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LukaDoncic
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He got rid of his pump fake and double pump when finishing around the basket and keeps the ball up and tries to dunk and finish strong now. Also shooting the 3 better.
That pump fake and not being able to finish was weird for someone with his size. I bet JJ noticed right away from film and had him correct it.
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Vando is DPOY material. No coincidence we've looked at our best defensively when he plays. Last season as well we started turning it around when he came back. Sucks that he injured himself.
If he can hit the 3 at a good clip and stay on the court longer he's most def a DPOY candidate.
Dude is chaos in basketball form in the greatest way possible on defense. |
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Lakeshow23_
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2025 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| He looks great with his legs under him and when he's playing with confidence. Shooting the corner three well and going up strong in the paint. I'd like to see JJ increase his minutes just a tad-- played 20 tonight, should be 25 or so going forward. |
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drae
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2025 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| That corner 3 ... if he becomes a reliable 3 point threat, even just from the corner, Vando's value skyrockets |
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hype
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2025 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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| drae wrote: | | That corner 3 ... if he becomes a reliable 3 point threat, even just from the corner, Vando's value skyrockets |
Yeah, he looks extremely confident as well even when they don't fall. It was nice to hear him say that he's been working on that corner three for a few Years so it's hopefully not just a temporary mirage.
I agree though, just keep working on that three ball and be able to cleanly dunk it. Doing just those two things at an efficient level would keep him firmly in the rotation against any team unlike past Years. Defensively, he's clearly elite and will absolutely wreck havoc. |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2025 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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It was nice to see him dunking with explosiveness. Wasn't too long ago he was still struggling to do that. Glsf to see him rounding back into form!
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| I love his hustle always, but god his offense is just so very very bad. He killed us on that end just because the Celtics never once respected him from either the corner or the dunker spot and he could never make them pay. Even when Luka, Bron, and AR got him the ball when he was lurking in the dunker spot, he took so long to catch and gather and he had no faith in his ability to finish against even a smaller defender that he couldn’t wait to pass the ball back out. Gummed up our whole offense. Sigh. Vando has the potential to be such a plus player, but the question of how playable he is during the playoffs when teams really hone in on any weakness is so real. |
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LakerDYnasty72
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| mhan00 wrote: | | I love his hustle always, but god his offense is just so very very bad. He killed us on that end just because the Celtics never once respected him from either the corner or the dunker spot and he could never make them pay. Even when Luka, Bron, and AR got him the ball when he was lurking in the dunker spot, he took so long to catch and gather and he had no faith in his ability to finish against even a smaller defender that he couldn’t wait to pass the ball back out. Gummed up our whole offense. Sigh. Vando has the potential to be such a plus player, but the question of how playable he is during the playoffs when teams really hone in on any weakness is so real. |
It typically would be Rui out there, especially down the stretch. Vando, I guarantee the coach knows as we all know, is going be a situational type of player for us in the playoffs.
Rui, otoh, hits his threes with regularity, plays physical defense, but is not foul prone. The plan is that they'll balance each other. |
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He was playing out of position. Plus, he never plays 30 minutes so he wasn’t the issue tonight. No Hayes and still no Len is concerning. wtf is he even on the roster for?
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| Thing is what position can you play Vandy then? On offense he's got to be your non-shooting big. Defensively, yeah he can do more than just be a Center, he can give you some defense on the perimeter. He certainly does not anchor/rim protect the way Hayes does. It's also reps, Vandy just doesn't have the reps starting with this team. |
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lakersfan8
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | | Thing is what position can you play Vandy then? On offense he's got to be your non-shooting big. Defensively, yeah he can do more than just be a Center, he can give you some defense on the perimeter. He certainly does not anchor/rim protect the way Hayes does. It's also reps, Vandy just doesn't have the reps starting with this team. |
He is one of the reasons why I think a stretch 5 can help this team. |
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| lakersfan8 wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | | Thing is what position can you play Vandy then? On offense he's got to be your non-shooting big. Defensively, yeah he can do more than just be a Center, he can give you some defense on the perimeter. He certainly does not anchor/rim protect the way Hayes does. It's also reps, Vandy just doesn't have the reps starting with this team. |
He is one of the reasons why I think a stretch 5 can help this team. |
Problem is, there’s not many vertical + spacing threats in the league
Vando’s very good at what he does best, but the reason he got traded from Utah is that he couldn’t really play well at the 5, he’s a 1-4 defender. That’s why you kinda have to limit his minutes - you need to play a genuine big beside him, and if that big can’t shoot, you’re providing two non-spacers to the opposing team
Maybe the issue is that we used him at the 5 instead of DFS/Bron?
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He's definitely not a center 
He was lost out there. |
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PICKnPOP
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I think our non shooting guys have the right idea. Gotta play like draymon green when you catch the ball in the perimeter. Look for a shooter get em the ball and set a screen. All we really want is for the defense to stay home on him while he stands in the corner. Unfortunately, he think he can take people off the dribble and attack the basket and he looks to shoot the wide open ones far too often.
I’m ok with him shooting wide open 3’s from time to time but I’d rather he do what Jaxon Hayes does and find a shooter and set a screen. These are the moments Dalton can shine or reaves. JJ needs to talk to Vando about knowing his limitations offensively and doing what’s best for the team. After that screen he can still roll hard even if he’s not a lob threat and put himself in position to grab an offensive rebound.
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| alleyoop wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | | Thing is what position can you play Vandy then? On offense he's got to be your non-shooting big. Defensively, yeah he can do more than just be a Center, he can give you some defense on the perimeter. He certainly does not anchor/rim protect the way Hayes does. It's also reps, Vandy just doesn't have the reps starting with this team. |
He is one of the reasons why I think a stretch 5 can help this team. |
Problem is, there’s not many vertical + spacing threats in the league
Vando’s very good at what he does best, but the reason he got traded from Utah is that he couldn’t really play well at the 5, he’s a 1-4 defender. That’s why you kinda have to limit his minutes - you need to play a genuine big beside him, and if that big can’t shoot, you’re providing two non-spacers to the opposing team
Maybe the issue is that we used him at the 5 instead of DFS/Bron? |
His hustle and length is very valuable in defense and rebounding. If we have a stretch 5, then there will be enough space in the paint for Vando to cut off the ball. Like what Gordon does in Denver. It also opens the lane for LBJ too. Both vertical and spacing threats are valuable to this team. |
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Hanging from Rafters
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| danzag wrote: | He's definitely not a center
He was lost out there. |
Vando’s height is an advantage defending in space where agility is the main coveted attribute, but his agility isn’t an advantage down low where height is the main coveted attribute. Because of that…even tho he has both height/agility…Vando should only be used as a SG/SF to maximize his impact. Even then he should only be played to rest others or during specific times where a stop is critical like some end of quarters/games. He’s a 15min sort of guy. Trying to use Vando otherwise, like a starter or as a C/PF, is not a good plan.
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| Hustle good as always. But I die a little every time I see him catch the ball wide open in the paint five to eight feet from the basket and not even look to shoot. How do you not have that shot by this point in your career? That (bleep) is BASIC. |
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| mhan00 wrote: | | Hustle good as always. But I die a little every time I see him catch the ball wide open in the paint five to eight feet from the basket and not even look to shoot. How do you not have that shot by this point in your career? That (bleep) is BASIC. |
Yeah, it seems that high school was the last time he was able to score. He averaged over 28 points then. |
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| Vando is one of the most inept players on offense I’ve ever seen. It’s honestly shocking how he hasn’t added anything he can do reliably on that end of the floor given his size and athleticism and how much down time he’s had over the years while he’s been nursing injuries. How the (bleep) does he not have a reliable layup package or a baby floater five feet from the basket? People keep saying corner threes, but teams IGNORE HIM when he’s five to ten feet from the basket because he never looks to score from there because he somehow got to the NBA without any offense whatsoever. |
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| He airballed a layup tonight. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Call me crazy but how does a player get into the NBA with having zero offensive game?
Vando
Jemison
Zero offense….
And Koloko can’t dribble…
It’s the NBA |
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| mhan00 wrote: | | Vando is one of the most inept players on offense I’ve ever seen. It’s honestly shocking how he hasn’t added anything he can do reliably on that end of the floor given his size and athleticism and how much down time he’s had over the years while he’s been nursing injuries. How the (bleep) does he not have a reliable layup package or a baby floater five feet from the basket? People keep saying corner threes, but teams IGNORE HIM when he’s five to ten feet from the basket because he never looks to score from there because he somehow got to the NBA without any offense whatsoever. |
It was crazier he did not role or pop. He brought picks to Reaves and didn’t do either things. Then got Reaves trapped over and over. And when he sat for Koloko, Reaves had the lane open again as Koloko actually moved after the pick.
He was the nuggets sixth man that quarter |
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| Lakeshow23_ wrote: | | He airballed a layup tonight. |
near triple double
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| MJST wrote: | | Lakeshow23_ wrote: | | He airballed a layup tonight. |
near triple double |
And lost them the game on the countless times his guy trapped the ball later and by him blowing defensive coverages in the fourth.
Also missed a free throw late |
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Lakeshow23_ wrote: | | He airballed a layup tonight. |
near triple double |
And lost them the game |
Why? Without him the game would have been lost 10 times over.
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