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Polarbear Star Player
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Nonamehero wrote: | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | Nonamehero wrote: | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | CervantesRises wrote: | Nonamehero wrote: | Polarbear wrote: | With every win Darvin ham makes this thread a little more ridiculous
Yes, the Lakers are his training ground that’s the whole idea of hiring a rookie coach. You let them cut their teeth and learn and hopefully at the end you have something.
Ham has had to deal with major injuries to his squad this whole season. I am quite sure that the front office is taking that into consideration when evaluating him.
They have played the top teams right down to overtimes this year, beaten some of them
They have climbed out of a two and 14 start and a half game behind on the play in after today |
What are you talking about.
The dude almost sub in Vander too late and cost us the game.
We are winning despite of him.
this is a good roster. We can win games.
We should have won against Minnesota.
Miinn didn’t really want to win that game. But our idiot coach gave it to them |
You are ridiculous.
How about you try enjoying a win for a change?🙄 |
He is not ridiculous. He, unlike you, gave reasons for his opinion. It’s ok to disagree but what IS ridiculous is spouting off judgements without any info to support it.
I’m for giving Ham a chance just to keep from recycling coaches. We dumped Vogel and may have gotten into a worse situation. But I’ve definitely noticed things about Ham that is concerning. I saw him hug Lebron earlier in the season during practice and thought to myself at the time that it didn’t look right. I want a coach not a buddy pal. That was reaching paranoia but still, starting too many games outclassed, coming out of halftime flat, having a pattern of continually struggling to close games, rotations, substitutions, leaving ineffective lineups in too long when it is questionable to have had the ineffective line up in the first place.
I get why some want to keep Ham, that’s my preference. I’m ok hoping he learns to get better but I don’t believe we’ll win unless he does. So it’s not ridiculous to me if some don’t have that patience. That ex Keltic coach taken a team to the finals…didn’t win…but that accomplishment an advantage on the resume. I get why others maybe interested and make no mistake…it’s NOT ridiculous. |
dude what you noticed is exactly the things I observed that gave me a gut feeling that this guy is never a championship head coach material.
and if you just watch his press conference, the way he talks is just cringe.
he doesn't seem to give any intelligent answers.
he just keep repeating he is proud of his guys, and kissing his player's ass.
I believe a coach can improve.
but he just gives me the vibe that he have no idea what he is doing.
It would really take a miracle for him to improve and even become an average NBA coach. |
Yea man, we’re on the same page. He looks like, with his game management and, sounds like with his press conferences, that he doesn’t know what the heck he’s doing. I would prefer to be wrong. Pelinka surprised me, I thought he couldn’t do what he did since he hadn’t but it turned out he could do it he just didn’t do it yet. I’m hoping Ham can surprise me too. It would be a big surprise though because I don’t see it. |
Yah but Pelinka never gave me he is a dumbass vibe.
He always gives me he is a super sharp dude who can learn fast, but he is gonna do everything he can to take care of himself first.
I always thought that the Westbrick move he did because he thought it was in his best interest to listen to Lebron at the moment.
Had he not traded for Westbrick.
And the team still sucked.
His job would be in jeopardy. |
So you’re completely glossing over the fact that he thought riding in an old folks home all star team was going to work that was Pelinka |
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Polarbear Star Player
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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Let’s keep this up it’s gonna be good for comedy
7 and 3 since the trade deadline |
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BILBJH Star Player
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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Ham did a good job tonight.
He didn't run five players into the ground and the ball movement was better.
The team shot horribly and still won.
I enjoy watching the team again. |
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Polarbear wrote: | Let’s keep this up it’s gonna be good for comedy
7 and 3 since the trade deadline |
Yeah because it’s definitely due to Ham right?
Team wins in spite of his incompetence. People like you would have kept Mike McCarthy on the Packers still. _________________ Darvin Scam: https://media.tenor.com/images/3c15249955860a4b16b59e8ae035fb75/tenor.gif |
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:10 am Post subject: |
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BILBJH wrote: | Ham did a good job tonight.
He didn't run five players into the ground and the ball movement was better.
The team shot horribly and still won.
I enjoy watching the team again. |
I watched the game tonight.
He didn’t do anything bad with the rotation made us lose.
Putting AD back in early in the 4th was really really crucial.
I am ok with him this game.
Though our turnovers are really bad still with no good offensive system for first 3 quarters.
We tighten it up in the fourth.
I am happy to eat crow if he improve upon this.
And provide more consistency to players role. |
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Polarbear Star Player
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Megaton wrote: | Polarbear wrote: | Let’s keep this up it’s gonna be good for comedy
7 and 3 since the trade deadline |
Yeah because it’s definitely due to Ham right?
Team wins in spite of his incompetence. People like you would have kept Mike McCarthy on the Packers still. |
A team does not win seven and three with two of its main stars out and an incompetent coach try again |
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Polarbear wrote: | Megaton wrote: | Polarbear wrote: | Let’s keep this up it’s gonna be good for comedy
7 and 3 since the trade deadline |
Yeah because it’s definitely due to Ham right?
Team wins in spite of his incompetence. People like you would have kept Mike McCarthy on the Packers still. |
A team does not win seven and three with two of its main stars out and an incompetent coach try again |
Uhh, yeah they can. We’re seeing it right now. _________________ Darvin Scam: https://media.tenor.com/images/3c15249955860a4b16b59e8ae035fb75/tenor.gif |
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Polarbear Star Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:39 am Post subject: |
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Nonamehero wrote: | BILBJH wrote: | Ham did a good job tonight.
He didn't run five players into the ground and the ball movement was better.
The team shot horribly and still won.
I enjoy watching the team again. |
I watched the game tonight.
He didn’t do anything bad with the rotation made us lose.
Putting AD back in early in the 4th was really really crucial.
I am ok with him this game.
Though our turnovers are really bad still with no good offensive system for first 3 quarters.
We tighten it up in the fourth.
I am happy to eat crow if he improve upon this.
And provide more consistency to players role. |
Yeah, I’m just (bleep) with ya
We should all be able to enjoy it win I think some of this have to do with lineups to whenever you keep on happening to insert different lineups. No continuity in the Lakers have got the same thing like the most different lineups in the league.
Guys finding their rules learning how to play without LeBron, which could either be a good thing or a bad thing
The team would look so much better if it had more ballhandlers though |
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Polarbear Star Player
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Megaton wrote: | Polarbear wrote: | Megaton wrote: | Polarbear wrote: | Let’s keep this up it’s gonna be good for comedy
7 and 3 since the trade deadline |
Yeah because it’s definitely due to Ham right?
Team wins in spite of his incompetence. People like you would have kept Mike McCarthy on the Packers still. |
A team does not win seven and three with two of its main stars out and an incompetent coach try again |
Uhh, yeah they can. We’re seeing it right now. |
I can see by your post that you will never admit that you’re wrong so I won’t even try just keep in mind. This is LeBron‘s team and it’s winning without LeBron those wins come from somewhere 17 points scored by what four different guys?
Coach gets credit for some of that |
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BILBJH Star Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:47 am Post subject: |
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If people can judge that Rui had bad games during this "hot" streak, why can't they do the same about Ham?
Rui finally had a decent game last night after a bunch of sh*tty ones.
Ham finally had a decent game after some bad ones.
Why has Ham earned some weird respect from you without earning it?
It's not a racism thing as one poster tried to imply.
From what I know of him, I'd be happy if he dated or married someone in my family.
I just don't want him f&cking up my basketball team.
Last night was a step in the right direction... hope it continues. |
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Polarbear Star Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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BILBJH wrote: | If people can judge that Rui had bad games during this "hot" streak, why can't they do the same about Ham?
Rui finally had a decent game last night after a bunch of sh*tty ones.
Ham finally had a decent game after some bad ones.
Why has Ham earned some weird respect from you without earning it?
It's not a racism thing as one poster tried to imply.
From what I know of him, I'd be happy if he dated or married someone in my family.
I just don't want him f&cking up my basketball team.
Last night was a step in the right direction... hope it continues. |
Because nobody is saying that Rui is an incompetent basketball player |
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BILBJH Star Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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Polarbear wrote: | BILBJH wrote: | If people can judge that Rui had bad games during this "hot" streak, why can't they do the same about Ham?
Rui finally had a decent game last night after a bunch of sh*tty ones.
Ham finally had a decent game after some bad ones.
Why has Ham earned some weird respect from you without earning it?
It's not a racism thing as one poster tried to imply.
From what I know of him, I'd be happy if he dated or married someone in my family.
I just don't want him f&cking up my basketball team.
Last night was a step in the right direction... hope it continues. |
Because nobody is saying that Rui is an incompetent basketball player |
Actually many did last week... and it was for good reason.
If we get last night Rui... he's worth a good contract... if we get the previous game's... not so much.
I never said Ham would never be a good coach... I said he wasn't making good adjustments and I didn't want him learning on the Lakers.
If we win, I have more patience... if we lose, I don't. |
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Rui seems to be as most players do needs burn to get a rhythm. Ham has the talent. He may have too much talent. How does he choose the ones to give PT to? Many on the roster are in the same boat, they have the talent how do they get PT? _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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jodeke wrote: | Rui seems to be as most players do needs burn to get a rhythm. Ham has the talent. He may have too much talent. How does he choose the ones to give PT to? Many on the roster are in the same boat, they have the talent how do they get PT? |
I'm thinking more and more about his fit on offense. He's not a good off the ball player, his sweet spot is the creative mid-range and he's not going to get many opportunities for that on a team that plays LBJ style ball where LBJ/DR create, AD occupies the paint (justifiably) and the other 3 guys preferably shoot (Beasley, Brown, Reaves) and failing that are long+effective defenders (Vando) |
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Polarbear wrote: | Nonamehero wrote: | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | Nonamehero wrote: | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | CervantesRises wrote: | Nonamehero wrote: | Polarbear wrote: | With every win Darvin ham makes this thread a little more ridiculous
Yes, the Lakers are his training ground that’s the whole idea of hiring a rookie coach. You let them cut their teeth and learn and hopefully at the end you have something.
Ham has had to deal with major injuries to his squad this whole season. I am quite sure that the front office is taking that into consideration when evaluating him.
They have played the top teams right down to overtimes this year, beaten some of them
They have climbed out of a two and 14 start and a half game behind on the play in after today |
What are you talking about.
The dude almost sub in Vander too late and cost us the game.
We are winning despite of him.
this is a good roster. We can win games.
We should have won against Minnesota.
Miinn didn’t really want to win that game. But our idiot coach gave it to them |
You are ridiculous.
How about you try enjoying a win for a change?🙄 |
He is not ridiculous. He, unlike you, gave reasons for his opinion. It’s ok to disagree but what IS ridiculous is spouting off judgements without any info to support it.
I’m for giving Ham a chance just to keep from recycling coaches. We dumped Vogel and may have gotten into a worse situation. But I’ve definitely noticed things about Ham that is concerning. I saw him hug Lebron earlier in the season during practice and thought to myself at the time that it didn’t look right. I want a coach not a buddy pal. That was reaching paranoia but still, starting too many games outclassed, coming out of halftime flat, having a pattern of continually struggling to close games, rotations, substitutions, leaving ineffective lineups in too long when it is questionable to have had the ineffective line up in the first place.
I get why some want to keep Ham, that’s my preference. I’m ok hoping he learns to get better but I don’t believe we’ll win unless he does. So it’s not ridiculous to me if some don’t have that patience. That ex Keltic coach taken a team to the finals…didn’t win…but that accomplishment an advantage on the resume. I get why others maybe interested and make no mistake…it’s NOT ridiculous. |
dude what you noticed is exactly the things I observed that gave me a gut feeling that this guy is never a championship head coach material.
and if you just watch his press conference, the way he talks is just cringe.
he doesn't seem to give any intelligent answers.
he just keep repeating he is proud of his guys, and kissing his player's ass.
I believe a coach can improve.
but he just gives me the vibe that he have no idea what he is doing.
It would really take a miracle for him to improve and even become an average NBA coach. |
Yea man, we’re on the same page. He looks like, with his game management and, sounds like with his press conferences, that he doesn’t know what the heck he’s doing. I would prefer to be wrong. Pelinka surprised me, I thought he couldn’t do what he did since he hadn’t but it turned out he could do it he just didn’t do it yet. I’m hoping Ham can surprise me too. It would be a big surprise though because I don’t see it. |
Yah but Pelinka never gave me he is a dumbass vibe.
He always gives me he is a super sharp dude who can learn fast, but he is gonna do everything he can to take care of himself first.
I always thought that the Westbrick move he did because he thought it was in his best interest to listen to Lebron at the moment.
Had he not traded for Westbrick.
And the team still sucked.
His job would be in jeopardy. |
So you’re completely glossing over the fact that he thought riding in an old folks home all star team was going to work that was Pelinka |
He probably didn't find the best trade.
since everyone was pressuring him to trade Westbrick, and GMs were ready to fleece him.
I heard that we had to give up 2 FRP to get rid of Westbrick.
no thanks lol
It was really a miracle what he did in the trade deadline.
probably took a lot of patience to get it done. |
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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Polarbear wrote: | Nonamehero wrote: | BILBJH wrote: | Ham did a good job tonight.
He didn't run five players into the ground and the ball movement was better.
The team shot horribly and still won.
I enjoy watching the team again. |
I watched the game tonight.
He didn’t do anything bad with the rotation made us lose.
Putting AD back in early in the 4th was really really crucial.
I am ok with him this game.
Though our turnovers are really bad still with no good offensive system for first 3 quarters.
We tighten it up in the fourth.
I am happy to eat crow if he improve upon this.
And provide more consistency to players role. |
Yeah, I’m just (bleep) with ya
We should all be able to enjoy it win I think some of this have to do with lineups to whenever you keep on happening to insert different lineups. No continuity in the Lakers have got the same thing like the most different lineups in the league.
Guys finding their rules learning how to play without LeBron, which could either be a good thing or a bad thing
The team would look so much better if it had more ballhandlers though |
If he can put up 2 games like this.
I would finally have hope he can improve.
not just the dude trying random stuff and see what sticks.
Though next game Dlo is probably back.
No Dlo and Dennis starting or playing extensive minutes together.
PLEASE |
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jodeke wrote: | Rui seems to be as most players do needs burn to get a rhythm. Ham has the talent. He may have too much talent. How does he choose the ones to give PT to? Many on the roster are in the same boat, they have the talent how do they get PT? |
That's the sink-or-swim nature of the NBA. As a player, you have to figure out how to be productive without a lot of playing time to get a rhythm. You have to figure out how to be productive as part of the merry crew, rather than as the stars that everything is designed for.
Ham's job is to find combinations that work against different opponents. He can't worry about who is the odd man out, because there will always be odd men out. |
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yah our meathead coach cant put together 2 good games.
I just dont believe in him. |
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Nonamehero wrote: | yah our meathead coach cant put together 2 good games.
I just dont believe in him. |
What happen? _________________ 💜💛 🏆 👀 🍖 #18!!! |
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They’re not going to fire Ham anytime soon. The Lakers were written off early are probably going to win the championship this year. |
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:13 am Post subject: |
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ThePageDude wrote: | jodeke wrote: | Rui seems to be as most players do needs burn to get a rhythm. Ham has the talent. He may have too much talent. How does he choose the ones to give PT to? Many on the roster are in the same boat, they have the talent how do they get PT? |
I'm thinking more and more about his fit on offense. He's not a good off the ball player, his sweet spot is the creative mid-range and he's not going to get many opportunities for that on a team that plays LBJ style ball where LBJ/DR create, AD occupies the paint (justifiably) and the other 3 guys preferably shoot (Beasley, Brown, Reaves) and failing that are long+effective defenders (Vando) |
This makes him a great backup for LBJ as long as DS isn't the primary ball handler for the unit. |
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The last 11 games have shown Darvin was dealt a bad hand by Pelinka and that has been corrected.
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He tightened up the rotation tonight to a 9 man rotation. I approve. |
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Nonamehero wrote: | yah our meathead coach cant put together 2 good games.
I just dont believe in him. |
Even in the face of your own ignorance
This is just comical |
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