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Zillethai
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| Lakeshow23_ wrote: | | He airballed a layup tonight. |
I refuse to believe that that is even possible |
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Kblo247!
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2025 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Zillethai wrote: | | Lakeshow23_ wrote: | | He airballed a layup tonight. |
I refuse to believe that that is even possible |
From the goal to almost the three point line 😂 one nugget tapped it trying to rebound, he scrambled and hit it back, Reaves bailed him out
But he was god awful out there offensively. Even watching the replays of the last quarter, his pick with no role or no pop multiple plays and Reaves getting trapped over and over was ugly. |
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Lakeshow23_
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2025 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Lakeshow23_ wrote: | | He airballed a layup tonight. |
near triple double |
And lost them the game |
Why? Without him the game would have been lost 10 times over. |
He played 24 mins and had the worst +/- on the team. |
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wolfpaclaker
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2025 3:49 am Post subject: |
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| Seems Vandy is going to be the team's backup big. Don't think they'll lean on Len once Hayes is back. |
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J.C. Smith
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2025 4:50 am Post subject: |
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| Lakeshow23_ wrote: | | He played 24 mins and had the worst +/- on the team. |
He was being asked to guard Jokic after Koloko and Len got into foul trouble. He's a +1.2 on the season. That's behind DFS, Luka, Hayes, Rui, and Austin. But ahead of everyone else on the roster.
Yeah his offense is terrible. He's a horrific finisher, and a reluctant three point shooter. But he's also shown some signs of improvement. He's shooting a career high 34.6% from three this season, albeit on low volume (1.2 per game). But he has also recently had some dunks off the dribble and on lobs. Small victories.
He's a fantastic defensive player though. And he's become a more disruptive presence this season, getting under his opponent's skin. There's value in that. |
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MJST
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:39 am Post subject: |
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | Lakeshow23_ wrote: | | He played 24 mins and had the worst +/- on the team. |
He was being asked to guard Jokic after Koloko and Len got into foul trouble. He's a +1.2 on the season. That's behind DFS, Luka, Hayes, Rui, and Austin. But ahead of everyone else on the roster.
Yeah his offense is terrible. He's a horrific finisher, and a reluctant three point shooter. But he's also shown some signs of improvement. He's shooting a career high 34.6% from three this season, albeit on low volume (1.2 per game). But he has also recently had some dunks off the dribble and on lobs. Small victories.
He's a fantastic defensive player though. And he's become a more disruptive presence this season, getting under his opponent's skin. There's value in that. |
Not just that, the past few games he's shown a tendency to have a go to that involves him getting to the basket. I think that comes with teams not expecting him to attack but he's got a few guys with it.
He got Jokic with it too and Jokic had to foul him to prevent a dunk and that was when Vando got those free throws at the end. His confidence on that end seems to be growing, and at the perfect time tbh.
I don't remember what he finished with but he had 10/7/7 last I looked during the game, which is nothing to sneeze at.
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Kblo247!
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2025 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | Lakeshow23_ wrote: | | He played 24 mins and had the worst +/- on the team. |
He was being asked to guard Jokic after Koloko and Len got into foul trouble. He's a +1.2 on the season. That's behind DFS, Luka, Hayes, Rui, and Austin. But ahead of everyone else on the roster.
Yeah his offense is terrible. He's a horrific finisher, and a reluctant three point shooter. But he's also shown some signs of improvement. He's shooting a career high 34.6% from three this season, albeit on low volume (1.2 per game). But he has also recently had some dunks off the dribble and on lobs. Small victories.
He's a fantastic defensive player though. And he's become a more disruptive presence this season, getting under his opponent's skin. There's value in that. |
Not just that, the past few games he's shown a tendency to have a go to that involves him getting to the basket. I think that comes with teams not expecting him to attack but he's got a few guys with it.
He got Jokic with it too and Jokic had to foul him to prevent a dunk and that was when Vando got those free throws at the end. His confidence on that end seems to be growing, and at the perfect time tbh.
I don't remember what he finished with but he had 10/7/7 last I looked during the game, which is nothing to sneeze at. |
It was everything to sneeze at when he on 4 straight plays for Reaves trap because he didn’t roll or pop as the picker because he’s scared to score tight. He was very bad offensively, JJ pulled him late because he was a dead zone getting them blitzed |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | Lakeshow23_ wrote: | | He played 24 mins and had the worst +/- on the team. |
He was being asked to guard Jokic after Koloko and Len got into foul trouble. He's a +1.2 on the season. That's behind DFS, Luka, Hayes, Rui, and Austin. But ahead of everyone else on the roster.
Yeah his offense is terrible. He's a horrific finisher, and a reluctant three point shooter. But he's also shown some signs of improvement. He's shooting a career high 34.6% from three this season, albeit on low volume (1.2 per game). But he has also recently had some dunks off the dribble and on lobs. Small victories.
He's a fantastic defensive player though. And he's become a more disruptive presence this season, getting under his opponent's skin. There's value in that. |
Not just that, the past few games he's shown a tendency to have a go to that involves him getting to the basket. I think that comes with teams not expecting him to attack but he's got a few guys with it.
He got Jokic with it too and Jokic had to foul him to prevent a dunk and that was when Vando got those free throws at the end. His confidence on that end seems to be growing, and at the perfect time tbh.
I don't remember what he finished with but he had 10/7/7 last I looked during the game, which is nothing to sneeze at. |
It was everything to sneeze at when he on 4 straight |
And he chased the ball out of bounds and saved it multiple times. And it was his rebounds and saving the ball that got him to get the pass to Reaves for the three to put us up 3 and his to Kieff that got him open for three that put us up by 6 and his hustle caused multiple second chance opportunities that put us into position to win the game.
9/7/7 3 steals and just 1 turnover in 24 Mins.
Leave it.
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Kblo247!
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2025 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | Lakeshow23_ wrote: | | He played 24 mins and had the worst +/- on the team. |
He was being asked to guard Jokic after Koloko and Len got into foul trouble. He's a +1.2 on the season. That's behind DFS, Luka, Hayes, Rui, and Austin. But ahead of everyone else on the roster.
Yeah his offense is terrible. He's a horrific finisher, and a reluctant three point shooter. But he's also shown some signs of improvement. He's shooting a career high 34.6% from three this season, albeit on low volume (1.2 per game). But he has also recently had some dunks off the dribble and on lobs. Small victories.
He's a fantastic defensive player though. And he's become a more disruptive presence this season, getting under his opponent's skin. There's value in that. |
Not just that, the past few games he's shown a tendency to have a go to that involves him getting to the basket. I think that comes with teams not expecting him to attack but he's got a few guys with it.
He got Jokic with it too and Jokic had to foul him to prevent a dunk and that was when Vando got those free throws at the end. His confidence on that end seems to be growing, and at the perfect time tbh.
I don't remember what he finished with but he had 10/7/7 last I looked during the game, which is nothing to sneeze at. |
It was everything to sneeze at when he on 4 straight |
And he chased the ball out of bounds and saved it multiple times. And it was his rebounds and saving the ball that got him to get the pass to Reaves for the three to put us up 3 and his to Kieff that got him open for three that put us up by 6 and his hustle caused multiple second chance opportunities that put us into position to win the game.
9/7/7 3 steals and just 1 turnover in 24 Mins.
Leave it. |
Reaves 3 was forced and hit because Vando missed a layup by 5 feet
Reaves saving him doesn’t excuse he was trash on offense |
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miggz23
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Almost every few games now he gets in some type of talking or altercation with someone... 
Seems like he is playing angry out there. |
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Dr. Laker
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| miggz23 wrote: | Almost every few games now he gets in some type of talking or altercation with someone...
Seems like he is playing angry out there. |
Teams are being "extra physical" with the Lakers - especially with LBJ out. Neither Vando nor Jemison will be punked.
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tox
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2025 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I know people love this tough guy stuff and maybe I missed the context that led him to shove Sochan. But in isolation it seemed unnecessary to me and like he was in the wrong. But again it's hard to evaluate just looking at a single play in isolation |
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| tox wrote: | | I know people love this tough guy stuff and maybe I missed the context that led him to shove Sochan. But in isolation it seemed unnecessary to me and like he was in the wrong. But again it's hard to evaluate just looking at a single play in isolation |
Scrubchan threw the ball at him.
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Kblo247!
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | tox wrote: | | I know people love this tough guy stuff and maybe I missed the context that led him to shove Sochan. But in isolation it seemed unnecessary to me and like he was in the wrong. But again it's hard to evaluate just looking at a single play in isolation |
Scrubchan threw the ball at him. |
After he fouled him with a chicken wing AND then after Vando pushed him after whistle and the play stopped
Literally Vando was an ass there and not a tough one either. Sochan should have fed him the Keyon Martin on T-Mac for running at him
Rodman was valuable and being chippy was backed by play.
Vando had 2 points, 1 rebounds, and 1 assist and was a -2
Sochan had 15
They weren’t the same at all. Rodman actually battled top guys. Vando was getting his ass bust by a guy while a g league 2 way guy has started over him and took his minutes over the past couple games.
He’s not Rodman or Draymond or Artest … he’ll not even Pat Beverly |
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tox
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2025 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | tox wrote: | | I know people love this tough guy stuff and maybe I missed the context that led him to shove Sochan. But in isolation it seemed unnecessary to me and like he was in the wrong. But again it's hard to evaluate just looking at a single play in isolation |
Scrubchan threw the ball at him. |
talk about a homer take
again I feel like unless you're there to see the context of the game, these chippy plays can come out of nowhere. I remember Kobe elbowing Artest in the throat after Artest's constant provocations. But from what we saw Vando was clearly the aggressor for reasons that were unclear to me |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2025 7:01 am Post subject: |
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Two things:
1 - Vando caused the altercation.
2 - I don't mind it at all. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2025 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| Vandy is just ensuring that teams know he is not F'ing around. He will protect our guys if/when the situation arises. Every team has to have that. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2025 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | Detroit Rodman |
without the rebounding and bball iq |
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| He’s going to be absolutely unplayable in the playoffs at this rate. He’s just a disaster on offense. |
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Zillethai
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2025 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Guy is garbage. Get him the (bleep) outta here |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2025 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Zillethai wrote: | | Guy is garbage. Get him the (bleep) outta here |
The fan base imo has been in denial about that for the last 2 years. The writing was on the wall with those DNPs in his last playoffs the year before last year. Sometimes flashes are shown but a Vando type is a luxury when all other holes are filled and should be used only for specific circumstances in limited minutes for vet min or tpMLE. He’s not capable enough to be relied upon consistently to help win games and shouldn’t take up $11m.
The return on the Westbrook trade continues to be diminished. That whole experience set the franchise back at least 3 years and cost multiple draft picks (at least 2FRPs/3SRPs).
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Match-up specific player. He's ok to have on your team at a low cost, but you don't re-sign players like this through 2028 on 8 figures per season.
Felt uneasy about that deal even at the time. I have no idea why the Lakers wanted to have him locked in THAT far into the future.
The Lakers are going to regret this contract when the Lakers are re-tooling this team and want to have as much cap space as possible. |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| mhan00 wrote: | | He’s going to be absolutely unplayable in the playoffs at this rate. He’s just a disaster on offense. |
Sadly, yep. He has no idea what to do with the basketball on offense. Can't shoot. Can't pass. Can't dribble. |
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tox
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| Japago wrote: | Match-up specific player. He's ok to have on your team at a low cost, but you don't re-sign players like this through 2028 on 8 figures per season.
Felt uneasy about that deal even at the time. I have no idea why the Lakers wanted to have him locked in THAT far into the future.
The Lakers are going to regret this contract when the Lakers are re-tooling this team and want to have as much cap space as possible. |
Kleber/Vando/Knecht is $26.5M. I'd be looking at what that + '31 can get you in this market. |
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