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| vasashi17+ wrote: | | governator wrote: | | vasashi17+ wrote: | | Eindhoven wrote: | Los Angeles Lakers forward Jarred Vanderbilt has agreed on a four-year, $48 million contract extension with the franchise, Klutch Sports CEO Rich Paul and agent Erika Ruiz told @TheAthletic @Stadium. Deal is fully guaranteed with a player option in the fourth year.
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1702678649961353423 |
Dude could have made up to 16m in the first year of his extension (2024/25 season) via the new 140% extension rules, but based off the 4yr/48m reports, his contract should look like this:
2023/24: 4.7m
2024/25: 13.4m
2025/26: 14.5m
2026/27: 15.6m (player option)
= 4yr/48.2m
Since this is a 4yr extension with likely 8% annual increases instead of 5%, it would not fall into the extend-and-trade category. As a result, a 6 month no-trade clock kicks in meaning dude would be technically safe for the year in any trade since that 6 month NTC would expire past the Feb 8th trade deadline.
Also if he were traded after this trade deadline (ie after the season ends & before June 30th 2024, then he would be considered BYC in a trade and count as about 6.7m in outgoing salary for us while the trading team would see him as an incoming 13.4m (ie his new annual). As a result, if he were to be traded, it’s most likely post July 1st 2024. |
So no more trying to get under tax this season
AD, Vando, DLo, Rui, Reaves core under contract
I like it |
Actually no more getting under the tax using Vando’s deal.
We still can turn to offload DLo, Prince or Gabe after Dec 15th.
To safely remain a non-taxpayer this year (and as a result also ducking the repeater tax and setting up for a hard reboot on that status if we also successfully duck the tax next year too for the 2024/25 season), we would have to send out roughly 2-2.5m more than what we bring back.
We have to account for DLo’s unlikely 700k incentives adding to the potential tax bill at the end of the year. Also we must account for Vando’s 145k unlikely incentives.
If we’re this close to ducking the tax the last thing you need is to not offload enough salary to where those unlikely incentives turn likely and have you leak into tax territory.
Without much roster upheavel, if they trade Prince’s 4.5m for a vet min guy (~2m), we should be okay in gaining enough wiggle under the tax line to not be a taxpayer this year even if we look to sign a prorated min to the 15th spot.
Also something to note, I’m seeing others report that this would be 48m in new money, meaning it’s 4 years attached to his current expiring deal, in which case his contract would shake out like this with typical 8% annual increases for a bird player.
2024/25: 10.7m
2025/26: 11.6m
2026/27: 12.5m
2027/28: 13.5m (player option)
=4yr/48.3m
But personally I don’t believe that to be the case…I believe it’s 3yrs in new money resulting in 48m total over these next 4 years, but we should find some clarity here when more details drop (ie are there annual raises?, are there incentives included?, etc).
Imho I rather invest in defensive players like Vando to put around our franchise guy in AD than naught. Which is why it’s safe to speculate that DLo could be the guy on the outs eventually this season. |
A very well reasoned post. For whatever reason, I get the impression that it is all new money, commencing in 24-25.
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Also hey kids, the MLE is going up next year. This deal isn't even MLE now.
Even more context to how much of a value contract this year. Especially when he gets better. Forwards who defend and rebound are in high demand.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| Megaton wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | Overpay imo. I think he can be a much better fit at the 4 when Wood is at the 5, but that’s MLE money at best.
Another negotiation win for Klutch. |
So many idiots here on LG.
$12 mill per year for one of the best defenders in the league who if he develops an average jump shot, becomes one of the best role players in the league.
I swear, everytime I come back on LG, the people's IQ here keeps dropping. Not having a single idea of what a player's worth is in today's NBA. $12 mill per is not what it used to be fellas. |
None of the data or metrics support that. He's in the 57th percentile, defensively. That is slightly above average. https://craftednba.com/players/jarred-vanderbilt
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | Overpay imo. I think he can be a much better fit at the 4 when Wood is at the 5, but that’s MLE money at best.
Another negotiation win for Klutch. |
So many idiots here on LG.
$12 mill per year for one of the best defenders in the league who if he develops an average jump shot, becomes one of the best role players in the league.
I swear, everytime I come back on LG, the people's IQ here keeps dropping. Not having a single idea of what a player's worth is in today's NBA. $12 mill per is not what it used to be fellas. |
None of the data or metrics support that. He's in the 57th percentile, defensively. That is slightly above average. https://craftednba.com/players/jarred-vanderbilt |
Only if you like to pick and choose data. When Lakers acquired Vamderbilt, especially with lineups featuring him and Anthony Davis, the Lalers lead the league in Defensive Rating.
https://lebronwire.usatoday.com/lists/two-stats-show-jarred-vanderbilts-impact-on-the-lakers-defense/
Anybody that's ever been familiar with you knows that the drop off in his metrics was due to him being forced to guard bigmen back in Utah/Minnesota. Defensively against perimeter, he's one of the best in the league. And his impact was immediate when he arrived here and the Lakers suddenly became one of the best Defensive teams in the league.
Hate to break it to you, but $12 mill is nothing now in today's NBA (especially since its not even going to be MLE money next year), and he's one of the best players in the league on one side of the court, while still being very young enough to improve on his shooting on offense. And if he does, he suddenly becomes one of the best role players in the league. And at $12 mill per for the next 4 years, that's ridiculous value.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| Vando is a valuable trade chip w/a very attractive contract. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerFan1987 wrote: | | Vando is a valuable trade chip w/a very attractive contract. |
actually Rob has flexibility with this roster to address most issues the team might face, like DLo
Hopefully Vanderbilt is intently and intensely breaking down every footage of Dennis Rodman!! If he averages just 50% of what The Worm did, his contract would be a steal. Add studying Marcus Smart, plus MAKING 100 shots per day, he would be invaluable to team PLUS to AD |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Megaton wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | Overpay imo. I think he can be a much better fit at the 4 when Wood is at the 5, but that’s MLE money at best.
Another negotiation win for Klutch. |
So many idiots here on LG.
$12 mill per year for one of the best defenders in the league who if he develops an average jump shot, becomes one of the best role players in the league.
I swear, everytime I come back on LG, the people's IQ here keeps dropping. Not having a single idea of what a player's worth is in today's NBA. $12 mill per is not what it used to be fellas. |
Agreed, some Laker fans will complain about anything, watch we acquire Giannis, some people will say bad trade/signing because he can't shoot. lol |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | For those trying to say the Lakers overpaid on Vando, remember that 4/48 is below the MLE. To me, that’s a great deal and reflects his current defensive ability. If his 3pt % and finishing at the rim see even moderate improvement then the deal is a major bargain. |
https://twitter.com/Trevor_Lane/status/1702690551420571749 |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Lakersfan1211 wrote: | | Quote: | | For those trying to say the Lakers overpaid on Vando, remember that 4/48 is below the MLE. To me, that’s a great deal and reflects his current defensive ability. If his 3pt % and finishing at the rim see even moderate improvement then the deal is a major bargain. |
https://twitter.com/Trevor_Lane/status/1702690551420571749 |
Then he’ll be Scottie Pippen
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I love that they're signing guys long term and to great contracts. No more 12 guys on 1 year deals that show out and can leave in the off-season.
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| Megaton wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | I love that they're signing guys long term and to great contracts. No more 12 guys on 1 year deals that show out and can leave in the off-season. |
I'm interested to see if the Lakers will move on to signing Max Christie to an extension NOW or wait to prove himself in the NBA with rotation minutes, but at the risk of paying him more if he completely balls out? |
I am sure they don't want to make a Jordan Poole sized error.
Imagine if the Warriors had waited a season to see if Poole could replicate the previous.. had that happened THIS off-season he'd be making significantly less if he performed the same way and maybe they'd have kept him. But alas.
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Go Lakers!!!!
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| Jarred and Anthony are the defense. As long as those two are on the floor, the defense will be legit. |
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| LakerFan1987 wrote: | | Vando is a valuable trade chip w/a very attractive contract. |
This. |
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It would appear they're switching from a hoarding cap-space model to a hoarding of trade assets model. As less premier FAs enter the open market that starts to make sense. It will be interesting how the outcomes of the Lillard and Harden trade demands impact the mentality of players moving forward as they approach free agency or extension eligibility.
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People need to stop complaining about every little thing and look at what Rob pelinka is trying to do as a hole for the teamm
Defense is exceptional
Young which is what we’re actually trying to do here we’re trying to go younger may be less injuries
Potential to improve
A very tradable trade asset, if needed |
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| Polarbear wrote: | People need to stop complaining about every little thing and look at what Rob pelinka is trying to do as a hole for the teamm
Defense is exceptional
Young which is what we’re actually trying to do here we’re trying to go younger may be less injuries
Potential to improve
A very tradable trade asset, if needed |
He’s redeemed himself from the Westbrook fiasco IMO, after trading our FRPs, we’ve restocked with young players under 30 who can start, strong wing core and multiple tradable $12-18m contracts
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | Overpay imo. I think he can be a much better fit at the 4 when Wood is at the 5, but that’s MLE money at best.
Another negotiation win for Klutch. |
So many idiots here on LG.
$12 mill per year for one of the best defenders in the league who if he develops an average jump shot, becomes one of the best role players in the league.
I swear, everytime I come back on LG, the people's IQ here keeps dropping. Not having a single idea of what a player's worth is in today's NBA. $12 mill per is not what it used to be fellas. |
None of the data or metrics support that. He's in the 57th percentile, defensively. That is slightly above average. https://craftednba.com/players/jarred-vanderbilt |
Stats are for losers look with your eyes |
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Vando already way out performed his current deal. Last year and this year he is a bargain.
I thought he was already worth $10-12m player last year. So even with no improvement this coming season, he is still worth the contract. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Polarbear wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | Overpay imo. I think he can be a much better fit at the 4 when Wood is at the 5, but that’s MLE money at best.
Another negotiation win for Klutch. |
So many idiots here on LG.
$12 mill per year for one of the best defenders in the league who if he develops an average jump shot, becomes one of the best role players in the league.
I swear, everytime I come back on LG, the people's IQ here keeps dropping. Not having a single idea of what a player's worth is in today's NBA. $12 mill per is not what it used to be fellas. |
None of the data or metrics support that. He's in the 57th percentile, defensively. That is slightly above average. https://craftednba.com/players/jarred-vanderbilt |
Stats are for losers look with your eyes |
Yup he's pretty much our Draymond on this team at 40% of the cost. |
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| Megaton wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | Overpay imo. I think he can be a much better fit at the 4 when Wood is at the 5, but that’s MLE money at best.
Another negotiation win for Klutch. |
So many idiots here on LG.
$12 mill per year for one of the best defenders in the league who if he develops an average jump shot, becomes one of the best role players in the league.
I swear, everytime I come back on LG, the people's IQ here keeps dropping. Not having a single idea of what a player's worth is in today's NBA. $12 mill per is not what it used to be fellas. |
Not sure why you feel the need to berate about half the people here on LG who don't share your "superior" opinion.
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| Megaton wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | I love that they're signing guys long term and to great contracts. No more 12 guys on 1 year deals that show out and can leave in the off-season. |
I'm interested to see if the Lakers will move on to signing Max Christie to an extension NOW or wait to prove himself in the NBA with rotation minutes, but at the risk of paying him more if he completely balls out? |
Uh, it might have slipped your megamind, but MaxC is on a 2yr deal and as such ain’t extension eligible. Only the 3+ year contracts are.
https://gifdb.com/images/high/megamind-oops-reaction-1ij8hiu9isfpo57m.gif
As for why you gotta refer to fellow members here that don’t share your opinion as idiots is wild. It’s not like pjiddy stated anything that was remotely antisemitic 😜
Speaking of which, DLo & Rui aggregated make 33m. A certain “antisemitic” uncle makes 37m. Currently we about 5m away from the 1st Apron hardcap. Those 2 packaged up for unc post Jan 15th would work trade wise. And it leaves us roughly 1m from the hardcap. Sign a prorated vet min guy to the 14th spot at that time.
Our FO ain’t wanna pay a tax, but will when a “namer” is involved. Vando as a salary dump is out now, so maybe a salary bump is on the menu again.
Juss sayin…😬
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Big Game James wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | Overpay imo. I think he can be a much better fit at the 4 when Wood is at the 5, but that’s MLE money at best.
Another negotiation win for Klutch. |
So many idiots here on LG.
$12 mill per year for one of the best defenders in the league who if he develops an average jump shot, becomes one of the best role players in the league.
I swear, everytime I come back on LG, the people's IQ here keeps dropping. Not having a single idea of what a player's worth is in today's NBA. $12 mill per is not what it used to be fellas. |
Not sure why you feel the need to berate about half the people here on LG who don't share your "superior" opinion. |
This. No need to berate people who don’t share your opinion. But I agree with the signing. |
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I wanted the Lakers to extend him. I was hoping for a team friendly deal. I was thinking team friendly would be around 9M to 10M a year. He got 12M a year.
He is probably an MLE level player. Next year the MLE will start at around 13M and be around 4 years 56M for the full 4 years. So I think this deal is fine or decent.
He is 24 years old. So he still has room for some improvement. If he can hit the 3 at a better percentage then he becomes more valuable. He never really shot any 3's in games before this past season. He shot 0.1 threes a game before last season. He shot 1.2 threes a game on 32% shooting last season. So who knows how much he can improve there. He said his main goal this offseason was to become a better shooter.
I think he was a big reason for our defensive jump last season which got us into the playoffs. We had nobody to guard wings. He is very needed on our team. |
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