they can't go straight by runs allowed due to the mercy rule.

For instance:
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USA: 12
CAN: 1 in 5 innings

MEX: 5
CAN: 1 in 9 innings


MEX and USA both gave up only 1 run. However, Mexico played more innings than we did, so they should reflect that. So, they decided to add in the innings played (measured by outs recorded).

So, now:

USA gave up 1 run in 5 innings (15 outs). So, it's 1/15 = 0.07
MEX gave up 1 run in 9 innings (27 outs). So, it's 1/27 = 0.04

MEX gave up less runs.

So basically, how many runs did you give up, per out?

Take all the teams who are tied. Add up all the runs they allowed (when they played each other), and divide by all the outs they recorded.

Lowest score wins the tiebreaker.


Got it. It makes sense for me now. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:37 am    Post subject:

^ yeah, I figured out why they used outs instead of innings. It's due to walk offs.

If a team lost with 1 out in the bottom of the 9th, how many innings is that?

8.1?
8.33?

They just went with outs instead. 25 outs.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:05 am    Post subject:

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Braves Option Ian Anderson To Triple-A

The Atlanta Braves have optioned Ian Anderson to their Triple-A affiliate.

It's the latest setback for the right-hander whose promising start included pitching five hitless innings in Game 3 of the 2021 World Series.

Bryce Elder was also optioned. Both players had been competing for the fifth spot in the Braves' starting rotation.

Anderson went 10-6 with a 5.00 ERA in 22 starts last season and was sent to the minors in early August.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:43 am    Post subject:

1) Dave Roberts really hyping up Rojas' defense and importance to the team this year. I don't know if I buy it since he only cost $5M. Can we get this much value from a $5M player that only cost us a #15 prospect? I certainly hope so. I'll try to buy it, but I'm skeptical. His dWAR last year was really good though: 2.6 dWAR. Well, let me restate. I don't know if I buy that his defense will significantly offset his bad offense. But that's not what Roberts' is saying. He's just saying his defense alone will be extremely valuable for us. I guess I can agree with that:

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Restrictions on defensive shift in the infield make Miguel Rojas’ defense at shortstop even more valuable, manager Dave Roberts told Matthew Ritchie at MLB.com: “I think it’s really going to show itself without the shift this year. And so, not only getting to baseballs, but the ability to finish plays with arm strength and accuracy. With the numbers, as far as defensive WAR, whatever the statistics may be, he’s going to be right at the top — he’s a plus, major league shortstop.”



2) Spring Training is really winding down now:

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There are 15 days until opening day and 14 spring training games to be played.



3) Taylor is still struggling mightily:

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Taylor has just 3 hits in 26 at-bats this spring while striking out 10 times in 10 games.



4) Dodgers Injury News: RHP Daniel Hudson Frustrated By Slow Recovery

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There was some hope that he'd be recovered in time to return for opening day this season, but his body hasn't responded as well as anyone hoped. By all accounts, Hudson is close. He just threw his second live batting practice of the spring on Monday and is creeping his way back to the active roster, certainly at a frustratingly slower pace than he wanted, as he told the OC Register.

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“Yeah – but it is what it is. I’m 36. I’m not 26 anymore. That’s just part of getting a little older and the rehab process taking a little longer and bouncing back and stuff like that. It’s definitely been frustrating. At the same time, I’m trying to keep my eyes on the bigger prize of being available towards the end of the season rather than potentially April 1.”





5) Urias won't pitch tonight:

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LA #Dodgers ace Julio Urias will not throw a single pitch Wednesday in Mexico's critical WBC game vs. Canada.

Manager Benji Gil: "I would love to win this tournament....but I have to protect his career. If he would come out [of the bullpen], I would tackle him to stop him.''




6) For those who don't know, Kike Hernandez shares a story of the most embarrassing thing that's happened to him: sharting in his pants in the 2020 NLDS:

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He now endorses wet wipes: https://i.redd.it/d3c0152j5vna1.jpg
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:44 pm    Post subject:

Looks like Mexico is going to win and advance.

Now this is a scenario if USA were to lose to Columbia today.

Let me know if I have this right LBP.

USA vs ENG 2 runs in 27 outs (.08)
USA vs CAN 1 run in 18 outs (.06)
USA vs MX 11 runs in 27 outs (.41) = .55

COL VS ENG 5 runs in 24 outs (.21)
COL vs MEX 4 runs in 27 outs (.15)
COL vs CAN 5 runs in 27 outs (.19) = .55

Looks like they are same in the tie breaker. Even if USA were to lose by 1 run in 9 innings of play they'll lose. Looks like it's a must win.

****I could be off on the number of outs.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:04 pm    Post subject:

aprevo15 wrote:
Looks like Mexico is going to win and advance.

Now this is a scenario if USA were to lose to Columbia today.

Let me know if I have this right LBP.

USA vs ENG 2 runs in 27 outs (.08)
USA vs CAN 1 run in 18 outs (.06)
USA vs MX 11 runs in 27 outs (.41) = .55

COL VS ENG 5 runs in 24 outs (.21)
COL vs MEX 4 runs in 27 outs (.15)
COL vs CAN 5 runs in 27 outs (.19) = .55

Looks like they are same in the tie breaker. Even if USA were to lose by 1 run in 9 innings of play they'll lose. Looks like it's a must win.

****I could be off on the number of outs.


Take out ENG, which is actually GBR since they are 1-3. They are eliminated.
Take out MEX, since they are 3-1 and are already in.



If USA loses, they'll be 2-2, tied with CAN and COL:

USA: 2-2
CAN: 2-2
COL: 2-2

So just figure out the games between these 3

CAN: 5
COL: 0 in 9 innings

USA:
COL: tonight

USA: 12
CAN: 1 in 7 innings


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:09 pm    Post subject:

LongBeachPoly wrote:
aprevo15 wrote:
Looks like Mexico is going to win and advance.

Now this is a scenario if USA were to lose to Columbia today.

Let me know if I have this right LBP.

USA vs ENG 2 runs in 27 outs (.08)
USA vs CAN 1 run in 18 outs (.06)
USA vs MX 11 runs in 27 outs (.41) = .55

COL VS ENG 5 runs in 24 outs (.21)
COL vs MEX 4 runs in 27 outs (.15)
COL vs CAN 5 runs in 27 outs (.19) = .55

Looks like they are same in the tie breaker. Even if USA were to lose by 1 run in 9 innings of play they'll lose. Looks like it's a must win.

****I could be off on the number of outs.


Take out ENG, which is actually GBR since they are 1-3. They are eliminated.
Take out MEX, since they are 3-1 and are already in.



If USA loses, they'll be 2-2, tied with CAN and COL:

USA: 2-2
CAN: 2-2
COL: 2-2

So just figure out the games between these 3

CAN: 5
COL: 0 in 9 innings

USA:
COL: tonight

USA: 12
CAN: 1 in 7 innings


Ah gotcha.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 4:51 pm    Post subject:

^

Yeah, we're in great shape. We've got to give up a ton of runs tonight to lose the tiebreaker.

Canada is practically eliminated because we scored 12 against them.


Quote:
CAN:
0 / 27 outs
12 / 21 outs
12 / 48 outs = 0.25

COL:
5 / 27 outs = 0.185

USA:
1 / 27 outs = 0.037




Here's an interesting scenario. If COL beats us 12-9 (or higher) in 9 innings, we both get eliminated and CAN is in.

Here's the math:


Quote:
CAN: 5
COL: 0 in 9 innings

USA: 9
COL: 12 in 9 innings

USA: 12
CAN: 1 in 7 innings

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CAN:
0 / 27 outs
12 / 21 outs
12 / 48 outs = 0.25

COL:
5 / 27 outs
9 / 27 outs
14 / 54 outs = .26

USA:
1 / 21 outs
12 / 27 outs
13 / 48 outs = .27



Scenarios for us to lose tonight and get in:

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1) How many runs can we give up (in a 9 inning game)?
- If we allow COL to score 12 or more runs, we're out
- If we allow COL to score exactly 11 runs, we're tied with CAN and go to the next tie breaker
- If we allow COL to score 10 or less runs, we're in (provided we don't lose by too many runs).

2) How many runs can we lose by (in a 9 inning game)?
- If we lose by 3 or more, COL is in.

- there's 2 exceptions, if we lose 3-0 or 4-1, then that's ok to lose by 3. Once we get to 5-2 and above, then COL would be in. It's weird, dealing with fractions.

- If we lose by 2 or less, we're in.


So, in summary:

1) lose by 2 or less, and
2) don't allow COL to score over 10.


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https://twitter.com/DodgersNation/status/1636098723196329985?t=Hes6qtUG9vPyyNYQyAwQpQ&s=19
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:08 pm    Post subject:

32 wrote:
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Dodgers Rumors: Writer Predicts LA Trades for Tim Anderson in Package Headlined by Michael Busch | Follow DodgersNation
More details here:


https://twitter.com/DodgersNation/status/1636098723196329985?t=Hes6qtUG9vPyyNYQyAwQpQ&s=19



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To LAD: SS Tim Anderson
To CWS: 2B Michael Busch, RHP Landon Knack, OF Jose Ramos, RHP Joel Ibarra



That's alot of prospects.

Tim Anderson's contract:

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2023 - $12.5M (age 30)
2024 - $14M (age 31)
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:07 pm    Post subject:

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Puerto Rico ousts Dominican Republic at WBC, but loses Edwin Diaz to injury

Puerto Rico ousted the favored Dominican Republic from the World Baseball Classic on Wednesday night with a 5-2 victory in front of a raucous crowd of 36,025 at sold-out LoanDepot Park. But the celebratory mood proved short-lived.

While Puerto Rico advanced to the quarterfinals, they likely continue in the tournament without Edwin Díaz, the All-Star closer for the New York Mets, who appeared to suffer an injury to his right leg while celebrating after converting the save, leaving players in noticeable shock in the wake of what should have been a thrilling victory.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:10 pm    Post subject:

32 wrote:
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Dodgers Rumors: Writer Predicts LA Trades for Tim Anderson in Package Headlined by Michael Busch | Follow DodgersNation
More details here:


https://twitter.com/DodgersNation/status/1636098723196329985?t=Hes6qtUG9vPyyNYQyAwQpQ&s=19


A few pages back I was wondering if TA would be a target. He fits the team's MO for contracts to trade for (team control for a couple of years, not too expensive).
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:10 pm    Post subject:

LongBeachPoly wrote:
^

Yeah, we're in great shape. We've got to give up a ton of runs tonight to lose the tiebreaker.

Canada is practically eliminated because we scored 12 against them.


Quote:
CAN:
0 / 27 outs
12 / 21 outs
12 / 48 outs = 0.25

COL:
5 / 27 outs = 0.185

USA:
1 / 27 outs = 0.037




Here's an interesting scenario. If COL beats us 12-9 (or higher) in 9 innings, we both get eliminated and CAN is in.

Here's the math:


Quote:
CAN: 5
COL: 0 in 9 innings

USA: 9
COL: 12 in 9 innings

USA: 12
CAN: 1 in 7 innings

----------------

CAN:
0 / 27 outs
12 / 21 outs
12 / 48 outs = 0.25

COL:
5 / 27 outs
9 / 27 outs
14 / 54 outs = .26

USA:
1 / 21 outs
12 / 27 outs
13 / 48 outs = .27



Scenarios for us to lose tonight and get in:

Quote:
1) How many runs can we give up (in a 9 inning game)?
- If we allow COL to score 12 or more runs, we're out
- If we allow COL to score exactly 11 runs, we're tied with CAN and go to the next tie breaker
- If we allow COL to score 10 or less runs, we're in (provided we don't lose by too many runs).

2) How many runs can we lose by (in a 9 inning game)?
- If we lose by 3 or more, COL is in.

- there's 2 exceptions, if we lose 3-0 or 4-1, then that's ok to lose by 3. Once we get to 5-2 and above, then COL would be in. It's weird, dealing with fractions.

- If we lose by 2 or less, we're in.


So, in summary:

1) lose by 2 or less, and
2) don't allow COL to score over 10.


Thanks for the breakdown.

So far so good. We are up 1.

Also sucks about Diaz. Damn what a way to get injured. At least Juan Soto and Manny Machado are out.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:17 pm    Post subject:

Trea Turner missing a grounder. Where have I seen that before? LOL
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:22 pm    Post subject:

^

Here's an interesting question:

Let's say game tied, bottom of the 9th, 2 outs, bases loaded. What do we do:

A) We can intentionally walk in the runner, lose by 1, but we advance to the next rd due to tie breaker rules

B) Keep playing for the win. But, if somehow they score 3 or more runs (like a base clearing double, triple, or HR), we lose.

----------------------------------------------

And here's a more interesting question. Let's say Columbia is leading 2-1 heading to the bottom of the 9th. Do they get to bat?

They need to score more runs to advance. They need to win by 5-1 to advance.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:25 pm    Post subject:

aprevo15 wrote:
Trea Turner missing a grounder. Where have I seen that before? LOL


Good ole Trea.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:31 pm    Post subject:

LongBeachPoly wrote:
^

Here's an interesting question:

Let's say game tied, bottom of the 9th, 2 outs, bases loaded. What do we do:

A) We can intentionally walk in the runner, lose by 1, but we advance to the next rd due to tie breaker rules

B) Keep playing for the win. But, if somehow they score 3 or more runs (like a base clearing double, triple, or HR), we lose.

----------------------------------------------

And here's a more interesting question. Let's say Columbia is leading 2-1 heading to the bottom of the 9th. Do they get to bat?

They need to score more runs to advance. They need to win by 5-1 to advance.


Very interesting. I wonder if there was ever the situation you mentioned.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:47 pm    Post subject:

Our guys representing. Will and Mookie in scoring position.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:54 pm    Post subject:

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LongBeachPoly wrote:
^

Here's an interesting question:

Let's say game tied, bottom of the 9th, 2 outs, bases loaded. What do we do:

A) We can intentionally walk in the runner, lose by 1, but we advance to the next rd due to tie breaker rules

B) Keep playing for the win. But, if somehow they score 3 or more runs (like a base clearing double, triple, or HR), we lose.

----------------------------------------------

And here's a more interesting question. Let's say Columbia is leading 2-1 heading to the bottom of the 9th. Do they get to bat?

They need to score more runs to advance. They need to win by 5-1 to advance.


Very interesting. I wonder if there was ever the situation you mentioned.


Decent chance.

Pool A this year ended with a 5 way tie:

Cuba: 2-2
Italy: 2-2
Netherlands: 2-2
Panama: 2-2
Chinese Taipei: 2-2
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:28 pm    Post subject:

LongBeachPoly wrote:
aprevo15 wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
^

Here's an interesting question:

Let's say game tied, bottom of the 9th, 2 outs, bases loaded. What do we do:

A) We can intentionally walk in the runner, lose by 1, but we advance to the next rd due to tie breaker rules

B) Keep playing for the win. But, if somehow they score 3 or more runs (like a base clearing double, triple, or HR), we lose.

----------------------------------------------

And here's a more interesting question. Let's say Columbia is leading 2-1 heading to the bottom of the 9th. Do they get to bat?

They need to score more runs to advance. They need to win by 5-1 to advance.


Very interesting. I wonder if there was ever the situation you mentioned.


Decent chance.

Pool A this year ended with a 5 way tie:

Cuba: 2-2
Italy: 2-2
Netherlands: 2-2
Panama: 2-2
Chinese Taipei: 2-2


Oh damn. That's like another game in itself. Playing for tie breaker and stuff. LOL
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:02 pm    Post subject:

Alright here we go. Bottom of the 9th up 3-2. Lets go!!!!!!!
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WTF is up with Trea? Misses another routine ground ball. Glad he is no longer here.
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