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1995Lakers
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| MJST wrote: | It's nice to see how many people didn't pay attention to the fact that MB didn't give any update on Vando. Just regurgitated info we already knew and then followed that with his assumptions and people ran with it like he gave a real update.
All he said was
Vando didn't get a procedure in February. We knew that because it was during the season and he was trying to come back for the Playoffs. This isn't new, and people posting it like he said off-season instead of in-season are being irresponsible.
And other than that MB just gave his own assumptions because he admittedly doesn't know anything about where the situation stands now.
Pay attention to journalists telling you they know nothing or telling you what they 'think', that means it's their opinions based on what they know and MB admittedly knew nothing, so there isn't much to take from what he said. |
Bresnahan if anything is generally a Laker optimist. I dont think he would be saying this if there were strong sentiments in the Lakers that the idiot Vanderbilt had taken care of himself. God Vanderbilt is such a disappointment. He was a mental shrimp in the playoffs and then isnt even available last year and there are now suspicions it could linger towards this year. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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Vando not being heathy for training camp and beginning of the season starting to become a pattern.
Good thing we locked him down with that extension đź‘Ť |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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I'm watching Lakers Access SportsNet and I think this is the one that aired yesterday I think this is a repeat. Anyway Bres said he doesn't feel like Jarred is going to be ready for training camp on here too. He didn't qualify or substantiate the statement he just said "...Unfortunately I'm not optimistic that he'll be ready for the preseason… You know this foot has been giving him some problems from what I've been hearing. Hopefully he's ready for opening night the regular season… But it might take him a little time to get acclimated and healthy and ready to go again".
So he's "hearing". I did some searching I didn't see any other such discussion but I will keep my eye on this I guess. |
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Denny_Russo
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| Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2024 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Another Kendrick Nunn situation? Hopefully not. He's the best defender on the team not named AD.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2024 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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The Lakers have earned the distrust with all the times they've reported stuff, only for players to be out way longer than that.
It's a situation that bears looking at for sure. |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2024 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Feels like he's been out 2 years |
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blackmamba08
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| Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 4:15 am Post subject: |
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I think he does not want to come back to playing. There is no other explanation. Its probably very nice situation where you receive lots of money for absolutely nothing. If you want to come back to the court you would do all what it takes to come back. Its obvious with him its not a case. Its sad but Lakers need to get rid of this idiot as soon as possible. Waste of time and money.
But on top of all this blame goes to our awful FO. They are to blame here for all what is happening with Lakers right now:
1 - not doing anything to improve team
2 - no Championship aspirations
3 - Players always injured
4 - Awful contracts to Lebron, Jared , and others with player options
5- Not able to bring normal Center
6 - Drafting Bronny just because he is Lebron son to try and please him
7- Hiring first time head coach with zero experience and be delusional that this roster with him is candidate for Chip.
I can go like this next 2 hours. Its just pathetic what Lakers become under Jeannie. I know Lakers probably will not be soled but I just hope that some of her brothers can take over soon and put some common sense in all this. She need to GTFO from Lakers. |
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Brawn13
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| Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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Recovery isn’t black or white. I’m sure there were a bunch of different options. Each with their own pros and cons (surgical vs non surgical etc). Also set backs are a real thing, not all timelines are met.
Lakers haven’t been very public with the rehab process. |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| pjiddy wrote: | Vando not being heathy for training camp and beginning of the season starting to become a pattern.
Good thing we locked him down with that extension đź‘Ť |
So if it’s true that he won’t be ready by training camp and regular season why were there reports of him being in trade talks?
https://lasportshub.com/posts/jj-redick-shuts-down-trade-rumors-around-one-lakers-contributor-01j2eske3mma
If this is a significant set back the team receiving him wouldn’t be allowed to get him in a trade cause of medical red flags he’s been shopped since the Jerami Grant and other rumors all summer long |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | Vando not being heathy for training camp and beginning of the season starting to become a pattern.
Good thing we locked him down with that extension đź‘Ť |
So if it’s true that he won’t be ready by training camp and regular season why were there reports of him being in trade talks?
https://lasportshub.com/posts/jj-redick-shuts-down-trade-rumors-around-one-lakers-contributor-01j2eske3mma
If this is a significant set back the team receiving him wouldn’t be allowed to get him in a trade cause of medical red flags he’s been shopped since the Jerami Grant and other rumors all summer long |
I think Brawn13's post really encapsulates the issue which is there are a lot of layers to rehab AND the Lakers aren't very forthcoming themselves, particularly (IMO) in the Pelinka era. Then the rumor mill goes crazy because people start to fill in the gaps and say that they're hearing things and then somebody else has to come out and refuse what people are hearing and it's just a mess. It would be nice if they would just say things directly themselves and then people wouldn't have to speculate. |
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Might as well opt for surgery now instead of waiting another 2 months to announce it considering how things work out with the Lakers medical. Not only do the Lakers have these injured faulkers their roster is at max 15 so they can’t even add a vet min like Osman to replace them. Mal-practice, again smgdh
Surly they didn’t just decide this today, had to be talking about it behind closed doors for at least a few days, the possibility of this with Wood and already losing Vando to start the season should have had them place more priority on Osman. Sign him to guaranteed for now to be at 16, then they can waive or trade whoever by the deadline to cut to 15. They aren’t hard capped so it is doable and would be worth it to start the season without a depleted roster. It possibly wouldn’t cost anything…or maybe a 2ndRP.. if a trade is made to create a spot.
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Big blow to the Lakers if Vanderbilt and Wood are going to be out. Watch Redick play AD 40 minutes a game because no one else can defend on the team.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:04 am Post subject: |
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Wow Vincent, Reddish, AND JHS? Talk about an embarrassment of riches. How is JJ going to pick between these 3 studs?
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| Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:37 am Post subject: |
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All the scrubs I don't care about are healthy. I want Vanderbilt in the line up. We need that!
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Wow Vincent, Reddish, AND JHS? Talk about an embarrassment of riches. How is JJ going to pick between these 3 studs? |
Vincent is the one he should pick, if he's actually able to play. He has NBA level defense and has ran some offense for a team that went deep in the playoffs. He knows how to play with a wing/big all-star combo (Butler/Bam). I would actually consider starting him if he's healthy (that's the real issue with him) and bring one of DLO/Austin off the bench.
Setting the tone defensively from day 1 needs to happen, but I don't know if Redick or the team is thinking along those lines. He also probably doesn't want to deal with the headaches Ham got trying to bring DLO/Austin off the bench. However if the coach from day 1 priorities defense, and from day 1 Vincent can bring it on that end, gain some chemistry with AD on defense, then you can make a case for bringing DLO or Austin off the bench as a 6th man. The reason it was a disaster for Ham is he kept changing his tune each 2 weeks and didn't really commit to any particular side of the ball (defense or offense). We need a steady plan and just to stick with it.
JHS/Reddish really don't belong in a NBA playoff team level rotation, they are 11th/12th man types based on recent play. JHS may be able to improve considering his age. Vincent OTOH, I think has the ability to be a 5th option defensive focused starter, allowing us to have a stronger bench with one of DLO/Austin being the leader of that 2nd unit. |
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^ I'm torn on starting Vincent. My basic logic says we should just start Vincent and Reaves, play Russell & Christie, and also have some Russell/ Reaves minutes together. It's the most synergy to getting Russell and Reaves 30 mpg while minimizing how often they play together.
But Russell/ Reaves/ Rui/ LeBron/ AD had an ORTG of 120 and a DRTG of 113 (115-116 is roughly league average), and that's playing against opposing starting groups. Dunno if that's sustainable but 113 DRTG is solid. But it's also a little hard for me to believe a lineup where AD is the only above average defender will work |
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| tox wrote: |
But Russell/ Reaves/ Rui/ LeBron/ AD had an ORTG of 120 and a DRTG of 113 (115-116 is roughly league average), and that's playing against opposing starting groups. Dunno if that's sustainable but 113 DRTG is solid. But it's also a little hard for me to believe a lineup where AD is the only above average defender will work |
Not sure where you got those numbers. Rui started occasionally but was inserted into the starting lineup for good on February 3rd. In February the Lakers DRTG was 119.8 (28th), March was 114.4 (17th) and April 113.2 (15th). That's a marked improvement month over month but still average at best and not on the level with teams that went deeper into the playoffs (Minnesota/Dallas/OKC/Denver). Dallas went from 30th in February to 6th in April. I can't fathom a world where Reaves/Russell are able to contain SGA/Edwards/Kyrie/Luka/Murray/Booker/Beal/KD/Fox on the road to the Finals. There has to be some kind of resistance defensively in the backcourt.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| So no details on his health in the press conference? |
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| defense wrote: | | So no details on his health in the press conference? |
Optimistic or good outlook, one of those but seems like best case scenario is regular season ready, def not preseason. Both feet had surgery
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| governator wrote: | | defense wrote: | | So no details on his health in the press conference? |
Optimistic or good outlook, one of those but seems like best case scenario is regular season ready, def not preseason. Both feet had surgery |
I’d be surprised if we see him before Thanksgiving.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 7:49 am Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | | So no details on his health in the press conference? |
Pelinka confirmed that Vando had surgery on both feet, so I doubt we'll see him before January or something |
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| 1995Lakers wrote: | | MJST wrote: | It's nice to see how many people didn't pay attention to the fact that MB didn't give any update on Vando. Just regurgitated info we already knew and then followed that with his assumptions and people ran with it like he gave a real update.
All he said was
Vando didn't get a procedure in February. We knew that because it was during the season and he was trying to come back for the Playoffs. This isn't new, and people posting it like he said off-season instead of in-season are being irresponsible.
And other than that MB just gave his own assumptions because he admittedly doesn't know anything about where the situation stands now.
Pay attention to journalists telling you they know nothing or telling you what they 'think', that means it's their opinions based on what they know and MB admittedly knew nothing, so there isn't much to take from what he said. |
Bresnahan if anything is generally a Laker optimist. I dont think he would be saying this if there were strong sentiments in the Lakers that the idiot Vanderbilt had taken care of himself. God Vanderbilt is such a disappointment. He was a mental shrimp in the playoffs and then isnt even available last year and there are now suspicions it could linger towards this year. |
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Rob Pelinka says Jarred Vanderbilt had two procedures — one on each foot — this offseason. He said both procedures were successful and there is “optimism” he’ll be available for the beginning of the regular season.
Pelinka says the surgery happened right after the season. Vanderbilt had a lingering bone spur on his foot and the doctor advised getting his other foot cleared up as well since he was already going to be missing several months. |
MB knew nothing and was just telling us stuff we already knew to make it sound relevant. He brought up Vando didn't get surgery in February which we already knew but didn't mention he had it right as the off-season started because he hadn't been told anything. Didn't know anything and went with buzz words around old news to make it sounds like an exclusive update of which he had none.
I keep telling ya'll look for the double talk from journalists. Then you don't get pulled into their crap.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| manlisten wrote: | | tox wrote: |
But Russell/ Reaves/ Rui/ LeBron/ AD had an ORTG of 120 and a DRTG of 113 (115-116 is roughly league average), and that's playing against opposing starting groups. Dunno if that's sustainable but 113 DRTG is solid. But it's also a little hard for me to believe a lineup where AD is the only above average defender will work |
Not sure where you got those numbers. Rui started occasionally but was inserted into the starting lineup for good on February 3rd. In February the Lakers DRTG was 119.8 (28th), March was 114.4 (17th) and April 113.2 (15th). That's a marked improvement month over month but still average at best and not on the level with teams that went deeper into the playoffs (Minnesota/Dallas/OKC/Denver). Dallas went from 30th in February to 6th in April. I can't fathom a world where Reaves/Russell are able to contain SGA/Edwards/Kyrie/Luka/Murray/Booker/Beal/KD/Fox on the road to the Finals. There has to be some kind of resistance defensively in the backcourt. |
It seems like he's citing the 5-man lineup numbers whereas you are citing the overall team numbers.
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