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PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 8:19 pm    Post subject:

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Trade this guy for a center. He's not needed now that DFS is on the team, they need to solidify that 8 man rotation for the playoffs.


DFS isn't locking up guys like Luka and SGA who you'll need to get by in a playoff run.


The point here is have Vando be your POA defender and have DFS guard bigger wings.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 8:30 pm    Post subject:

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Trade this guy for a center. He's not needed now that DFS is on the team, they need to solidify that 8 man rotation for the playoffs.


DFS isn't locking up guys like Luka and SGA who you'll need to get by in a playoff run.

Vando isn’t either if he’s played off the floor because he can’t shoot or finish. We just had Dennis to not make use die by him being ignored which is why Dennis closed all the big games. Even to close out Memphis, Vando wasn’t out there chasing Ja as much as Dennis was because Memphis dared him to shoot, and he wasn’t closing either because Rui showed up and hit the dares

He needs to pill a Fisher and Ariza, learn to shoot while out
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 8:43 pm    Post subject:

miggz23 wrote:
manlisten wrote:
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Trade this guy for a center. He's not needed now that DFS is on the team, they need to solidify that 8 man rotation for the playoffs.


DFS isn't locking up guys like Luka and SGA who you'll need to get by in a playoff run.


The point here is have Vando be your POA defender and have DFS guard bigger wings.


This^, Max needa rest too!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 12:14 am    Post subject:

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I’m excited to see Vanderbilt play, remember when Ariza came back from his injury and he helped us win a title? I’m keeping my fingers crossed the results are similar again


Ariza came back like prime Ray Allen.

I don't see JV being capable of that with his broken-ass release. But I like your optimism.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:11 am    Post subject:

Other teams offensive players needing to deal with being defended by Max only to then be defended by Vando
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 8:24 am    Post subject:

On December 30th:
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@jovanbuha

Jarred Vanderbilt participated in non-contact portions of practice.


Now:
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@LADEig
JJ Redick says Jarred Vanderbilt’s knee issue has dissipated and he’s ramping up in his return to play program, per
@mcten 👀


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JJ Redick says Jarred Vanderbilt knee issue has dissipated has gone down and he’s ramping up for return to play. Said the progress is real.



Great news!!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 11:35 am    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
Other teams offensive players needing to deal with being defended by Max only to then be defended by Vando


Vando will be good as a backup playing situational minutes (assuming he can regain his form)

Play 10-12 minutes and just cause havoc on 2nd units. On top of defense, he’s a very good rebounder as well, including offensively. Vando is actually a better passer than Rui as well, although that’s not saying much.

Vando back means we don’t have to play Hayes as much
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 11:44 am    Post subject:

So I’m guessing 2 more weeks to ramp up before he actually plays?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 11:54 am    Post subject:

Vando would have helped slow down Amen Thompson and Jalen Green.

Which would have been enough to win that game.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 3:09 pm    Post subject:

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Vando would have helped slow down Amen Thompson and Jalen Green.

Which would have been enough to win that game.


they could have won if jj just opted to start dfs. Amen could have been limited. But yes Vando can help more.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 3:51 pm    Post subject:

Brawn13 wrote:
MJST wrote:
Other teams offensive players needing to deal with being defended by Max only to then be defended by Vando


Vando will be good as a backup playing situational minutes (assuming he can regain his form)

Play 10-12 minutes and just cause havoc on 2nd units. On top of defense, he’s a very good rebounder as well, including offensively. Vando is actually a better passer than Rui as well, although that’s not saying much.

Vando back means we don’t have to play Hayes as much

I think Vando is a good player at everything besides shooting and finishing and catching lol. For his size he can dribble a bit, can play in the short roll since he can pass pretty well. He's a good screener too from what I remember. I honestly think JJ can find ways to utilize his skillset fairly well. Obviously Rui is a much better offensive player than Vando but it feels like his skillset is kind of minimized on the Lakers besides as a 3 point marksman.

But the thing about Vando is he's so versatile defensively that as long as you have enough shooting and playmaking, you can play him on literally any lineup. Reaves/ Vando/ Rui/ LeBron/ DFS honestly works as a switchy small ball lineup, for example. I don't see him necessarily competing with DFS/ Rui because those dudes can shoot. If anything I see him as competition for Hayes/ Koloko because those are other guys who can't shoot.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 3:51 pm    Post subject:

miggz23 wrote:
So I’m guessing 2 more weeks to ramp up before he actually plays?


Optimistically
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 5:29 pm    Post subject:

Saying Vando might be back for opening night on the heels of dual foot surgeries was self serving and dishonest by our FO. But they are taking the right approach being cautious with Vando's return to play. Lower extremity injuries always take longer than you expect and often lead to related but different issues (like the knee). Even once he is back playing, he should probably ramp up slowly and take a day off here and there. If he's ready to give you two shifts the other side of the ASB, that's a win.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:09 pm    Post subject:

I'm glad that they fixed both feet instead of just fixing one so he could get back faster and letting the other potentially get worse.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:23 pm    Post subject:

tox wrote:
Brawn13 wrote:
MJST wrote:
Other teams offensive players needing to deal with being defended by Max only to then be defended by Vando


Vando will be good as a backup playing situational minutes (assuming he can regain his form)

Play 10-12 minutes and just cause havoc on 2nd units. On top of defense, he’s a very good rebounder as well, including offensively. Vando is actually a better passer than Rui as well, although that’s not saying much.

Vando back means we don’t have to play Hayes as much

I think Vando is a good player at everything besides shooting and finishing and catching lol. For his size he can dribble a bit, can play in the short roll since he can pass pretty well. He's a good screener too from what I remember. I honestly think JJ can find ways to utilize his skillset fairly well. Obviously Rui is a much better offensive player than Vando but it feels like his skillset is kind of minimized on the Lakers besides as a 3 point marksman.

But the thing about Vando is he's so versatile defensively that as long as you have enough shooting and playmaking, you can play him on literally any lineup. Reaves/ Vando/ Rui/ LeBron/ DFS honestly works as a switchy small ball lineup, for example. I don't see him necessarily competing with DFS/ Rui because those dudes can shoot. If anything I see him as competition for Hayes/ Koloko because those are other guys who can't shoot.


Yeah he's very polarizing on this board. Some remember him as the guy chasing down Curry around screens, making Ja have to get others involved and then guarding bigs well. Others are trying to deal him in any deal to get a new face on the team.

He has had enough injuries where he he doesn't have a lot of trade value to offset his long term contract so we should get used to having him. I agree with the Hayes/Koloko competition take. It's bound to spark small ball arguments but st some point its better to have his defense out there than a big. I think if we're stuck with Hayes as the backup 5 you may see Vando take most or all of his minutes.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:29 pm    Post subject:

Small ball makes WAY more sense when you have a defender/ rebounder/ PoA defender/ helper at the caliber of Vando (and to a much lesser extent, DFS). A lineup of 4 6'7-6'9 guys with 7'+ wingspans + Reaves as your smallest defender is seriously not bad for 3-4 minutes one to two shifts against opposing benches (this part is key lol)

It's way different than like, Ham's cursed Vincent/Reaves/Russell/Christie/AD abominations or even something like Reaves/Christie/Knecht/LeBron/Rui which just lacks the defensive juice.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 11:35 am    Post subject:

I just read a thing that "there's optimism" that Vando could be back within the next couple of weeks. But I also very much don't trust the source that I read it from so I won't be posting that in the injuries thread lol
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 11:45 am    Post subject:

TDRock wrote:
I just read a thing that "there's optimism" that Vando could be back within the next couple of weeks. But I also very much don't trust the source that I read it from so I won't be posting that in the injuries thread lol

So 5-6 weeks?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 12:30 pm    Post subject:

levon wrote:
TDRock wrote:
I just read a thing that "there's optimism" that Vando could be back within the next couple of weeks. But I also very much don't trust the source that I read it from so I won't be posting that in the injuries thread lol

So 5-6 weeks?


Woooow! Back within the next couple of weeks as optimism? No, that’s not good news. Optimism is a tier below expecting, it’s more hoping for the best because evidence isn’t there for reasonable belief of it happening. If the source is acurate then they let the beans spill that Vando is hurt even me than we thought and/or recovering slower. He may perhaps not be back to full strength by the end of the season.

Optimism would be good news if were that Vando has returned to on court activities and is ramping up conditioning for a return. It’s not good to only be “optimistic” at this point. It would have to be “expecting” him to be back to be good news considering how much time has been missed already.

I want to be through hoping for:
Vincent/Vando/Wood
It’s been almost a year of that false hope.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 12:52 pm    Post subject:

Vando is literally ramping up his return workouts right now, JJ said this like.. two days ago.

MJST wrote:
On December 30th:
Quote:
@jovanbuha

Jarred Vanderbilt participated in non-contact portions of practice.


Now:
Quote:
@LADEig
JJ Redick says Jarred Vanderbilt’s knee issue has dissipated and he’s ramping up in his return to play program, per
@mcten 👀


Quote:
Dan Woike
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JJ Redick says Jarred Vanderbilt knee issue has dissipated has gone down and he’s ramping up for return to play. Said the progress is real.



Great news!!!!


it is just a few posts up.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 1:23 pm    Post subject:

Will believe it when I see it. Not only does he actually have to come back and play, he has to manage to not get hurt again once he does. I'm rooting for him.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 1:30 pm    Post subject:

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Will believe it when I see it. Not only does he actually have to come back and play, he has to manage to not get hurt again once he does. I'm rooting for him.

I love Vando. He's also our last piece left from the Westbrook trade. So far we've traded Westbrook's expiring, 1 lightly protected FRP, and 3 seconds for DFS, Shake Milton, and Vanderbilt. We could've had Hield (gross) and Turner for 2 FRP. We also could've had Kyrie for a FRP or two and Reaves or Max. Jury's still out imo.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 2:06 pm    Post subject:

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Will believe it when I see it. Not only does he actually have to come back and play, he has to manage to not get hurt again once he does. I'm rooting for him.

I love Vando. He's also our last piece left from the Westbrook trade. So far we've traded Westbrook's expiring, 1 lightly protected FRP, and 3 seconds for DFS, Shake Milton, and Vanderbilt. We could've had Hield (gross) and Turner for 2 FRP. We also could've had Kyrie for a FRP or two and Reaves or Max. Jury's still out imo.


Turning the albatross of Westbrook and a first round pick for DFS and Vanderbilt isn’t so bad.. assuming Vanderbilt is healthy. When healthy Vanderbilt is an impact player.

Probably should have given multiple first round picks for Kyrie but there obviously was significant risk at the time. He was coming across as a nutcase. If it was this version of Kyrie at the time obviously might have been different. Also possible the Brooklyn owner wouldn’t have traded him to the Lakers for anything unless it was a massive massive overpay.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 2:32 pm    Post subject:

After all this, I hope he's fixed to be healthy forever. The next 30 years at least, and never again a bad foot to fret about.

Yes, and with a new clutch jump shot like Fisher's return back in the day.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 2:39 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
Vando is literally ramping up his return workouts right now, JJ said this like.. two days ago.

MJST wrote:
On December 30th:
Quote:
@jovanbuha

Jarred Vanderbilt participated in non-contact portions of practice.


Now:
Quote:
@LADEig
JJ Redick says Jarred Vanderbilt’s knee issue has dissipated and he’s ramping up in his return to play program, per
@mcten 👀


Quote:
Dan Woike
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JJ Redick says Jarred Vanderbilt knee issue has dissipated has gone down and he’s ramping up for return to play. Said the progress is real.



Great news!!!!


it is just a few posts up.


Is thisin response to my post? Because honestly Lakersfan1211 had already posted that in this thread and I posted it in the injuries thread. This thing I saw today was a new thing offering a specific "optimistic" timeline from a poster who tends to post a lot of theories and rumors hence I don't really trust it. I'm hopeful, but as my man Éomer said "do not trust a hope" lol
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