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RusselDoeee01
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| Already commented in the main Ham post but dude isn't good... we are just deep. Will be hard for him to mess this up |
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defense
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:32 am Post subject: |
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| Let's start a better petition to ban anyone who keeps this thread open while we are winning all these games |
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Polarbear
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| RusselDoeee01 wrote: | | Already commented in the main Ham post but dude isn't good... we are just deep. Will be hard for him to mess this up |
Make sure you gloss over the fact that we were missing LeBron James and D’Angelo Russell and still winning games
Facts are hard |
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epic_
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:28 am Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | | Let's start a better petition to ban anyone who keeps this thread open while we are winning all these games |
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Nonamehero
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I was right to not be happy with Ham during last win.
cuz it was not sustainable.
he still keep running the triple guard lineup.
have inconsistent lineup.
this is end of the season.
you cant win with a russell westbrick caliber of a coach.
see you all next year when he gets fired.
if not, Lebron, you had a good career.
please dont even think about being a GM after you retire. |
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Nonamehero
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I was right to not be happy with Ham during last win.
cuz it was not sustainable.
he still keep running the triple guard lineup.
have inconsistent lineup.
this is end of the season.
you cant win with a russell westbrick caliber of a coach.
see you all next year when he gets fired.
if not, Lebron, you had a good career.
please dont even think about being a GM after you retire. |
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Lakersfan1211
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| Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Nonamehero wrote: | I was right to not be happy with Ham during last win.
cuz it was not sustainable.
he still keep running the triple guard lineup.
have inconsistent lineup.
this is end of the season.
you cant win with a russell westbrick caliber of a coach.
see you all next year when he gets fired.
if not, Lebron, you had a good career.
please dont even think about being a GM after you retire. |
It won't be next year sadly. He's staying the rest of AD/Bron's timeline. Plus Jeanie too damn cheap. |
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drae
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| Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I feel like we rotate through coaches far too often. Eventually we need to settle on a coach for at least a few years. I'm still bummed we got rid of Vogel TBH. |
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dont_be_a_wuss
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| Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| drae wrote: | | I feel like we rotate through coaches far too often. Eventually we need to settle on a coach for at least a few years. I'm still bummed we got rid of Vogel TBH. |
Not that I disagree, but should a team stick to a bad coach for a few years just for the sake of sticking with the same coach for a few years? The hardest part of investing is knowing when to cut your losses. |
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Nonamehero
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| Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Lakersfan1211 wrote: | | Nonamehero wrote: | I was right to not be happy with Ham during last win.
cuz it was not sustainable.
he still keep running the triple guard lineup.
have inconsistent lineup.
this is end of the season.
you cant win with a russell westbrick caliber of a coach.
see you all next year when he gets fired.
if not, Lebron, you had a good career.
please dont even think about being a GM after you retire. |
It won't be next year sadly. He's staying the rest of AD/Bron's timeline. Plus Jeanie too damn cheap. |
Yah I know.
Just hoping for the best.
but realistically I don't see us getting rid of him.
Actually this year it will be a curse in disguise if we barely made the playoff and made some noise in the first round because then there will be 0 reason to fire him.
but I am done with hoping now unless he is out.
and LeGM got no one to blame other than himself.
He asked for the dumb Westbrick trade.
and then the Lakers got rid of our championship coach, to get a stupid coach who is on the same mental wave length as Westbrick to manage him.
Dumb decisions after dumb decisions.
I am sure inside Meathead is sad that Westbrick is gone, he got really no one to blame on now for his stupid rotations.
Actually he and other delusional posters on this board still gonna be like OMG give him some time, Lebron is still injured, we have a new team, he is rookie coach, let him be a dumbass, it is not his fault that we lose cuz he is being a dumbass. NO WE CANNOT blame Ham. |
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Nonamehero
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| Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| drae wrote: | | I feel like we rotate through coaches far too often. Eventually we need to settle on a coach for at least a few years. I'm still bummed we got rid of Vogel TBH. |
if you got rid of a good girlfriend because you were stupid, does it mean that you need to now put up with a psycho even when you realized it? |
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drae
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| Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | drae wrote: | | I feel like we rotate through coaches far too often. Eventually we need to settle on a coach for at least a few years. I'm still bummed we got rid of Vogel TBH. |
Not that I disagree, but should a team stick to a bad coach for a few years just for the sake of sticking with the same coach for a few years? The hardest part of investing is knowing when to cut your losses. |
I really liked Vogel  Still annoyed at how he got treated. Got a rubbish roster, had outsider input from Pelinka and Rambis reportedly, and was fired a minute after the final game. I'm still incredibly annoyed at that.
Treat coaches better |
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Lakersfan1211
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| Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| drae wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | drae wrote: | | I feel like we rotate through coaches far too often. Eventually we need to settle on a coach for at least a few years. I'm still bummed we got rid of Vogel TBH. |
Not that I disagree, but should a team stick to a bad coach for a few years just for the sake of sticking with the same coach for a few years? The hardest part of investing is knowing when to cut your losses. |
I really liked Vogel Still annoyed at how he got treated. Got a rubbish roster, had outsider input from Pelinka and Rambis reportedly, and was fired a minute after the final game. I'm still incredibly annoyed at that.
Treat coaches better |
Agreed. Vogel would work well with this kind of roster, to think we were #1 seed/defensive team back in 20-21 season before the injury bug happened. |
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lakez34
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| Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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Both Vogel and Walton have been treated poorly though I think Walton deserved it. Regardless of Hams coaching style players seem to be good with him (no rumors via media about him losing the locker room, people not listening to him, etc) and we are probably going to stick with him.
I think his weird small 3 guard lineups need to go ,and if defense and grit is what he wants the roster has the parts to support it now and he should roll with them. |
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Nonamehero
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| Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:26 am Post subject: |
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| lakez34 wrote: | Both Vogel and Walton have been treated poorly though I think Walton deserved it. Regardless of Hams coaching style players seem to be good with him (no rumors via media about him losing the locker room, people not listening to him, etc) and we are probably going to stick with him.
I think his weird small 3 guard lineups need to go ,and if defense and grit is what he wants the roster has the parts to support it now and he should roll with them. |
3 guard lineup is his wet dream.
And he just won a game with it against Nurse.
The dude is not giving it up unless you put a gun on his head.
Just like he loves playing Schroder.
There is nothing wrong with playing Schroder as a bench player that is the ball handler for second unit.
But the dude is shouldn’t be in our best lineups!
But whatever Ham is gonna do meathead stuff.
At this point if you expect anything else just cuz you saw flashes of normalcy.
Then the joke is on you.
Cuz he has already proven to you he will revert to his favorite crap over and over. |
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Aeneas Hunter
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| Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:11 am Post subject: |
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It's sad that the high point of the week for some people is that we lost a game. Social media culture really messes with people's heads.
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Nonamehero
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| Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:41 am Post subject: |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | It's sad that the high point of the week for some people is that we lost a game. Social media culture really messes with people's heads. |
No one is happy.
We just want Ham gone.
It is mind blowing that people can’t see that he suck.
It was like back in the days, people defending Puke Walton.
The dude clearly sucked at coaching.
But u people who doesn’t know basketball defending him.
And it takes like him crapping the bed in Sacramento too for people to finally admit that he suck.
Vogel wasn’t even like an all world coach, I say at least he was average or a bit above average.
But it is like night and day comparing him to Walton or Ham. |
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troy
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| Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Nonamehero wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | It's sad that the high point of the week for some people is that we lost a game. Social media culture really messes with people's heads. |
No one is happy.
We just want Ham gone.
It is mind blowing that people can’t see that he suck.
It was like back in the days, people defending Puke Walton.
The dude clearly sucked at coaching.
But u people who doesn’t know basketball defending him.
And it takes like him crapping the bed in Sacramento too for people to finally admit that he suck.
Vogel wasn’t even like an all world coach, I say at least he was average or a bit above average.
But it is like night and day comparing him to Walton or Ham. |
If we don't make the play-in (which I still think is in doubt), then the conversation of how much blame Mr. Ham should be afforded will be rampant this summer. |
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| troy wrote: | | If we don't make the play-in (which I still think is in doubt), then the conversation of how much blame Mr. Ham should be afforded will be rampant this summer. |
Sure, but that's always true for a head coach. The only barometer that matters is the record. As for whether Ham is a good coach, the jury's still out. We'll be able to make a better assessment by the end of next season, assuming that Pelinka doesn't keep churning the roster.
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | troy wrote: | | If we don't make the play-in (which I still think is in doubt), then the conversation of how much blame Mr. Ham should be afforded will be rampant this summer. |
Sure, but that's always true for a head coach. The only barometer that matters is the record. As for whether Ham is a good coach, the jury's still out. We'll be able to make a better assessment by the end of next season, assuming that Pelinka doesn't keep churning the roster. |
He is clueless.
People can try it spin it how they want.
But the fact is he is clueless.
It is not complicated.
record is not the only barometer.
How you utilize the team potential and maximize its ceiling should be.
Record is depending on talent as well.
Ham is flat out not giving his team the best chance to win out there.
He is creating obstacles where it is harder for us to win. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| This guy really spent a timeout doodling on a board without discussing. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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8-3 in the last stretch... mixing in a bunch of guys.. but.. yeah, Ham suckz.
Sheesh.
Some people on here pursue understandable questioning of certain decisions/philosophies by Ham. That makes total sense.
Then you have the nutters who seem to think coaching is only the x&o's that they believe in and that coaching in the NBA is (bleep) easy.
Ham's doing better than just fine... especially once he got an actual NBA roster. |
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| SGSD32 wrote: | 8-3 in the last stretch... mixing in a bunch of guys.. but.. yeah, Ham suckz.
Sheesh.
Some people on here pursue understandable questioning of certain decisions/philosophies by Ham. That makes total sense.
Then you have the nutters who seem to think coaching is only the x&o's that they believe in and that coaching in the NBA is (bleep) easy.
Ham's doing better than just fine... especially once he got an actual NBA roster. |
Yes, we have a few nutters, but the jury is still out on Ham. I see a lot of positives, but I also see some holes in his game. I haven't been impressed with his late-game play design. Also, I sometimes think that he errs too much on the side of being a players' coach. This is especially true when it comes to Lebron, though I'll cut him some slack there. There aren't many coaches who are going to tell Lebron to knock it off with the 30 foot jumpers.
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | SGSD32 wrote: | 8-3 in the last stretch... mixing in a bunch of guys.. but.. yeah, Ham suckz.
Sheesh.
Some people on here pursue understandable questioning of certain decisions/philosophies by Ham. That makes total sense.
Then you have the nutters who seem to think coaching is only the x&o's that they believe in and that coaching in the NBA is (bleep) easy.
Ham's doing better than just fine... especially once he got an actual NBA roster. |
Yes, we have a few nutters, but the jury is still out on Ham. I see a lot of positives, but I also see some holes in his game. I haven't been impressed with his late-game play design. Also, I sometimes think that he errs too much on the side of being a players' coach. This is especially true when it comes to Lebron, though I'll cut him some slack there. There aren't many coaches who are going to tell Lebron to knock it off with the 30 foot jumpers. |
It's his first year.
I want to see how the team ends this year, first and foremost.. and go from there.
I'm not at all suggesting he's beyond questioning. I'm saying some of the questioning is beyond sanity. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | SGSD32 wrote: | 8-3 in the last stretch... mixing in a bunch of guys.. but.. yeah, Ham suckz.
Sheesh.
Some people on here pursue understandable questioning of certain decisions/philosophies by Ham. That makes total sense.
Then you have the nutters who seem to think coaching is only the x&o's that they believe in and that coaching in the NBA is (bleep) easy.
Ham's doing better than just fine... especially once he got an actual NBA roster. |
Yes, we have a few nutters, but the jury is still out on Ham. I see a lot of positives, but I also see some holes in his game. I haven't been impressed with his late-game play design. Also, I sometimes think that he errs too much on the side of being a players' coach. This is especially true when it comes to Lebron, though I'll cut him some slack there. There aren't many coaches who are going to tell Lebron to knock it off with the 30 foot jumpers. |
For me the issue isn't Ham or Pelinka, it's having THE premier franchise in the league (ok top 2 with GSW), hiring either inexperienced neophytes or undistinguished acquaintances to run it, excusing their expected stumbles for a few (often valuable/critical) years as "learning on the job", and then crowing about their "success" (I'm talking ownership here, not fans) when they finally start to make decent decisions. |
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