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| tox wrote: | | Japago wrote: | Match-up specific player. He's ok to have on your team at a low cost, but you don't re-sign players like this through 2028 on 8 figures per season.
Felt uneasy about that deal even at the time. I have no idea why the Lakers wanted to have him locked in THAT far into the future.
The Lakers are going to regret this contract when the Lakers are re-tooling this team and want to have as much cap space as possible. |
Kleber/Vando/Knecht is $26.5M. I'd be looking at what that + '31 can get you in this market. |
Moving 2 FRPs basically there better get you a player that will get you over the top. Just for reference that much assets going out got Boston BOTH White and Porzingis level starters/core players. Whatever you're left over with after you use those assets, that's basically your core the next few years around Luka and very very old Lebron.
In the framework of Williams trade we were giving up that much in terms of FRPs. So I'm not one who feels we should be giving up that much just to get a starting level big. Better to develop Knecht into a 3rd option and then you have Rui/Reaves/Knecht all capable to give you 3rd option role and you can move one or two of them (plus 2031 pick if need be) for a significant piece that can make a significant difference. Or you could move Knecht into the starting lineup next year, Reaves can go for 6MOTY. There's a lot of options in developing Knecht as well, if given time. I don't think Knecht's value hits it's premium until 1 more year. You're likely selling low on Dalton right now.
That's just my .02 I doubt Pelinka views it this way based on how he went about the trade deadline (IE Charlotte deal). I feel we'll likely explore the same trade package and may end up adding a really solid player that way. I just don't know if that's good enough to keep in contention for 2-3 years as that's mainly almost all your better assets used up. So if you make a move using that package, you better be 100% sold the team post trade is one that can win titles. |
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tox
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 5:14 am Post subject: |
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I agree, for all of our future assets I want a needle mover (and not someone like Williams). I'd also look at what Kleber/Vando/ '31 get you in the market.
But to bring the conversation back, I just feel like Vanderbilt is otherwise probably a ~12-16 min player where his full energy/ chaos can really disrupt the other team. But he's too flawed of a player to be playing more than 2-3 shifts imo |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| tox wrote: | I agree, for all of our future assets I want a needle mover (and not someone like Williams). I'd also look at what Kleber/Vando/ '31 get you in the market.
But to bring the conversation back, I just feel like Vanderbilt is otherwise probably a ~12-16 min player where his full energy/ chaos can really disrupt the other team. But he's too flawed of a player to be playing more than 2-3 shifts imo |
I love this kid, but you're right. His defense and effort are great, but his handles & jumper are not smooth or reliable. Ideally, we'd gradually replace players like Vando with better two-way players. |
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Not falling for the scapegoating nor stupidly taking him for granted. We have seen his value in far too many games and the leap he makes our defense take.
No slump changes that.
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| I'd be shocked if he plays more than 5-10 MPG in the playoffs. Can't shoot, can't finish, and a poor decision maker with the ball. Gonna have to lean on Jax/Rui/DFS heavy as our center rotation. |
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Japago
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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| tox wrote: | I agree, for all of our future assets I want a needle mover (and not someone like Williams). I'd also look at what Kleber/Vando/ '31 get you in the market.
But to bring the conversation back, I just feel like Vanderbilt is otherwise probably a ~12-16 min player where his full energy/ chaos can really disrupt the other team. But he's too flawed of a player to be playing more than 2-3 shifts imo |
Even less than that in unfavorable match-ups. In high-scoring shootouts, I straight up wouldn't play him. |
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Lakeshow23_
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2025 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Please trade |
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lakersfan8
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| Lakeshow23_ wrote: | | I'd be shocked if he plays more than 5-10 MPG in the playoffs. Can't shoot, can't finish, and a poor decision maker with the ball. Gonna have to lean on Jax/Rui/DFS heavy as our center rotation. |
He is not a center for sure |
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| Quote: | | Jarred Vanderbilt was a plus-24 in 16 scoreless minutes. |
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As always, love the hustle but he’s so (bleep) useless on O. People keep saying “corner three” like that is realistic for him as a consistent weapon. Bill said today that Vando had a chance today to get his 50th three, of his CAREER. Dude cannot shoot. I keep saying it, but It is a (bleep) crime that he apparently spends all of his time trying to develop that when just learning a much easier shot like a 5-10 foot little quick floater in the paint would be much more realistic and more useful. As of now, when teams ignore him and he flashes middle, they don’t give a (bleep) if he gets the ball because he is zero threat. So when he tries to pass it to someone else they’re getting covered or worse defenders are picking off the ball because they have zero worry about him taking or making that shot. And if he tries to take up the space and drive to the rim, the defense also doesn’t give a (bleep) because he’s infamously terrible at finishing against even weak contests.
Guys like Poetl LIVE off of that shot and it forces the defense to actually account for him. There is zero reason a guy as athletic as Vando should not be able to learn to hit that shot consistently. |
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| He is arguably our best perimeter defender. When he has that label on him, it is the coaching staff’s job to figure out a lineup that would minimise his offensive liability. |
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| lakersfan8 wrote: | | He is arguably our best perimeter defender. When he has that label on him, it is the coaching staff’s job to figure out a lineup that would minimise his offensive liability. |
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| lakersfan8 wrote: | | He is arguably our best perimeter defender. When he has that label on him, it is the coaching staff’s job to figure out a lineup that would minimise his offensive liability. |
But also not very smart. That foul after a Pacer rebound that resulted in FT's was so unneccesasary and you can see in LeBron's face that he was not happy with the foul.
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tox
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2025 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| mhan00 wrote: | As always, love the hustle but he’s so (bleep) useless on O. People keep saying “corner three” like that is realistic for him as a consistent weapon. Bill said today that Vando had a chance today to get his 50th three, of his CAREER. Dude cannot shoot. I keep saying it, but It is a (bleep) crime that he apparently spends all of his time trying to develop that when just learning a much easier shot like a 5-10 foot little quick floater in the paint would be much more realistic and more useful. As of now, when teams ignore him and he flashes middle, they don’t give a (bleep) if he gets the ball because he is zero threat. So when he tries to pass it to someone else they’re getting covered or worse defenders are picking off the ball because they have zero worry about him taking or making that shot. And if he tries to take up the space and drive to the rim, the defense also doesn’t give a (bleep) because he’s infamously terrible at finishing against even weak contests.
Guys like Poetl LIVE off of that shot and it forces the defense to actually account for him. There is zero reason a guy as athletic as Vando should not be able to learn to hit that shot consistently. |
I agree with this but Vando just seems to have no touch period and a lot of those 5-10 ft floaters require touch |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2025 4:55 am Post subject: |
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| Dammit he's on the sheet list again? |
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He's making AR money for 4 pts/5 reb in 16 minutes/game.
Admittedly, defensive impact is difficult to measure, but I'm seeing this guy as being paid 3X his actual worth.
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| He’s really hard to find consistent minutes for when he’s so bad on O. It did look like the coaching staff told him to be more aggressive looking for a shot off the pass tonight, but not so great at it so far. You love the hustle and disruption on D and would want him to be inching up to 20-25 minutes a game, but teams just cheat off of him with full confidence knowing he can’t make them pay with any kind of consistency and it is really really really hard keeping him on the floor. |
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tox
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| I was pulling my hair out when LeBron got him an open lob and he got blocked on the layup. Or did he brick the layup, I don't remember. |
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Vando is going to have negative value for some time. It's not a given he gives you more than 15-20 minutes a game for even half a season. They need to maximize what little assets they have remaining. And that means using someone like Gabe and Maxi instead for salary ballast.
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He is what he is. He's a good defender, but his lack of offense outweighs it. You can't really do 4v5 anymore on offense in today's NBA. Tony Allen and Ronnie Brewer-types just aren't seen anymore today for a reason.
He really shouldn't be making 8 figures per season on a contract taking him to 2028.
Looking forward, the Lakers need to look into getting rid of his contract before they make their free agency play in 2026 or 2027. |
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| tox wrote: | | I was pulling my hair out when LeBron got him an open lob and he got blocked on the layup. Or did he brick the layup, I don't remember. |
He did both, iirc, and on multiple occasions.
Unplayable in the playoffs. |
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He's not unplayable when his presence helps establish an effective counter to an opponent's star players (or even 2nd/3rd guys).
He needs to do more though, you can just about manage him not having an exterior shot when we have 6 others that do/can, he needs to offer some threat, at least inside.
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| Every time Lebron or Luka hits him for a corner 3, you can feel the energy in the arena get sucked out |
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6'8 and a terrible finisher with his athletic ability is something. What does he work on in the off season?
You can't shoot, ok that's fine. But at least be able to finish. I be shocked when he makes lay ups.
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | 6'8 and a terrible finisher with his athletic ability is something. What does he work on in the off season?
You can't shoot, ok that's fine. But at least be able to finish. I be shocked when he makes lay ups. |
Vandos shooting
0-3 feet = 70.6%
3-10 feet = 22%
10-16 feet = 0%
10 feet - 3pt range = N/A (none taken)
3 point range = 29%
Free throw = 58%
Percentage of dunks as shots he took this year for his offense = 25%
He’s a crash course on offense really. Especially if he sets the pick, as it just means trap Reaves, Bron, or Luka |
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