Wizards conned us with the Westbrook trade, and then again with the Rui one. One of the two greatest league franchises repeatedly being conned by a perennial loser.
Rui as a starter last year...
15.4ppg
4.8rpg
1.3apg
58% fg
44% 3fg
72% FT
Those are solid numbers for suppose to be your 5th option on the team...
That’s the problem and reality:
Rui solid numbers
Dlo strong numbers
AD strong numbers
Bron strong numbers
= playin
I like rui but he is another guy on a team full of them where numbers don’t equate to being a legit contender
He’s better for us than DLo but imho there was a reason a guy with his size was given away.
Play in because Ham decided Cam Reddish was the guy and slotted him in for an automatic 30+ minutes while we went 3-10 post IST. He basically refused to played DLo, AR, AD, Rui, and LBJ together despite that being the core of the group that got us to the WCFs the season before. When he finally did play those guys, the Lakers made a really good run to end the season.
Rui had fantastic numbers during the 2023 playoff run coming off the bench. In 2024, Ham not only started him but also put him on Jokic. It was a perfect example of a good roleplayer being misused by an idiotic HC. Rui will shine again under genius JJ. _________________ I'm willing to eat my own poop and post on youtube for another Laker championship under Pelinka.
Lakers need a visionary GM because vision is scary.
Rui had fantastic numbers during the 2023 playoff run coming off the bench. In 2024, Ham not only started him but also put him on Jokic. It was a perfect example of a good roleplayer being misused by an idiotic HC. Rui will shine again under genius JJ.
Rui spreading the floor had a residual affect toward the offense’s success in addition to his 3pt% ~43% by allowing his teammates room to operate in the paint. The team as a whole played very well and Rui was a major part of that.
I know I could be over estimating the starting 5 of Dlo/AR/LBJ/Rui/AD, some changes should be made because the Lakers did finish 8th in the standings, earned just a 7th playoff seed, and were eliminated in the 1st rd.
Some others are underestimating the starting 5 as well tho because they did play like a #1 seed winning the IST in Nov, and like a #1 seed in Feb/Mar/Apr as well as for 70% of the playoff minutes in the 1st rd. That was despite Vincent/CamRed/Vando/Wood being injured and with poor coaching.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle but it does look like with better coaching and better injury luck…based on their play last year both reg and post season…that the starting 5 is a ship competitor. Based on paper tho I admit that it doesn’t look that way. I’m torn. I don’t want a trade that disrupts the success of any of the 5 unless it is a clear upgrade. Getting rid of Rui could allow the opponent to collapse in the paint and downgrade the entire offense. _________________ When reasonably possible, I expect the Lakers to go after a ship like it can’t be denied. I haven’t seen a completely committed effort by the GM for the last 2 off seasons nor the last 2 trade deadlines. What is going on?
Thank you! People think that Jerami Grant is going to be some kind of godsend, that will transform this team into a legit contender. He's not. The eye test, as well the numbers, back this up. Here's a career number comparison between Rui, and Grant...
The raw numbers compare similarly, with Rui having the better shooting splits, AND being around 4 years younger. Yes, Grant is a better individual defender(marginally, imo). But, not to the degree that I would trade a player on the same level (Rui), PLUS additional assets. And, that's not even taking into account Grants ballooning contract...
I'm glad Pelinka turned down the reported trade, of multiple frp's, for Grant. With better coaching, and playing in a role that better suits Rui, I believe his contribution would show noticeable improvement. The same goes for our other players, as well. Remember, as injured, and badly coached as we were, we still made it to the playoffs, and showed we could hang with the title favorite Nuggets. We're not as bad as people think we are... _________________ ZOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Rui was damn good against France, which is one of the top FIBA teams
That's 3 games now where Rui's been very very good
hopefully, that gives him a boost of confidence when he comes back to the Lakers _________________ Never argue with a fool - listeners can't tell you apart
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Wizards conned us with the Westbrook trade, and then again with the Rui one. One of the two greatest league franchises repeatedly being conned by a perennial loser.
Rui as a starter last year...
15.4ppg
4.8rpg
1.3apg
58% fg
44% 3fg
72% FT
Those are solid numbers for suppose to be your 5th option on the team...
That’s the problem and reality:
Rui solid numbers
Dlo strong numbers
AD strong numbers
Bron strong numbers
= playin
I like rui but he is another guy on a team full of them where numbers don’t equate to being a legit contender
He’s better for us than DLo but imho there was a reason a guy with his size was given away.
Play in because Ham decided Cam Reddish was the guy and slotted him in for an automatic 30+ minutes while we went 3-10 post IST. He basically refused to played DLo, AR, AD, Rui, and LBJ together despite that being the core of the group that got us to the WCFs the season before. When he finally did play those guys, the Lakers made a really good run to end the season.
They always love to go with the "But despite their play we were a playin team" but then never like to acknowledge the context, nor what our record was once we started that lineup that we'd been begging for that Ham ignored till he was forced to.
miggz23 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGNm_YGImMA
Some weak ass calls... So much for allowing more physicality in FIBA.
France is hosting the Olympics.
They were playing the French team.
I think Rui only being 26yo can still improve his defense... I think he is fine at man to man defense... He needs work on awareness more than anything. He seems to get lost off the ball. He also not versatile enough to cover quick guards.
With Rui it isn't incapability or even athletic ability. He very much could be a very solid defender, and when he's in face up opportunities he can be.
Where he gets in trouble is paying attention off ball, not fighting hard enough against screens, and sagging too far on defense and leaving people open.
Rui does have problem at man to man defense. He lacks the footspeed to guard most 3s. He is usually fine against the players we stick him on because we try to avoid sticking him on players who could blow by him. Don't think that ever changes
Rui does have problem at man to man defense. He lacks the footspeed to guard most 3s. He is usually fine against the players we stick him on because we try to avoid sticking him on players who could blow by him. Don't think that ever changes
How many 3s out there can blow by him?
Rui 2 biggest issue on defense..
-Team defense awareness
-Navigating through screens
I think he can be a plus defender if he can improve those 2.
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Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 5:18 pm Post subject:
miggz23 wrote:
tox wrote:
Rui does have problem at man to man defense. He lacks the footspeed to guard most 3s. He is usually fine against the players we stick him on because we try to avoid sticking him on players who could blow by him. Don't think that ever changes
How many 3s out there can blow by him?
Rui 2 biggest issue on defense..
-Team defense awareness
-Navigating through screens
I think he can be a plus defender if he can improve those 2.
Not if his rebounding efforts remain unimpressive _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Rui does have problem at man to man defense. He lacks the footspeed to guard most 3s. He is usually fine against the players we stick him on because we try to avoid sticking him on players who could blow by him. Don't think that ever changes
How many 3s out there can blow by him?
Rui 2 biggest issue on defense..
-Team defense awareness
-Navigating through screens
I think he can be a plus defender if he can improve those 2.
Not if his rebounding efforts remain unimpressive
But here we are looking to replace him with Jerami Grant 3.5rpg and his $130m contract.
Joined: 14 Apr 2001 Posts: 146064 Location: The Gold Coast
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 5:24 pm Post subject:
miggz23 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
miggz23 wrote:
tox wrote:
Rui does have problem at man to man defense. He lacks the footspeed to guard most 3s. He is usually fine against the players we stick him on because we try to avoid sticking him on players who could blow by him. Don't think that ever changes
How many 3s out there can blow by him?
Rui 2 biggest issue on defense..
-Team defense awareness
-Navigating through screens
I think he can be a plus defender if he can improve those 2.
Not if his rebounding efforts remain unimpressive
But here we are looking to replace him with Jerami Grant 3.5rpg and his $130m contract.
Some are, I’m not at all interested in Grant. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Rui does have problem at man to man defense. He lacks the footspeed to guard most 3s. He is usually fine against the players we stick him on because we try to avoid sticking him on players who could blow by him. Don't think that ever changes
How many 3s out there can blow by him?
Rui 2 biggest issue on defense..
-Team defense awareness
-Navigating through screens
I think he can be a plus defender if he can improve those 2.
Not if his rebounding efforts remain unimpressive
But here we are looking to replace him with Jerami Grant 3.5rpg and his $130m contract.
Some are, I’m not at all interested in Grant.
Rui average 5rpg as a starter, which I think is pretty average and specially playing along side AD and Lebron who takes up a lot of rebounds.
I'd like to see Rui as the 3rd or at worst 4th option in the starting lineup. Think the best way to do that is to bring Austin off the bench for Max. Rui is more athletic and explosive than both D'lo/Austin and he really feasts on the openings that Bron and AD create. He could do damage if he was getting closer to 15 shots but he definitely needs to improve his defense and glass work. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
Rui does have problem at man to man defense. He lacks the footspeed to guard most 3s. He is usually fine against the players we stick him on because we try to avoid sticking him on players who could blow by him. Don't think that ever changes
How many 3s out there can blow by him?
Rui 2 biggest issue on defense..
-Team defense awareness
-Navigating through screens
I think he can be a plus defender if he can improve those 2.
I wouldn't trust him on any of the Celtics' starting 5. He's not physical enough to guard Gordon and can't chase MPJ. He's not gonna guard whoever you consider the 3 to be on the Mavs. He's not gonna guard Middleton.
At least a few teams where he's a defensive liability (maybe not Mavs if you put him on PJ Washington but then you ask LeBron to guard a 3)
I'd like to see Rui as the 3rd or at worst 4th option in the starting lineup. Think the best way to do that is to bring Austin off the bench for Max. Rui is more athletic and explosive than both D'lo/Austin and he really feasts on the openings that Bron and AD create. He could do damage if he was getting closer to 15 shots but he definitely needs to improve his defense and glass work.
Rui does have problem at man to man defense. He lacks the footspeed to guard most 3s. He is usually fine against the players we stick him on because we try to avoid sticking him on players who could blow by him. Don't think that ever changes
How many 3s out there can blow by him?
Rui 2 biggest issue on defense..
-Team defense awareness
-Navigating through screens
I think he can be a plus defender if he can improve those 2.
I wouldn't trust him on any of the Celtics' starting 5. He's not physical enough to guard Gordon and can't chase MPJ. He's not gonna guard whoever you consider the 3 to be on the Mavs. He's not gonna guard Middleton.
At least a few teams where he's a defensive liability (maybe not Mavs if you put him on PJ Washington but then you ask LeBron to guard a 3)
So how do you resolve your issue with him? You want to upgrade his spot? For who at what cost?
I mean we still have Vando on this team... I would prefer to get more athletic at the PG/SG spot tbh... I think the solve a bigger issue than replacing Rui.
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