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Hanging from Rafters
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | 6'8 and a terrible finisher with his athletic ability is something. What does he work on in the off season?
You can't shoot, ok that's fine. But at least be able to finish. I be shocked when he makes lay ups. |
Vandos shooting
0-3 feet = 70.6%
3-10 feet = 22%
10-16 feet = 0%
10 feet - 3pt range = N/A (none taken)
3 point range = 29%
Free throw = 58%
Percentage of dunks as shots he took this year for his offense = 25%
He’s a crash course on offense really. Especially if he sets the pick, as it just means trap Reaves, Bron, or Luka |
I’m rooting for the Pacers to have such an abysmal post season that Turner threatens to just move on so Indy does a sign and trade to get something. That something…in a fantasy dream not unlike LBJ/Luka being on the team lol…turns into Vando/Kleber/2ndRP for Myles.
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Kblo247!
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2025 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | 6'8 and a terrible finisher with his athletic ability is something. What does he work on in the off season?
You can't shoot, ok that's fine. But at least be able to finish. I be shocked when he makes lay ups. |
Vandos shooting
0-3 feet = 70.6%
3-10 feet = 22%
10-16 feet = 0%
10 feet - 3pt range = N/A (none taken)
3 point range = 29%
Free throw = 58%
Percentage of dunks as shots he took this year for his offense = 25%
He’s a crash course on offense really. Especially if he sets the pick, as it just means trap Reaves, Bron, or Luka |
I’m rooting for the Pacers to have such an abysmal post season that Turner threatens to just move on so Indy does a sign and trade to get something. That something…in a fantasy dream not unlike LBJ/Luka being on the team lol…turns into Vando/Kleber/2ndRP for Myles. |
Right with you on Turner.
I’m honestly hoping for Turner the most. But I’ll still take Vucevic for Vando and Kleiber. As you can see the bulls have been fine with him at center. My biggest pipe would have been Bam but he costs too much. The Lakers need to find one more piece, even if it’s by hoping for some bs this postseason with Indiana or Detroit. Hell I’ll take that hot head stewart in our team too |
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lakersfan8
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2025 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | 6'8 and a terrible finisher with his athletic ability is something. What does he work on in the off season?
You can't shoot, ok that's fine. But at least be able to finish. I be shocked when he makes lay ups. |
Vandos shooting
0-3 feet = 70.6%
3-10 feet = 22%
10-16 feet = 0%
10 feet - 3pt range = N/A (none taken)
3 point range = 29%
Free throw = 58%
Percentage of dunks as shots he took this year for his offense = 25%
He’s a crash course on offense really. Especially if he sets the pick, as it just means trap Reaves, Bron, or Luka |
I’m rooting for the Pacers to have such an abysmal post season that Turner threatens to just move on so Indy does a sign and trade to get something. That something…in a fantasy dream not unlike LBJ/Luka being on the team lol…turns into Vando/Kleber/2ndRP for Myles. |
Right with you on Turner.
I’m honestly hoping for Turner the most. But I’ll still take Vucevic for Vando and Kleiber. As you can see the bulls have been fine with him at center. My biggest pipe would have been Bam but he costs too much. The Lakers need to find one more piece, even if it’s by hoping for some bs this postseason with Indiana or Detroit. Hell I’ll take that hot head stewart in our team too |
Indiana probably would rather save money than getting those salary with only 2nd round picks. Turner worths a first round pick |
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Kblo247!
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2025 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| lakersfan8 wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | 6'8 and a terrible finisher with his athletic ability is something. What does he work on in the off season?
You can't shoot, ok that's fine. But at least be able to finish. I be shocked when he makes lay ups. |
Vandos shooting
0-3 feet = 70.6%
3-10 feet = 22%
10-16 feet = 0%
10 feet - 3pt range = N/A (none taken)
3 point range = 29%
Free throw = 58%
Percentage of dunks as shots he took this year for his offense = 25%
He’s a crash course on offense really. Especially if he sets the pick, as it just means trap Reaves, Bron, or Luka |
I’m rooting for the Pacers to have such an abysmal post season that Turner threatens to just move on so Indy does a sign and trade to get something. That something…in a fantasy dream not unlike LBJ/Luka being on the team lol…turns into Vando/Kleber/2ndRP for Myles. |
Right with you on Turner.
I’m honestly hoping for Turner the most. But I’ll still take Vucevic for Vando and Kleiber. As you can see the bulls have been fine with him at center. My biggest pipe would have been Bam but he costs too much. The Lakers need to find one more piece, even if it’s by hoping for some bs this postseason with Indiana or Detroit. Hell I’ll take that hot head stewart in our team too |
Indiana probably would rather save money than getting those salary with only 2nd round picks. Turner worths a first round pick |
I would give them the Williams package for Turner without hesitation. If they take Vando and Kleiber, they can have that pick. Hell they can have Dalton too if they let us keep the seconds 😂 … Turner with Rui, AR, Luka, Bron, Gabe, DFS, and Hayes is a cheat code. We can even develop Bronny and Goodwin next year to complete that bench. |
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Hanging from Rafters
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2025 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | 6'8 and a terrible finisher with his athletic ability is something. What does he work on in the off season?
You can't shoot, ok that's fine. But at least be able to finish. I be shocked when he makes lay ups. |
Vandos shooting
0-3 feet = 70.6%
3-10 feet = 22%
10-16 feet = 0%
10 feet - 3pt range = N/A (none taken)
3 point range = 29%
Free throw = 58%
Percentage of dunks as shots he took this year for his offense = 25%
He’s a crash course on offense really. Especially if he sets the pick, as it just means trap Reaves, Bron, or Luka |
I’m rooting for the Pacers to have such an abysmal post season that Turner threatens to just move on so Indy does a sign and trade to get something. That something…in a fantasy dream not unlike LBJ/Luka being on the team lol…turns into Vando/Kleber/2ndRP for Myles. |
Right with you on Turner.
I’m honestly hoping for Turner the most. But I’ll still take Vucevic for Vando and Kleiber. As you can see the bulls have been fine with him at center. My biggest pipe would have been Bam but he costs too much. The Lakers need to find one more piece, even if it’s by hoping for some bs this postseason with Indiana or Detroit. Hell I’ll take that hot head stewart in our team too |
Indiana probably would rather save money than getting those salary with only 2nd round picks. Turner worths a first round pick |
I would give them the Williams package for Turner without hesitation. If they take Vando and Kleiber, they can have that pick. Hell they can have Dalton too if they let us keep the seconds 😂 … Turner with Rui, AR, Luka, Bron, Gabe, DFS, and Hayes is a cheat code. We can even develop Bronny and Goodwin next year to complete that bench. |
Yep!!! Vando/Kleber/Knecht = ~$26m, add the 1stRP and it’s a fair price for Indy to not lose Turner for nothing.
Turner/Hayes
LBJ
Rui/DFS/Knecht amended
AR
Luka/Gabe
Love that line up, Turner could spend limited time at PF with Hayes at C for versatility in the front court, then Luka…or LBJ…could spend limited time at SF with Gabe/AR as guards. That roster could even slot DFS at SG for even more combinations. That would be an amazing 8 man rotation!
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Better yet, add 2ndRP/Shake plus Kleber/Vando/FRP to keep Knecht.
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| Better game for Vando today. |
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Reds622
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| He should have played more tonight. He’s a curry disrupter. |
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Kblo247!
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| Reds622 wrote: | | He should have played more tonight. He’s a curry disrupter. |
No he was not and is not. Hell ham benched him completely bs the warriors because he was a lakers disrupter. It’s a reason Denis started in the game with all the money on the line and Walker got to play that series, Vando shrunk and stunk |
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| They’ve clearly told Vando to be more aggressive looking for the shot after he gets the pass. He just can’t do it so far. Utter disaster in the paint unless he’s wide open with no one near him for a second or two. Anyone closing on him means he’s going to gather the ball too late to get a clean shot. |
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It can be difficult to watch Vando try to play in this team. It's a heady group and he is more active than productive. Need him to go all out in short minutes to add max value.
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| The only thing Vando should be working on is the little push shot/floater from 5-10 feet in the paint. He isn’t a dunk through contact guy. His hands suck so he can’t gather and go quick enough to avoid a recovering d. Just work on flashing middle, catching the ball just below the ft line, and hit the easy shot. He’s tall and long, so he should be able to get that shot off no problem. |
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Lakeshow23_
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| Vando was awful in the first half but a legit game changer in the third quarter. Very impressive stuff. |
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| Broken record at this point, but so awful on offense he is barely playable. I'm sure that JJ would love to have Vando in the game for 15-25 minutes, but he's just such a non threat and active negative on offense that he just can't play. The activity and hustle are elite, but even when he's spoon fed the ball in the paint with a bit of time, he can't be relied on to score. |
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I would like him to save his dunks for fast breaks by himself. I think he needs to go for layups and use the rim as an ally. He'd have better results. You don't see Luka or AR try to dunk too often, so I think he ought to try that strategy.
His defense has been great. He's been everywhere the past few games. It is just when he gets the ball under the basket they know he's going to go right at the rim so it is a lot easier to time and stop. |
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| mhan00 wrote: | | Broken record at this point, but so awful on offense he is barely playable. I'm sure that JJ would love to have Vando in the game for 15-25 minutes, but he's just such a non threat and active negative on offense that he just can't play. The activity and hustle are elite, but even when he's spoon fed the ball in the paint with a bit of time, he can't be relied on to score. |
Yeah I mean JJ sees this and as bad as he is on offense that points to how valuable his defensive versatility is. If he wasn't at that level defensively, there's no question he'd be on the pine as much as DK is for the opposite reason. |
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Kblo247!
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| Theseus wrote: | I would like him to save his dunks for fast breaks by himself. I think he needs to go for layups and use the rim as an ally. He'd have better results. You don't see Luka or AR try to dunk too often, so I think he ought to try that strategy.
His defense has been great. He's been everywhere the past few games. It is just when he gets the ball under the basket they know he's going to go right at the rim so it is a lot easier to time and stop. |
So you saying he should learn to shoot flip shots like Shawn Marion? |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2025 2:43 am Post subject: |
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| mhan00 wrote: | | Broken record at this point, but so awful on offense he is barely playable. I'm sure that JJ would love to have Vando in the game for 15-25 minutes, but he's just such a non threat and active negative on offense that he just can't play. The activity and hustle are elite, but even when he's spoon fed the ball in the paint with a bit of time, he can't be relied on to score. |
He's being used more as a screener and roller now, I guess because opponents are putting their centers on him and Luka prefers to iso on centers.. But I wonder if JJ should just stick him in the corner.
His corner 3 might be more reliable than his finishing, which says a lot more about his finishing than it does his shooting. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2025 9:05 am Post subject: |
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| Theseus wrote: | I would like him to save his dunks for fast breaks by himself. I think he needs to go for layups and use the rim as an ally. He'd have better results. You don't see Luka or AR try to dunk too often, so I think he ought to try that strategy.
His defense has been great. He's been everywhere the past few games. It is just when he gets the ball under the basket they know he's going to go right at the rim so it is a lot easier to time and stop. |
he doesn't have the touch for a layup package |
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| tox wrote: | | Theseus wrote: | I would like him to save his dunks for fast breaks by himself. I think he needs to go for layups and use the rim as an ally. He'd have better results. You don't see Luka or AR try to dunk too often, so I think he ought to try that strategy.
His defense has been great. He's been everywhere the past few games. It is just when he gets the ball under the basket they know he's going to go right at the rim so it is a lot easier to time and stop. |
he doesn't have the touch for a layup package |
He doesnt need a deep bag. Just practice straight up layups off the back board (I cant believe im actually saying this)
Then he can practice with the off hand. He masters those 2... if he cuts more.. his offensive production will skyrocket from what it is now |
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| ^^ Also he doesnt need a "package" per say. Austin Reaves doesnt have a layup package, but hes a fantastic finisher |
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| Zillethai wrote: | | ^^ Also he doesnt need a "package" per say. Austin Reaves doesnt have a layup package, but hes a fantastic finisher |
He has this thing called coordination |
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| defense wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | | ^^ Also he doesnt need a "package" per say. Austin Reaves doesnt have a layup package, but hes a fantastic finisher |
He has this thing called coordination |
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I was wondering how Vando with his limited offensive skill set got drafted in today's NBA. 2nd round 41st pick. Is he worse than Tony Allen on offense? Maybe they saw the 3 and D potential. Then I remembered that most of these guys are head and shoulders superior athletics in high school and college that it doesn't show how awful they are until they get into the league. Save for a few minutes spurts of defensive brilliance, Vando is frustrating. And I was surprised that Austin even tried to throw him that lob, thank goodness Christie disrupted it because he most likely would have came down with it and got blocked.
Hopeful with a full season and no injuries, he can work on his shots. Just go study with Draymond |
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| lilmomo wrote: | I was wondering how Vando with his limited offensive skill set got drafted in today's NBA. 2nd round 41st pick. Is he worse than Tony Allen on offense? Maybe they saw the 3 and D potential. Then I remembered that most of these guys are head and shoulders superior athletics in high school and college that it doesn't show how awful they are until they get into the league. Save for a few minutes spurts of defensive brilliance, Vando is frustrating. And I was surprised that Austin even tried to throw him that lob, thank goodness Christie disrupted it because he most likely would have came down with it and got blocked.
Hopeful with a full season and no injuries, he can work on his shots. Just go study with Draymond |
Allen is an interesting comparison.
Here are their stats: https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?player_id2=vandeja01&player_id1=allento01&request=1&utm_id=allento01&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=bbr |
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | 6'8 and a terrible finisher with his athletic ability is something. What does he work on in the off season?
You can't shoot, ok that's fine. But at least be able to finish. I be shocked when he makes lay ups. |
Vandos shooting
0-3 feet = 70.6%
3-10 feet = 22%
10-16 feet = 0%
10 feet - 3pt range = N/A (none taken)
3 point range = 29%
Free throw = 58%
Percentage of dunks as shots he took this year for his offense = 25%
He’s a crash course on offense really. Especially if he sets the pick, as it just means trap Reaves, Bron, or Luka |
I’m rooting for the Pacers to have such an abysmal post season that Turner threatens to just move on so Indy does a sign and trade to get something. That something…in a fantasy dream not unlike LBJ/Luka being on the team lol…turns into Vando/Kleber/2ndRP for Myles. |
Right with you on Turner.
I’m honestly hoping for Turner the most. But I’ll still take Vucevic for Vando and Kleiber. As you can see the bulls have been fine with him at center. My biggest pipe would have been Bam but he costs too much. The Lakers need to find one more piece, even if it’s by hoping for some bs this postseason with Indiana or Detroit. Hell I’ll take that hot head stewart in our team too |
Defense will be brutal with Vuc starting. Probably better coming off the bench with some better defenders around him. Of course that's a (bleep) ton to pay your backup center.
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